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Old 28-12-2016, 22:31
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Such cowards, for seven people ganging up on one person. Luckily the homeless man was unharmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38448351
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Old 28-12-2016, 22:45
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They ought to be deported back to Syria now the war is over in large parts of that country - but they will probably just be released and asked to do a few hours community service. If elderly Christian nuns can be out celebrating Christmas this year in Aleppo as they were last weekend why do these young men need to still be in Germany - the nuns didn't run away!

Of course they probably aren't really Syrian anyway - it just helped them get entry.
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Old 28-12-2016, 23:17
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Deport them?

Hang the buggers.
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Old 28-12-2016, 23:50
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I wonder how the German media will spin this.
"Kind migrants help keep homeless man warm" .
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Old 29-12-2016, 00:17
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750k people applied for asylum in Germany in the last 12 months alone (versus 40k in the UK). It would be very easy to go searching for stories involving criminal activity by asylum seekers in that scenario - 750k is more than double the population of Iceland.
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Old 29-12-2016, 00:21
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750k people applied for asylum in Germany in the last 12 months alone (versus 40k in the UK). It would be very easy to go searching for stories involving criminal activity by asylum seekers in that scenario - 750k is more than double the population of Iceland.
I am sure that knowing this is of great comfort to the homeless man in the report
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Old 29-12-2016, 00:28
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I am sure that knowing this is of great comfort to the homeless man in the report
You think he reads DS then?
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Old 29-12-2016, 00:28
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I am sure that knowing this is of great comfort to the homeless man in the report
There was a horrific story in the British press recently of a teenage German girl who was raped and murdered by a teenage asylum seeker. However it's pretty dangerous to go down this route of reporting given the sheer numbers of people in Germany - 80m citizens and asylum seekers probably into the millions. Anyone could go searching for horrible criminal acts carried out by immigrants or refugees and be able to find them given the numbers of people. This type of reportage could nearly be seen as an incitement to hatred.
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Old 29-12-2016, 00:32
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If even one crime is committed, I don't see how letting the migrants in can be a positive. The German government works for the German people, letting in people that harm Germans means they are failing.
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Old 29-12-2016, 00:47
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There was a horrific story in the British press recently of a teenage German girl who was raped and murdered by a teenage asylum seeker. However it's pretty dangerous to go down this route of reporting given the sheer numbers of people in Germany - 80m citizens and asylum seekers probably into the millions. Anyone could go searching for horrible criminal acts carried out by immigrants or refugees and be able to find them given the numbers of people. This type of reportage could nearly be seen as an incitement to hatred.
Which begs the question, if they weren't allowed into Germany in the first place, there wouldn't have been such crimes committed. Just because there are many asylum seekers, should German citizens just accept crimes will be committed by asylum seekers. I surely don't think so, and if they were so desperate for a safe place, then why are they committing such crimes?

It's obvious, that they were bad people in Syria to begin with, and now they are in Germany. What needs to be done, is either sites or shelters where they aren't allowed offsite, or not let them in.
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Old 29-12-2016, 00:55
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Which begs the question, if they weren't allowed into Germany in the first place, there wouldn't have been such crimes committed. Just because there are many asylum seekers, should German citizens just accept crimes will be committed by asylum seekers. I surely don't think so, and if they were so desperate for a safe place, then why are they committing such crimes?

It's obvious, that they were bad people in Syria to begin with, and now they are in Germany. What needs to be done, is either sites or shelters where they aren't allowed offsite, or not let them in.
They were allowed in in the middle of a humanitarian crisis and after literally millions of refugees / migrants had entered the EU.

Given the numbers involved, it's hardly a surprise that there would be rotten apples or criminals among their ranks. There's no rule that says that only decent law abiding citizens are refugees or migrants. If one million British people went abroad seeking asylum or sanctuary, you can be sure there would be some criminals or troublemakers among them.
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Old 29-12-2016, 01:06
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They were allowed in in the middle of a humanitarian crisis and after literally millions of refugees / migrants had entered the EU.

Given the numbers involved, it's hardly a surprise that there would be rotten apples or criminals among their ranks. There's no rule that says that only decent law abiding citizens are refugees or migrants. If one million British people went abroad seeking asylum or sanctuary, you can be sure there would be some criminals or troublemakers among them.
Which is why they should either be kept at sites, where they can't go offsite or not be allowed in, they either accept that fact or not claim asylum.
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Old 29-12-2016, 01:14
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Which is why they should either be kept at sites, where they can't go offsite or not be allowed in, they either accept that fact or not claim asylum.
The way things panned out last year was an almighty mess or even shambles. Tens of thousands of refugees / migrants traipsing across Europe on foot for weeks and then ending up at the German and Austrian border. I'm sure lessons were learned though and it's unlikely we'll ever see anything like that inside the EU again.
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Old 29-12-2016, 01:17
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I wonder how the German media will spin this.
"Kind migrants help keep homeless man warm" .

LOL

Toasty warm.
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Old 29-12-2016, 01:26
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Which is why they should either be kept at sites, where they can't go offsite or not be allowed in, they either accept that fact or not claim asylum.
Numerous homeless people are viscously attacked in this country by British people...

TWO Newport teenagers face being locked up after a jury found them guilty of an attack on a homeless man.

The 17-year-old and 15-year-old boys were found not guilty of attempted murder, but guilty of grievous bodily harm with intent on homeless man Vladimirs Kazlausks, 54, following a trial at Cardiff Crown Court.
Attacking Homeless people appears to be part of British cutlture are you suggesting British citizens especially teenagers should be rounded up and held in dentention as they are likely to attack homeless people.
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Old 29-12-2016, 02:25
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Numerous homeless people are viscously attacked in this country by British people...



Attacking Homeless people appears to be part of British cutlture are you suggesting British citizens especially teenagers should be rounded up and held in dentention as they are likely to attack homeless people.
Or alternatively we already have some bad people living here - so let's just import a few more.

We don't have a choice about these British citizens living here - Germany does in relation to these seven men. Germany gave them a safe place to live and they have thrown that back in Germany's face. They should be deported back to Syria immediately - if it's safe enough for elderly nuns in Aleppo it should be perfectly fine for young men in their 20s in Damascus. The civil war is effectively over in large parts of the country anyway - a ceasefire is imminent as the Assad and Russian forces have effectively won

Frankly all the other single young male Syrians in Europe should now be sent home and the limited number of elderly, women and actual children along with their fathers only allowed to stay. These young men should be fighting to protect their country from ISIS not living it up in Germany.
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Old 29-12-2016, 02:33
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Which begs the question, if they weren't allowed into Germany in the first place, there wouldn't have been such crimes committed. Just because there are many asylum seekers, should German citizens just accept crimes will be committed by asylum seekers. I surely don't think so, and if they were so desperate for a safe place, then why are they committing such crimes?

It's obvious, that they were bad people in Syria to begin with, and now they are in Germany. What needs to be done, is either sites or shelters where they aren't allowed offsite, or not let them in.
Well there may well have been but somewhere else. Thousands of immigrants have entered Europe by boat. They will be settled somewhere - I'm sure most of them are law abiding and relieved/thankful/grateful to be away from whatever danger/hardship they were fleeing. As others have said - there are bad people/criminals etc. everywhere in the world.
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Old 29-12-2016, 04:28
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The media has started changing its tune as early as late 2015 in many cases. New Year's Eve events in Cologne did the rest in that regard. Merkel and her government worked to make major adjustments, some of which the Social Democrats in the coalition weren't thrilled about and the same was true the other way around. There was also a lot of infighting within Merkel's own coalition of CDU and CSU. All in all, there have been major efforts made to get this crisis under control, that includes agreements to be able to send people back whose asylum claim has been denied, etc.

What many people don't seem to realise is that the civil services were not prepared to deal with this situation better and quicker, because of years of being understaffed and budgets being cut.

Having to constantly wrestle with other EU member states about how they'd be willing to help, if at all, didn't make things easier either.

What many politicians tried to do by making statements that may have seemed like "playing down" the issues and condemning every criticism was mostly an attempt to avoid further unrest and racially motivated crimes, etc. Many of these statements have been rather unfortunate, in my opinion. Personally, I think that was the biggest actual mistake Merkel and her government coalition as well as the Greens have made. Helping during a humanitarian crisis was not the mistake. The mistake was not properly responding to the concerns, fears, and criticism of the people, and not communicating things in a more factual, more honest way. Yes, for the safety of the refugees and asylum seekers and the safety of the citizens, controls and registration should have been in place much quicker than they were, but again, that was due to the federal police having had their staff reduced and budgets cut for many years before, and the other civil services being overwhelmed, too. Considering all that, Germany actually managed sort of well.

Now as for the original topic of this thread: What a horrible crime indeed, and the perpetrators will hopefully get punished for it accordingly. A string of things like that have been going through the media recently, and many problems have been laid bare. Obviously, as has been said here already, with the amount of people that came in, you'll very likely have a certain amount of horrible people coming in, too. However, that argument alone, along with some of the other unfortunate statements that some political figures have made, are no longer going to fly, which is why Merkel and her government coalition have, like I stated earlier, already started to move towards a tougher stance quite some time ago.
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Old 29-12-2016, 08:31
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A gang of white British youths set fire to and killed a rough sleeper near where I live a couple of years ago.
Their residence status, ethnicity and nationality were of no bearing to the poor sod who died. Or to any of the news organisations who reported it.
That is how it should be.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:11
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Deport them?

Hang the buggers.
Set fire to them
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:17
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This post could easily be regarded as incitement to racial hatred or incitement to murder. Both of which are illegal. Your post has been reported to the mods and they will decide whether to report it to the police or not.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:34
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If even one crime is committed, I don't see how letting the migrants in can be a positive. The German government works for the German people, letting in people that harm Germans means they are failing.
Which begs the question, if they weren't allowed into Germany in the first place, there wouldn't have been such crimes committed. Just because there are many asylum seekers, should German citizens just accept crimes will be committed by asylum seekers. I surely don't think so, and if they were so desperate for a safe place, then why are they committing such crimes?

It's obvious, that they were bad people in Syria to begin with, and now they are in Germany. What needs to be done, is either sites or shelters where they aren't allowed offsite, or not let them in.
These are just incredibly absurd and stupid arguments. Barrel scraping.

It's the equivalent of saying people living longer means criminals live longer, this means there'll be more crime so living longer is bad.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:43
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This post could easily be regarded as incitement to racial hatred or incitement to murder. Both of which are illegal. Your post has been reported to the mods and they will decide whether to report it to the police or not.
Well as I haven't said set fire to them because of their nationality nor race, methinks not, merely an eye for an eye, old testament style.

They are given sanctuary and this is what they do, sorry but I stand by what I said, especially as we both know that setting fire to someone and letting them die is different to setting fire to someone and putting the flames out, quickly

Feel free to report me, shame you feel nothing for the victim.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:48
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Well as I haven't said set fire to them because of their nationality nor race, methinks not, merely an eye for an eye, old testament style.

They are given sanctuary and this is what they do, sorry but I stand by what I said, especially as we both know that setting fire to someone and letting them die is different to setting fire to someone and putting the flames out, quickly

Feel free to report me, shame you feel nothing for the victim.
Your post could be construed as incitement - just need to be careful what you post online sometimes.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:52
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These are just incredibly absurd and stupid arguments. Barrel scraping.

It's the equivalent of saying people living longer means criminals live longer, this means there'll be more crime so living longer is bad.
It's the stupidity of allowing over 1 million single young men to enter your country with absolutely no checks as Merkel did.

Because at least three quarters of the 'refugees' she allowed in were single young men in their 20s - and many weren't even Syrian at all but used that crisis to game the system.

Surely the priority for refugee status should be the elderly, young children, women and if applicable their husbands and fathers in refugee camps. Single young men of fighting age who should be fighting and protecting the weak at home should be last in the queue not the first and frankly the Syrians should now be deported back to Syria as the civil war is over in much of the country. Elderly nuns in Aleppo didn't cut and run - if it's safe for them now why not these men.

It was an utterly stupid policy by Merkel - and the wrong people were helped. And now it seems whatever they do they will be in Germany for life - even of the war in Syria ends. The German police are useless as recent events in Berlin showed.
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