Is the UK facing a lost decade if it pursues Brexit ?

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scott789s

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by tahiti:
“Sure, i'll tell you what though: let us get the people who voted for this debacle to pay for its costs.

Agreed ?

here are a few suggestions to raise the money to fund that Brexit thing:

- cut pensions. abolish triple lock 'pronto' to start with.

- cut benefits. the low-skilled:/unskilled will soon have plenty of jobs with sll foreigners gone, right ?

- cancel free transport passes/ free TV licenses/ etc. needs must.

- make people pay for hip replacements / all non life-saving NHS operations etc .

- everyone to pay tax regardless of earnings, and raise the basic rate of tax. times are hard and we need the money for Brexit.”

No mention of cutting the overseas aid budget then? What a shock.

Eurostar

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“If Brexit is a divorce, the marriage that preceded it is one of the most dysfunctional ones of all time. The EU have shafted us for 40 years, all we want to is keep what is ours by right, we aren't even asking for all the money back that we put in to keep the marriage afloat. Maybe we should do that.”

Arguably the UK was the dysfunctional partner or nagging wife in the relationship and the one who caused it to fail. Saying repeatedly "This relationship is not working" for the last 20-25 years, complaining all the time and demanding more and more concessions.

batdude_uk1

29-12-2016

How about we make companies and the high earners pay a fair rate of tax, thus bringing in a fair bit of cash to begin with.

i4u

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by tahiti:
“which thread is debating whether the administrative costs of Brexit are properly being reported and explained to the public please ?”

None...not even David Davies would give a figure apart from implying money is no object in his department....compared to Education, Health & Housing.

I assume all departments of government have had spend money providing the Transexit Minister with data from their existing budgets.

i4u

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“How about we make companies and the high earners pay a fair rate of tax, thus bringing in a fair bit of cash to begin with.”

What makes you think middle to low earners are paying a fair rate of tax?

Quote:
“Britain's highest earners pay more than a quarter of the country’s entire income tax bill, more than when the Coalition came to power.

Nearly 300,000 taxpayers are forecast to contribute the equivalent of £45.9 billion in income tax between them by the end of this year, equivalent to £150,000 each. The amount they have paid has risen from 25 per cent of the nation’s tax bill when Labour came to power to 27.3 per cent this year.”

thenetworkbabe

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“People have got rich through the EU while other people have suffered. The people that suffered have largely voted out while the people getting rich voted to stay. So why should the people that have suffered have to cover the costs of us getting out?”

Nothing to do with he EU.

Being in the EU , made those poor people richer than they otherwise would have been if we had continued the disasterous experiment of being outside longer. We abandoned that - because it left us the sick man of Europe.

Poorer people are poorer because they offer little useful to the modern global economy. Removing the protective shield of the EU, just exposes them more to a reality that they can't function in. You cant bring back mines, cotton mills and low skileld manufacturing jobs, or create service jobs where no one can afford them. . They can't compete with Indian labour costs, or S Korean technology. The well educated meanwhile can , and will, just go where the better jobs are overseas.

You are, in a sense, right that some of the least successful made a protest against being less successful - but being greedy, and trying to bring down the more successful - who paid for the tax and benefits bill, was a contradictory , and suicidal, move on their behalf.

Less trade, less growth, and less money for those doing well, just means less spending , higher unemployment, and less public spending. Its inevitably going to mean lower pensions, a faster declining NHS , and weaker services - even with no intention to punish the people who voted for this, by voting Leave. Government is prevented from deliberately targetting those responsible, because the Leave voting seats are in the majority , but I wouldn't expect much if you are in a Labour core seat, or a Conservative one, under any future Labour government.

i4u

29-12-2016

I'd Hazzard a guess you have turned a blind out to the multi millionaires and billionaire hedge fund managers that backed leaving the EU, for the 'opportunity' it gives them.

By which they mean, corporation tax be lowered and regulations to protect ordinary people are scrapped so those extremely rich people can further feather their nests.

David_Elson

29-12-2016

Originally Posted by tahiti:
“and the problem is , you are serious !

what about the fate of EU citizens here? that of British citizens in the EU ? the fate of passporting for the financial services industry (a major part of UK GDP) ? the fate of Nissan plants ? that of Nissan''s workers in Sunderland ? scientific cooperation ? University linkups ? etc etc

You may not personally have anything at stake but millions of your fellow citizens do !”

And they were all consulted via referendum. Decision made. Get on with it.

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