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Old 29-12-2016, 04:29
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I'm no fan of Farage and I fully accept we have to fulfil our obligations to immigrants who have already settled here, but it's not unreasonable or unrealistic to say that we should aim to get immigration figures into the tens of thousands and to adopt an Australian-style points-based system to attract immigrants with skills. We'd have to build a city the size of Birmingham every three years to sustain current net immigration levels and that obviously has consequences for our country in terms of population and social cohesion.
Nope, wrong, we don't have to build a city the size of birmingham every 5 years. First of all if we needed cities being built, how come none have been since Milton Keynes in the 1960's/70's?

B, most of the migrants coming in are on 5 year visas or less and those that come here on spousal visas will live with their British spouse. Those that are here on 5 year visas or less like students, temporary workers will rent not buy in most cases too.

Then there is the best part of 500 thousand people who die each year in the UK too and while the birth rate is higher, it will take 20 years before they start adding or taking from society in massive ways.

With the older generations being the biggest in numbers and retiring in massive numbers too, I think we actually need a lot of immigration and yes those coming here to work or study should be controlled, but no way should there be the kind of distortions there have been for the last 20 years (by the Farage's/Andrew Green/Migration Watch of this world) on the immigration figures. That has led to the Theresa May's of this world vindictively keeping married couples apart (those married to non EU citizens that is and whats worse is that Theresa may knows the real score but it suits her and her ideology to let people think things are a lot worse than they are!)
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Old 29-12-2016, 04:52
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Nope, wrong, we don't have to build a city the size of birmingham every 5 years. First of all if we needed cities being built, how come none have been since Milton Keynes in the 1960's/70's?

B, most of the migrants coming in are on 5 year visas or less and those that come here on spousal visas will live with their British spouse. Those that are here on 5 year visas or less like students, temporary workers will rent not buy in most cases too.

Then there is the best part of 500 thousand people who die each year in the UK too and while the birth rate is higher, it will take 20 years before they start adding or taking from society in massive ways.

With the older generations being the biggest in numbers and retiring in massive numbers too, I think we actually need a lot of immigration and yes those coming here to work or study should be controlled, but no way should there be the kind of distortions there have been for the last 20 years (by the Farage's/Andrew Green/Migration Watch of this world) on the immigration figures. That has led to the Theresa May's of this world vindictively keeping married couples apart (those married to non EU citizens that is and whats worse is that Theresa may knows the real score but it suits her and her ideology to let people think things are a lot worse than they are!)
A few facts for you:

1. ANY EU citizen can currently come to live in the UK for as long as they wish for ANY reason, with or without skills, with or without a job to go to.

2. Current official annual net migration levels are around 333,000. This does not include those who are here illegally.

3. There were 529,655 deaths registered in England and Wales last year, plus an additional 57,573 in Scotland.

3. There were 697,852 births registered in England and Wales last year, plus an additional 55,100 in Scotland, so we are more than replacing ourselves.

4. There are currently around 1.66 million unemployed people living in the UK. This does not include the under-employed or the self-employed (who are often under-worked), so it's a myth that we need huge numbers of immigrants here to fill job vacancies.

Immigration spiralled out of control during the early Blair years. I recommend to you Tom Bower's book, Broken Vows, if you want to do some serious reading as to how and why this happened.

If you haven't got the inclination to read it, the former civil servant Andrew Neather, speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, summarised the motivations behind it in an article in October 2009 when he wrote: "Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.

"I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn't its main purpose – to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date."
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Old 29-12-2016, 06:29
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Ever since the EU vote resulted in a vote to leave the EU, there have been a lot of reports of ethnic minorities reporting that people have been asking them and or as good as ordering them to leave the country because "we voted leave, now leave" and worse things too.

I've also seen idiots looking at minorities in a very exasperated/bewildered way very soon after the referendum as if they were thinking "what is that person still doing here and what shall I do about it".

Do you know people that thought the EU referendum was a vote to expel all immigrants and their offspring's from the country and did you have to put them straight? What was their reaction when they were told that the referendum wasn't about that?
It's all in your head.
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Old 29-12-2016, 06:57
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It's all in your head.
It really isn't.

Sorry that isn't much of a coherent argument. So much to say, but it would be a whopping big essay.

In answer to the OP, yes, I know many racists who don't think they are racists.
Or rather they express some racist opinions from time to time.
Otherwise they are perfectly normal nice people.

We choose not to talk about it in real life. It just ends up in an endless GD type loop.
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Old 29-12-2016, 07:33
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I personally didn't know anyone who thought that or posted that on FB.. but did see many remainers posting that those who voted leave thought that . It was bizarre actually.
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Old 29-12-2016, 07:54
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The OP states otherwise.

I've also seen idiots looking at minorities in a very exasperated/bewildered way very soon after the referendum as if they were thinking "what is that person still doing here and what shall I do about it?
I saw one knucklehead who as soon as he saw an ethnic minority looking instantly all angry with that look I described days after the vote. I'm pretty good at reading people as I have worked for the public for more than 20 years at straight and most of the time, I read people and the kind of look/general thought that might be going through their head pretty well.
Err I can tell what their roughly thinking from the expressions/looks they give, its not rocket science!
The OP is making assumptions about millions of people based solely on what they assume a few isolated individuals are thinking in what may or may not be entirely made up situations, unless psychic powers are suddenly a thing then yes, it really is all in their head.

I particularly enjoyed the lack of self awareness implicit in this statement.

I think it shows how little people actually know on the things they get het up about and just go on their perceptions.
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Old 29-12-2016, 08:07
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I mean this post is a joke, right?.

I mean jeez delusions of grandeur or what?. You actually think you can read people's minds!.
I actually laughed out at Styker's post. I'm sure it sounded intelligent to him/her and then it was written in black and white for all to see.Oh dear.

I have noticed some remainers smearing people who voted out of Europe as racists and making assumptions about their reasons for voting out.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:01
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Do you know people that thought the EU referendum was a vote to expel all immigrants and their offspring's from the country and did you have to put them straight? What was their reaction when they were told that the referendum wasn't about that?
There is definitely this sort of view out there though it's a minority one imo. Am pleased to say I don't know anyone that moronic. But I've heard it from the occasional radio caller and street interview on TV.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:09
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I know quite a few Brexiters. One told me that hundreds of people he knew, who never vote in general elections, were turning out this time to vote as they wanted rid of immigrants, who they blame for long waits at the local hospital or GP appointments. He lives near me. There are hardly any EU immigrants here, but quite a few Commonwealth-origin people, although the vast majority is white working class or self employed tradesmen. I tried to explain that the GPs now only sees patients 3 days a week and the local hospital is PFI'd and understaffed (many locum immigrant doctors and nurses too) due to cutbacks and bad UK govt decisions, but he wouldn't listen. Immigrant means immigrant.

Others I know have opined that "I f**king hate Germans, they make all our laws" - when argued with he maintained his dislike of all foreigners, said the English were superior and even if what I said was true, it was what he felt that was important. He is a pensioner with a full pension and a house worth an estimated £1m so hardly poor or left behind.
He also said "we can't have muslims in the EU!".

Another guy went on about how muslims and blacks were 'animals'.

Others expressed a conflation of all immigrants of whatever origin, one had lost a single job to a Latvian painter so was aggrieved (this is a guy who turns down work as he's so busy) and all without exception expressed xenophobic and Islamophobic views.
These were all felt but weren't expressed before the referendum, which has made toxicity mainstream.
The Remain problem is how to appeal to emotion, not just intellect, and how to make people accept facts rather than perception of reality. Nasty people shout louder and right now, only their views are being heard.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:16
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I don't know anyone who thought that, but I'm sure that there were thousands who thought that leaving the EU would put a full stop on further immigration into the UK by EU citizens, maybe some thought that it would stop immigration altogether.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:32
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The situation in Germany and Sweden last year must have influenced people. Seeing the problems at The Jungle in Calais before the referendum must have also influenced people. It's one reason I think a lot of the media, BBC included, played down the problems for a long time before it was impossible to ignore.

Nothing to do with the EU of course. We're not even in the Schengen Area!

Of course not everyone voted out because of this, but a fair few did - and they're usually the ones who can't give real reasons for wanting to leave when asked.

They're the ones who appeared all over the TV and in the papers giving lacklustre answers, but when pushed further always magically got onto the problem of immigration. As said above, it seems muslims featured quite a lot despite that being nothing to do with the EU.

Likewise, there were/are people genuinely concerned about EU nationals working here, but as our currency has taken a hit many are going home - so I guess they got their wish. Problem is, they're now paying more for things (at least in the short term) so I hope it was worth it.

Are people happy that there might be more jobs for them to take (low paid and low skilled ones generally) but they will pay more for food and fuel?

Finally, I'm not sure if Facebook has changed the way it shows things in feeds, but before the referendum the number of Britain First posts I had to endure being liked or shared by people I thought were more open minded was crazy. Now I can't remember a single post since.

The far right groups including Farage certainly used the racists to boost the votes. We'll never know the actual split, or indeed how many people have since changed their mind (likewise, how many remainers may have since decided leaving isn't so bad and may have changed their mind the other way).
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:35
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Not deportation but some did think it would be far more straight forward that it seems likely to be
I'd go along with that.

Think some expected it to be a quick fix..

Never was going to be like that...

I live in an area where mass immigration isn't so much of an issue (well maybe apart from Luton) so cannot really comment if people really felt this was the main reason to get out.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:59
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I don't know anyone who thought that, but I'm sure that there were thousands who thought that leaving the EU would put a full stop on further immigration into the UK by EU citizens, maybe some thought that it would stop immigration altogether.
Lots of the threads I've read on here are from remainers suggesting that we will no longer be able to get the Europeans skills we need after Brexit, so it seems it's they who think that no more EU citizens will be allowed to come here.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:01
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Only heard one person say it and she voted remain, she was carefully explaining to a lady we both work with because I voted leave she would now have to pack her bags and go back to Thailand and that people like me were moving the country away from Europe. I did try to explain a voting to leave eu didn't mean I wanted anyone to leave the country, b voting to leave didn't mean we would be physically any further than we are now to Europe and c Thailand isn't in Europe anyway but she had made up her mind and scared the lady she was speaking to.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:03
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Ever since the EU vote resulted in a vote to leave the EU, there have been a lot of reports of ethnic minorities reporting that people have been asking them and or as good as ordering them to leave the country because "we voted leave, now leave" and worse things too.

I've also seen idiots looking at minorities in a very exasperated/bewildered way very soon after the referendum as if they were thinking "what is that person still doing here and what shall I do about it".

Do you know people that thought the EU referendum was a vote to expel all immigrants and their offspring's from the country and did you have to put them straight? What was their reaction when they were told that the referendum wasn't about that?
No. Not in reality or my imagination.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:05
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No. The existence of such people is a suggestion I've only ever seen made by remainers on internet forums.

The OP's self confessed mind reading skills gave me a welcome chuckle though
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:12
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I think most people I know who were that concerned about the issue mainly wanted Eastern European immigrants to leave (my stepfather is one) but also wanted to keep Muslims from coming in. I ask though: how many of those come from the EU? Granted if Turkey joins we will/would have got more but I would have thought most Muslim immigrants were either coming from outside the EU (especially those seeking asylum) or were coming over to be with British families

Although there seem to be a few out there who think leaving the EU means no contact with Europe whatsoever, so we'd close the Channel Tunnel, no one would come over from Calais, etc. I don't think there are many who are that blinkered, but have seen a few online and in the letters pages of newspapers (if they're not just trolling ...)
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:15
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Nope. I've heard people wanting to decrease immigration. But no one wanted to mass deport immigrants, or thought it was a vote for that.
I suspect few did. However, it is worrying some of my EU friends living here that, despite requests to give some assurances for Europeans working and living in the UK, the Prime Minister refuses to say that a leave to remain would be guaranteed.
Sadly, I already have two colleagues who have decided to leave the UK before they're pushed (their perception).
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:17
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I know quite a few Brexiters. One told me that hundreds of people he knew, who never vote in general elections, were turning out this time to vote as they wanted rid of immigrants, who they blame for long waits at the local hospital or GP appointments. He lives near me. There are hardly any EU immigrants here, but quite a few Commonwealth-origin people, although the vast majority is white working class or self employed tradesmen. I tried to explain that the GPs now only sees patients 3 days a week and the local hospital is PFI'd and understaffed (many locum immigrant doctors and nurses too) due to cutbacks and bad UK govt decisions, but he wouldn't listen. Immigrant means immigrant.

Others I know have opined that "I f**king hate Germans, they make all our laws" - when argued with he maintained his dislike of all foreigners, said the English were superior and even if what I said was true, it was what he felt that was important. He is a pensioner with a full pension and a house worth an estimated £1m so hardly poor or left behind.
He also said "we can't have muslims in the EU!".

Another guy went on about how muslims and blacks were 'animals'.

Others expressed a conflation of all immigrants of whatever origin, one had lost a single job to a Latvian painter so was aggrieved (this is a guy who turns down work as he's so busy) and all without exception expressed xenophobic and Islamophobic views.
These were all felt but weren't expressed before the referendum, which has made toxicity mainstream.
The Remain problem is how to appeal to emotion, not just intellect, and how to make people accept facts rather than perception of reality. Nasty people shout louder and right now, only their views are being heard.
So your mate knows of 100s of people who have never voted before but that they would in the referendum and they all chose to tell him about this and go on to tell them their reasons and all of these reasons were the same, that they blamed immigration for NHS queues.
Gonna have to call BS on this one.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:26
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I suspect few did. However, it is worrying some of my EU friends living here that, despite requests to give some assurances for Europeans working and living in the UK, the Prime Minister refuses to say that a leave to remain would be guaranteed.
Sadly, I already have two colleagues who have decided to leave the UK before they're pushed (their perception).
The PM first responsibility should be for U.K. Citizens living in EU countries before handing out guarantees to EU citizens without any reciprocal assurances .
So Your colleagues seemed to think that the referendum was for deportations then
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:30
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I don't know anyone who thought it meant deporting EU citizens already living here.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:32
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Nope. I've heard people wanting to decrease immigration. But no one wanted to mass deport immigrants, or thought it was a vote for that. Your middle paragraph is ridiculous. No one can mind read. have you actually heard anyone say they thought it was a vote for mass deportation, or are you going off strangers facial expressions?
That's amazing, you know everyone that voted? That's a lot of people!

Personally, I know of one who did think that but she is very, very stupid.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:43
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That's amazing, you know everyone that voted? That's a lot of people!

Personally, I know of one who did think that but she is very, very stupid.
That is not what they said though, is it?

I have yet to meet someone who thought that this would be the case, but then I am not a mind reader like some.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:45
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The dad & son that run the corner shop near me are both happy to share their opinion. The son was very Brexit happy and seems to think that the countries woes all all down to "the immigrants". He was happily watching the Million Mask Mach on his phone behind the counter and laughing at all the Brexiters that were rebelling against the court verdict stopping Theresa May invoking Article 50 without Parliament backing. Someone had told him that's what the march was about and he was planning on going up to join in.

My parents are also in favour of Brexit and sadly there is more than a hint of latent racism & xenophobia behind their opinions. This is either reinforced by Daily mail or just a symptom of their views, I've not worked out which yet.
Mind, my mum has also become more religious in the last 10 years too so these two subjects are off the table for Sunday lunch conversation!
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:04
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I haven't come across a single person who thought the EU referendum result meant that.
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