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Old 29-12-2016, 09:55
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Your post could be construed as incitement - just need to be careful what you post online sometimes.
Somebody said hang them, is that incitement?
I thought some would be intelligent enough get the difference between making someone pay for their wrongdoing as opposed to inciting violence against innocent people based on their religion/race/ethnicity.

But you're right don't assume everyone is on the level.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:12
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The hand wringing, bleeding hearts will always find a way of defending and justifying this situation, then wonder why the referendum result was to leave this shambles.

I don't care where someone was born, if they commit acts of violence they need to be taken off the streets, no excuses for them. In this case deportation is justified, unfortunately we are stuck with our own criminals, I would be happy to boot them out and swap them with a law abiding person wherever they are from.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:18
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There was a horrific story in the British press recently of a teenage German girl who was raped and murdered by a teenage asylum seeker. However it's pretty dangerous to go down this route of reporting given the sheer numbers of people in Germany - 80m citizens and asylum seekers probably into the millions. Anyone could go searching for horrible criminal acts carried out by immigrants or refugees and be able to find them given the numbers of people. This type of reportage could nearly be seen as an incitement to hatred.
That's just it. Letting in so many so-called asylum seekers can only lead to more crime. I get that most of them are law-abiding and that there are European criminals but inviting all and sundry leads to even more criminals and a lot more work for the Police.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:40
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Asylum Seekers In Germany Set On Fire Homeless Man

Such cowards, for seven people ganging up on one person. Luckily the homeless man was unharmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38448351
Odd I do not remember you posting about the attacks including setting on fire of homeless people in the UK this year by UK nationals. Is it the attack on the homeless person that concerns you or just that the attackers were asylum seekers.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:44
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Odd I do not remember you posting about the attacks including setting on fire of homeless people in the UK this year by UK nationals. Is it the attack on the homeless person that concerns you or just that the attackers were asylum seekers.
The difference is the latter were imported - and didn't have to be there.

We have enough low life - we don't need to import more potential risks with out proper checks at all. When 75 to 80 per cent of said 'asylum seekers' are single young men aged 18 to 35 we are in reality talking about economic migrants - although you could use a slightly less polite term for young men of fighting age who should have been fighting and protecting their elderly parents and grandparents not fleeing to Germany.
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:31
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The difference is the latter were imported - and didn't have to be there.

We have enough low life - we don't need to import more potential risks with out proper checks at all. When 75 to 80 per cent of said 'asylum seekers' are single young men aged 18 to 35 we are in reality talking about economic migrants - although you could use a slightly less polite term for young men of fighting age who should have been fighting and protecting their elderly parents and grandparents not fleeing to Germany.
2015 EU 28 nations
Total asylum seekers 1,322,825 of which 547,915 males aged 18 to 34. That is 41%.

2015 Germany
Total asylum seekers 476,510 of which 180,105 males aged 18 to 34. That is 38%

http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/...ppctza&lang=en
http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/...TableAction.do
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:44
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...young men of fighting age who should have been fighting and protecting their elderly parents and grandparents not fleeing to Germany.
Ah, that old chestnut again! Why do people assume that the vast majority of young men anywhere would take up arms and die, because lets face it that's what they'd mostly do, caught between their own murderous government and hard-line nutters intent on stirring up religious genocide?

Some people see war through the rose tinted spectacles of 1939-45 and fighting them on the beaches then imagine themselves in hero mode rather than grinding, bowel emptying terror and essentially trying to keep your head down and not die.
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:54
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This post could easily be regarded as incitement to racial hatred or incitement to murder. Both of which are illegal. Your post has been reported to the mods and they will decide whether to report it to the police or not.
A bit of an over reaction wouldn't you say.

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Old 29-12-2016, 12:59
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2015 EU 28 nations
Total asylum seekers 1,322,825 of which 547,915 males aged 18 to 34. That is 41%.

2015 Germany
Total asylum seekers 476,510 of which 180,105 males aged 18 to 34. That is 38%

http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/...ppctza&lang=en
http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/...TableAction.do
I don't think the Germans really know the numbers. 130,000 people just disappeared - they even ' lost' 9,000 children.

Sorry if I seem a little sceptical of the official stats! Most other sources put the number of refugees arriving in Germany at well over 1 million even up to 1.3 million - where did the other 600,000 plus disappear to in the official 'EU' numbers. More than half had no papers so they have no idea where in the Middle East or Africa they came from.

Frankly until there are no elderly, women and young children stuck in refugee camps in Syria we shouldn't be prioritising any single young men at all for entry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...many-may-have/


https://www.rt.com/news/333684-germa...appear-report/
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:08
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Ah, that old chestnut again! Why do people assume that the vast majority of young men anywhere would take up arms and die, because lets face it that's what they'd mostly do, caught between their own murderous government and hard-line nutters intent on stirring up religious genocide?

Some people see war through the rose tinted spectacles of 1939-45 and fighting them on the beaches then imagine themselves in hero mode rather than grinding, bowel emptying terror and essentially trying to keep your head down and not die.
No one said war was pleasant.

But I would like to think If my elderly parents or grandparents or sister or family members were at risk in a war zone or refugee camp I wouldn't run off and abandon them. That's of course assuming they all came from Syria or Afghanistan rather than were just economic migrants taking advantage of Merkel's generosity - a policy which she now seems to be backing away from on a daily basis,

And when it comes to the crunch why are we letting in any single men when the elderly, sick, women and kids should be first in the queue.

Seems a ceasefire has now been agreed in Syria between Assad and the rebels brokered by Russia and Turkey - one might ask where were Boris and Kerry. So These men should now return home - and work to defeat ISIS once and for all.
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Old 29-12-2016, 14:53
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Somebody said hang them, is that incitement?
I thought some would be intelligent enough get the difference between making someone pay for their wrongdoing as opposed to inciting violence against innocent people based on their religion/race/ethnicity.

But you're right don't assume everyone is on the level.
You're the one who called for them to be set on fire. In this country, and in Germany, people pay for their wrongdoing by going to jail, we do not encourage mobs to set fire to people in revenge.
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Old 29-12-2016, 15:21
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No one said war was pleasant.

But I would like to think If my elderly parents or grandparents or sister or family members were at risk in a war zone or refugee camp I wouldn't run off and abandon them. That's of course assuming they all came from Syria or Afghanistan rather than were just economic migrants taking advantage of Merkel's generosity - a policy which she now seems to be backing away from on a daily basis,

And when it comes to the crunch why are we letting in any single men when the elderly, sick, women and kids should be first in the queue.

Seems a ceasefire has now been agreed in Syria between Assad and the rebels brokered by Russia and Turkey - one might ask where were Boris and Kerry. So These men should now return home - and work to defeat ISIS once and for all.
If your family was "safe" in a refugee camp but unable to support themselves would you leaving some of your menfolk with the women, children, elderly embark on the ardours and dangerous journey to Europe. In the hope of being able to find a new home and work to send money to them and be able to send for them so that they could come to Europe safely and join you. Or would you go as a group knowing that the elderly, young and women are the most likely not to survive the journey or to come to harm on route. Upon reaching Europe would you leave any women, children, elderly at the first western European nation willing to accept them as refugees and provide for them or would you have them continue with you until you could find a new home for you all.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:04
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You're the one who called for them to be set on fire. In this country, and in Germany, people pay for their wrongdoing by going to jail, we do not encourage mobs to set fire to people in revenge.
You will also find that people pay if they go around libelling people regarding racial hatred
Especially when they have no idea or experience re what they're prattling on about
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:12
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If they were German nationals I would say they need to go to prison, as they are not I would say why should the German tax payer pay to put them on trial and then in prison, there is no excuse for what they did so they should be immediately deported , they bit the hand that was feeding them basically so they no longer deserve any help.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:31
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If they were German nationals I would say they need to go to prison, as they are not I would say why should the German tax payer pay to put them on trial and then in prison, there is no excuse for what they did so they should be immediately deported , they bit the hand that was feeding them basically so they no longer deserve any help.
If a asylum seeker set me on fire I would want them sent to prison for a long time not just deported. Well depending on extent of injuries I suffered I might want them set on fire but that would be illegal to do.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:35
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If a asylum seeker set me on fire I would want them sent to prison for a long time not just deported. Well depending on extent of injuries I suffered I might want them set on fire but that would be illegal to do.
Sending them to prison would cost a lot of money - tens of thousands of euros per year per person. Not a good use of German taxpayers money.

Far better to deport them - a one way flight to Damascus is a lot cheaper too. Then they won't be able to set any more Germans on fire.

I expect we will just find out they have been let off with community service.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:37
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I wonder how the German media will spin this.
"Kind migrants help keep homeless man warm" .
Probably!
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:46
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There was a horrific story in the British press recently of a teenage German girl who was raped and murdered by a teenage asylum seeker. However it's pretty dangerous to go down this route of reporting given the sheer numbers of people in Germany - 80m citizens and asylum seekers probably into the millions. Anyone could go searching for horrible criminal acts carried out by immigrants or refugees and be able to find them given the numbers of people. This type of reportage could nearly be seen as an incitement to hatred.
Are you implying that these crimes shouldn't be reported?
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:47
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Ah, that old chestnut again! Why do people assume that the vast majority of young men anywhere would take up arms and die, because lets face it that's what they'd mostly do, caught between their own murderous government and hard-line nutters intent on stirring up religious genocide?
ie.

They're happy to leave the very young, their grannies and mothers and sisters
to be trapped beteen murderous government and hard line nutters so long as their own hides are saved. They cannot call themselves men.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:52
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There was a horrific story in the British press recently of a teenage German girl who was raped and murdered by a teenage asylum seeker. However it's pretty dangerous to go down this route of reporting given the sheer numbers of people in Germany - 80m citizens and asylum seekers probably into the millions. Anyone could go searching for horrible criminal acts carried out by immigrants or refugees and be able to find them given the numbers of people. This type of reportage could nearly be seen as an incitement to hatred.
Ah yes! The other great story in the British press recently was a report how Gorka, the Spanish star, was beaten up in Blackpool. "Welcome to post Brexit Britain" were the comments on DS. The police said there was no such attack and did not investigate it further.

I'm sick of idiots portraying MY country as a dangerous, hate filled place. It is no such thing. We remain one of the friendliest, tolerant and appealing countries in the world.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:59
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Are you implying that these crimes shouldn't be reported?
It depends on the context. If the British tabloids are reporting attacks on German citizens by asylum seekers or immigrants and nothing else, then the suspicion would have to be that they are pursuing an agenda.
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Old 29-12-2016, 19:02
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It depends on the context. If the British tabloids are reporting attacks on German citizens by asylum seekers or immigrants and nothing else, then the suspicion would have to be that they are pursuing an agenda.
The right wing press in the UK are indeed fabricating things to pursue an agenda, in the same way as the left wing press are creating scenarios where Brits are all now hateful racists who hate foreigners. That was the point of my post about Strictly's Gorka.
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Old 29-12-2016, 19:20
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The right wing press in the UK are indeed fabricating things to pursue an agenda, in the same way as the left wing press are creating scenarios where Brits are all now hateful racists who hate foreigners. That was the point of my post about Strictly's Gorka.
Neither one are helpful. There is too much in the way of commentary and opinion pieces in the British press, especially on the front pages when they should really just be reporting hard news (which would be the norm in the rest of Europe).
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Old 29-12-2016, 19:31
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A gang of white British youths set fire to and killed a rough sleeper near where I live a couple of years ago.
Their residence status, ethnicity and nationality were of no bearing to the poor sod who died. Or to any of the news organisations who reported it.
That is how it should be.
Am I missing something how do you know they were white British if it was not reported?
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Old 29-12-2016, 19:34
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It depends on the context. If the British tabloids are reporting attacks on German citizens by asylum seekers or immigrants and nothing else, then the suspicion would have to be that they are pursuing an agenda.
True, but the rags are always pursuing an agenda and have done since they were incepted.
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