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Old 31-12-2016, 11:35
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Some rights sky don't get. It wasn't until recently sky got the dark knight even though itv 2 has shown it countless times
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:53
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Not counting Sky Store, which obviously costs extra, one very recent film that premiered on Film Four & has not been on Sky Cinema is Mr Turner. In fact, I think it has only been shown once so far as I am looking for a repeat to record it as missed it first time around.
Luckily it was on Amazon Prime for a year or so, so was able to watch it ad free.

Not that recent, it premiered October, 2014.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:42
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But how can big recent films like Rio, Transformers, Battleship, Iron Man 2 be on Film4? How do they get big recent blockbuster movies like these? Should the rights not be with Sky?
All of these movies have been through the first and second pay tv windows and C4 currently hold terrestrial rights so C4 can just show them on their channels as and when they can in the period they currently hold TV exclusivity. Eventually C4's terrestrial window will end and then it goes back into rotation between pay tv and eventually terrestrial again. All those films you mention above? They're a few years as someone has already said and are in their terrestrial tv window for the time being.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:03
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Sorry to go a bit off topic, but what sort of prices tend to be paid for movies by broadcasters? I assume Sky are paying a lot more than BBC1 are for movies, as they get to broadcast them earlier.
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Old 01-01-2017, 06:00
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If Film4 makes films and provide financial support, it's logical that they make money out of it. If they make money, they can invest some to acquire good film titles.
Not really a fair criticism. Sky's annual revenues top £11 billion, BBC is about £4.5 billion and Channel 4 has a paltry £900 million to to play around with.

And if you consider that Sky also has a tonne of those highy immoral gambling sites on its books also, it is a wonder how they can't make a single decent series of their own.

Could one ever imagine Sky making the likes of: Indian Summers, Humans, No Offence or Raised by Wolves ?
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:59
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Sorry to go a bit off topic, but what sort of prices tend to be paid for movies by broadcasters? I assume Sky are paying a lot more than BBC1 are for movies, as they get to broadcast them earlier.
There's no one price, Broadcasters don't buy the films individually instead they make deals with the studios & distributors to have access to all films they produce.

Generally there are several windows

6 Months after the film was released in the cinemas, the film becomes available for DVD & Digital Download release and PPV. Usually anyone wanting to provide the film as a PPV platform (Sky, Amazon, Apple, Google ..etc.) can have the film

About one year after it was released in the cinema the film then becomes available for encrypted broadcast. This is where Sky's exclusive deals kicks in

About one year after that the film becomes available to unencrypted broadcast usually in an exclusive deal

Once this contract expires then another broadcaster can pick up the film and so-on. At somepoint in the film's life the exclusive deals tend to be dropped and so the film may be shown by several broadcasters in the same contract span
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:25
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There's no one price, Broadcasters don't buy the films individually instead they make deals with the studios & distributors to have access to all films they produce.

Generally there are several windows

6 Months after the film was released in the cinemas, the film becomes available for DVD & Digital Download release and PPV. Usually anyone wanting to provide the film as a PPV platform (Sky, Amazon, Apple, Google ..etc.) can have the film

About one year after it was released in the cinema the film then becomes available for encrypted broadcast. This is where Sky's exclusive deals kicks in

About one year after that the film becomes available to unencrypted broadcast usually in an exclusive deal

Once this contract expires then another broadcaster can pick up the film and so-on. At somepoint in the film's life the exclusive deals tend to be dropped and so the film may be shown by several broadcasters in the same contract span
So where do Prime and Netflix fit into that? You can do PPV but the majority of their films are available as part of the subscription.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:41
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So where do Prime and Netflix fit into that? You can do PPV but the majority of their films are available as part of the subscription.
Amazon and Netflix also have some deals in the SVOD window like Sky and those films are exclusive to them in the SVOD window- difference also being that Amazon also offer PPV and Purchases as well whereas Netflix are a pure subscription service.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:56
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There's no one price, Broadcasters don't buy the films individually instead they make deals with the studios & distributors to have access to all films they produce.

Generally there are several windows

6 Months after the film was released in the cinemas, the film becomes available for DVD & Digital Download release and PPV. Usually anyone wanting to provide the film as a PPV platform (Sky, Amazon, Apple, Google ..etc.) can have the film

About one year after it was released in the cinema the film then becomes available for encrypted broadcast. This is where Sky's exclusive deals kicks in

About one year after that the film becomes available to unencrypted broadcast usually in an exclusive deal

Once this contract expires then another broadcaster can pick up the film and so-on. At somepoint in the film's life the exclusive deals tend to be dropped and so the film may be shown by several broadcasters in the same contract span
The normal window from cinema to DVD/download is only 16 weeks 3 days as films are generally released on Fridays and DVD/Downloads Monday. This doesn't apply to all films however as there can be seasonal adjustments and negotiated early release for some films. However much of this is facing significant changes over the coming year as studios are currently considering a two week cinema to DVD/download window with a significant increase in the price for DVD and downloads and also shortening the tradional cinema - DVD/download window. Netflix are challenging the traditional window even further as they have already had similltaneous release of their own theatrical releases with streaming such as Beasts of Nation.
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Old 04-01-2017, 05:05
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I remember when Film4 first started.
£6.99 a month I think!
I never did find anyone who subscribed to it!
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:45
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I knew of one person who subscribed.

When he stopped paying his Sky subscription, all the channels eventually went off apart from Film 4 and the Sky movie channels. He had this for a few years until a card reissue put an end to it.
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Old Yesterday, 12:28
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I remember when Film4 first started.
£6.99 a month I think!
I never did find anyone who subscribed to it!
When it was a subscription channel it was more of an Art House type channel. When it became FTA it became more mainstream, although the arty farty films can still be found, usually very late at night.
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