I dont think i have ever seen a relationship between Ronnie and Roxy as intense as this one as they act like they are really sisters. But i can see signs in their relationship where they know they cant live with each other for the rest of their lives. But they cant live without each other either
Is your relationship with your sister similar to Ronnie and Roxy
I think the relationship Ronnie and Roxy have is more something girls share anyway with best friends or siblings but boys I don't think they would go partying together dancing on a table together and stuff like that.
"Neither can live while the other survives"
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I don't know any relationship quite like theirs but I've known of some with elements of R&R's relationship rather than entirely so.
For example, I did know someone who had dealt with some of the same sort of things - due to parental negligence and other issues had to be more of a mother figure to her younger sisters for a time and she does have that intense protective feeling toward her sisters. In this case, it is not detrimental to the younger sisters, but certainly is to the oldest. She would feel feelings of guilt about doing anything for herself because she felt like she was supposed to live for her sisters. It's also an issue of extremely low self esteem due to abuses done to her, I think.
I for one, sometimes relate to their relationship, but it only in certain ways. We're not as intensely close as they are(though we are identical twins), I don't think we could share as much as they do. However, she is my only really close relation, I never had much contact with any of my extended family, most of my grandparents died before I knew them. We were never really close because we were twins(though that forces a bit of closeness simply because you go through the same things at the same time, same peer group) but more so because we actually didn't really have anyone else to be close to. We at least understood what each one was going through. As we've gotten older we've realised how important out relationship is because life has its ways of putting distance between friends and things like that. So, it's good to have a built in support system and I feel lucky to have a sibling like her.
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I don't know any relationship quite like theirs but I've known of some with elements of R&R's relationship rather than entirely so.
For example, I did know someone who had dealt with some of the same sort of things - due to parental negligence and other issues had to be more of a mother figure to her younger sisters for a time and she does have that intense protective feeling toward her sisters. In this case, it is not detrimental to the younger sisters, but certainly is to the oldest. She would feel feelings of guilt about doing anything for herself because she felt like she was supposed to live for her sisters. It's also an issue of extremely low self esteem due to abuses done to her, I think.
I for one, sometimes relate to their relationship, but it only in certain ways. We're not as intensely close as they are(though we are identical twins), I don't think we could share as much as they do. However, she is my only really close relation, I never had much contact with any of my extended family, most of my grandparents died before I knew them. We were never really close because we were twins(though that forces a bit of closeness simply because you go through the same things at the same time, same peer group) but more so because we actually didn't really have anyone else to be close to. We at least understood what each one was going through. As we've gotten older we've realised how important out relationship is because life has its ways of putting distance between friends and things like that. So, it's good to have a built in support system and I feel lucky to have a sibling like her.
No I don't go around controlling my younger sister then inappropriately stroke her hair and declare pacts of staying together
Well no, me and my sister don't usually fight like this.
https://youtu.be/SdqsAeu4LP0?t=2m26s
On a more serious note, I'm not controlling like Ronnie, so no.
https://youtu.be/SdqsAeu4LP0?t=2m26s
On a more serious note, I'm not controlling like Ronnie, so no.
Me and my sister are the polar opposite of Ronnie and Roxy. We are just not friends. We try to be but its just not there. I think it's because we're so different. But if my sister was anything like controlling Ronnie I'd get far away from her as possible! Lol
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Do sisters regularly sleep with each other's partners and ex partners.
Totally dysfunctional.”
“Do sisters regularly sleep with each other's partners and ex partners.
Totally dysfunctional.”
You'll be surprised.
Originally Posted by danyell:
“Me and my sister are the polar opposite of Ronnie and Roxy. We are just not friends. We try to be but its just not there. I think it's because we're so different. But if my sister was anything like controlling Ronnie I'd get far away from her as possible! Lol”
“Me and my sister are the polar opposite of Ronnie and Roxy. We are just not friends. We try to be but its just not there. I think it's because we're so different. But if my sister was anything like controlling Ronnie I'd get far away from her as possible! Lol”
This is true, but I'd never have been able to tolerate a sister like Roxy either. She was pretty awful to Ronnie back in their early days. The story I posted about the girl and her sisters - well another element of that was how ill treated the oldest was by their dad. The middle sister showed a stunning lack of understanding and empathy toward some of the things her older sister had been through despite how much the older girl did for her. I think I always projected a bit of my disgust from that real life dynamic I knew of onto Roxy which is partly why I couldn't like the character of Roxy.
Roxy constantly ignored the warning signs that were so clear in Ronnie and Archie's relationship, she chose Archie's side over Ronnie's essentially many times. Including bringing Archie back to the place where her sister lives after the death of Danielle.
This idea that it's all Ronnie that had made their dynamic toxic isn't true.
It might be horrible to say but if Roxy was my sister and even after learning how wrong she was about Archie - continued to date the worst men - I'd have let her fall. If she was smarter(but she's not) she might say to herself "Hm, I wasn't very good at spotting the signs with my dad, so maybe I am wrong about Carl/Dean ect." Alas, no.
Originally Posted by 0...0:
“Hell no. If it was I'd push her into the damn swimming pool myself.”
“Hell no. If it was I'd push her into the damn swimming pool myself.”
I'd have thrown myself in to the swimming pool long ago if I was Roxy
No way, I love my sisters & I respect them enough to leave them live their own lives, as they see fit. While I may not always like their choices of a partner, it's not my call.
In some ways.
I am protective of my sister due to my life exoeriences. I also try to get her to see people for what they really are. However I always get mistaken to be her dad over brother as our larents sit and he lives away now and can be really weird when he sees us. He was never reliable or constant as a dad when they were together. My sister was 2 when they split. Naturally I just grew to help mum with her. Me and her also do have our aurgumebts but that is natural for siblings anyway regardless of gender or age gaps.
However with a 13 year and 9 day age gap also not. I am not telling ber what tk donakth her life or going out drinking with her. She's 8 so It'd be wrong anyway and I nade a healthy decision to not drink alcohol when I was in my worst suicidal depressed anyway and want to stick to it even though I have moved passed that awful stage now. Really the age Gap is what prevents us from being like Ronnie or Roxy.
I am protective of my sister due to my life exoeriences. I also try to get her to see people for what they really are. However I always get mistaken to be her dad over brother as our larents sit and he lives away now and can be really weird when he sees us. He was never reliable or constant as a dad when they were together. My sister was 2 when they split. Naturally I just grew to help mum with her. Me and her also do have our aurgumebts but that is natural for siblings anyway regardless of gender or age gaps.
However with a 13 year and 9 day age gap also not. I am not telling ber what tk donakth her life or going out drinking with her. She's 8 so It'd be wrong anyway and I nade a healthy decision to not drink alcohol when I was in my worst suicidal depressed anyway and want to stick to it even though I have moved passed that awful stage now. Really the age Gap is what prevents us from being like Ronnie or Roxy.
Allegedly all Ronnie wanted was a baby. Now she has one - and two step-children, one of whom is also her niece. And she's leaving all this to baby-sit her sister in Tenerife?
Jack should move to Ongar with the kids and steer clear of the toxic duo.
Jack should move to Ongar with the kids and steer clear of the toxic duo.
Originally Posted by xItzDannyx:
“Well no, me and my sister don't usually fight like this.
https://youtu.be/SdqsAeu4LP0?t=2m26s
On a more serious note, I'm not controlling like Ronnie, so no.”
“Well no, me and my sister don't usually fight like this.
https://youtu.be/SdqsAeu4LP0?t=2m26s
On a more serious note, I'm not controlling like Ronnie, so no.”
I havent seen ronnie negatively controlling roxy for a long time and when she did, roxy was with abusivemen/ in bad relationships. Ronnie has been trying to encourage rozy lately. It is jack who has bern.negative. but then when roxy has been given the benefit of the doubt; she has screwed up. It is not jacks fault roxy forgot to pick the kids up at school, not jacks fault amy walked in on mummys one night stand, not jacks fault roxy bought the wrong present nor jacks fault for roxy running out on amy, taking drugs. I also think people forget the long period of time ronnie was on the outer whilst roxy doted on daddy archie. Roxy is by no means an innocent. They both have flaws. That is the whole complexity of their relationship. When ronnie does stand back and realise she cant "control" roxy, roxy falls apart. And
Originally Posted by Peg ODwyer:
“No way, I love my sisters & I respect them enough to leave them live their own lives, as they see fit. While I may not always like their choices of a partner, it's not my call.”
“No way, I love my sisters & I respect them enough to leave them live their own lives, as they see fit. While I may not always like their choices of a partner, it's not my call.”
And in roxys case; that meant an abusive relationship...
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“And in roxys case; that meant an abusive relationship...”
“And in roxys case; that meant an abusive relationship...”
Well, yes. I said above if Roxy were my sister, I'd have let her do what she was going to do. At such a point when she continuously chooses horrible men despite her past experiences - what the h*ll are you going to do?
All you can do is be there for them when it all goes wrong. We're not talking about some inexperienced young woman, we're talking about an almost middle aged woman making the same bad choices - you aren't going to get them to see differently. Of course because of their dynamic and such point Ronnie doesn't take the only sensible route and wait it out, it gets so bad she ends up a killer.
The one thing I'd say about the Carl plot, is DTC did know the characters. Even down to the way Carl treated Ronnie. Some people say if Ronnie was going to kill Carl, she could have killed Archie. Maybe, but I don't think Ronnie could have killed Archie. He was too big part of emotional and psychological make up that doing so would have ruined the rest of her life, she'd never "move on" from him then. He'd have essentially "won" ironically, if she had. I saw Carl as a stand in Archie. The "Archie" she could kill without the baggage that would have come with it.
We could also compare Carl to Roxy's first on screen train-wreck relationship - that fiance from Ibiza back in 07. Then Ronnie was mostly sensible and calm about it. She made her feelings clear but let Roxy make her choice and helped Roxy when she asked. Ronnie wasn't controlling Roxy then, not really. Ronnie only actively interfered when Damien told her when he got Roxy out of the country, he wasn't going to let her come back.
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“I havent seen ronnie negatively controlling roxy for a long time and when she did, roxy was with abusivemen/ in bad relationships. Ronnie has been trying to encourage rozy lately. It is jack who has bern.negative. but then when roxy has been given the benefit of the doubt; she has screwed up. It is not jacks fault roxy forgot to pick the kids up at school, not jacks fault amy walked in on mummys one night stand, not jacks fault roxy bought the wrong present nor jacks fault for roxy running out on amy, taking drugs. I also think people forget the long period of time ronnie was on the outer whilst roxy doted on daddy archie. Roxy is by no means an innocent. They both have flaws. That is the whole complexity of their relationship. When ronnie does stand back and realise she cant "control" roxy, roxy falls apart. And”
“I havent seen ronnie negatively controlling roxy for a long time and when she did, roxy was with abusivemen/ in bad relationships. Ronnie has been trying to encourage rozy lately. It is jack who has bern.negative. but then when roxy has been given the benefit of the doubt; she has screwed up. It is not jacks fault roxy forgot to pick the kids up at school, not jacks fault amy walked in on mummys one night stand, not jacks fault roxy bought the wrong present nor jacks fault for roxy running out on amy, taking drugs. I also think people forget the long period of time ronnie was on the outer whilst roxy doted on daddy archie. Roxy is by no means an innocent. They both have flaws. That is the whole complexity of their relationship. When ronnie does stand back and realise she cant "control" roxy, roxy falls apart. And”
Ever since they were first on screen, there were always some people who saw Roxy's perspective more sympathetically and vice versa. Another factor I think is Roxy being a far less noticeable character and not really having any stand out moments or storylines. It's easy to forget all the times she was utterly nasty and selfish in the extreme. Also, since Archie Roxy has not been as bad usually so lot of her more horrible moments were over half a decade ago.
