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Old 29-12-2016, 11:19
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That is not what they said though, is it?

I have yet to meet someone who thought that this would be the case, but then I am not a mind reader like some.
Yes, I know.
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:23
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I do know some people who seem to have believed a Yes vote would mean we could leave a lot sooner and, by extension, that we'd be able to set our own immigration controls / possibly deport some people after that. (They know about Article 50 etc but basically say "why do we need to go through all that, out should mean OUT, we should be able to bypass this and Europe wouldn't be able to do anything about it, etc.") That is not the same as thinking Brexit = automatic deportation of immigrants though ...
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:45
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That's amazing, you know everyone that voted? That's a lot of people!

Personally, I know of one who did think that but she is very, very stupid.
I thought it was pretty clear what I said. But if you're having issues and seriously think I claimed to know everyone, I'll rephrase it.
I've heard people say they voted leave for reduced immigration, but of the people I know and have spoken to, or seen post on Facebook, none of them have said they want to deport anyone (except illegals. I have seen people say they wanted illegals deported).
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:05
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The PM first responsibility should be for U.K. Citizens living in EU countries before handing out guarantees to EU citizens without any reciprocal assurances .
So Your colleagues seemed to think that the referendum was for deportations then
I don't believe they felt that's what the leave vote meant. However, you can understand why non-UK citizens might want to avoid being caught unawares in 2 years time if no assurances are forthcoming. I'd imagine there are plenty Brits selling up in Spain and France right now too, worried that they'll be deported back to the UK if an agreement can't be reached, with no bargaining power over property sales.
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:54
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The situation in Germany and Sweden last year must have influenced people. Seeing the problems at The Jungle in Calais before the referendum must have also influenced people. It's one reason I think a lot of the media, BBC included, played down the problems for a long time before it was impossible to ignore.

Nothing to do with the EU of course. We're not even in the Schengen Area!

Of course not everyone voted out because of this, but a fair few did - and they're usually the ones who can't give real reasons for wanting to leave when asked.

They're the ones who appeared all over the TV and in the papers giving lacklustre answers, but when pushed further always magically got onto the problem of immigration. As said above, it seems muslims featured quite a lot despite that being nothing to do with the EU.

Likewise, there were/are people genuinely concerned about EU nationals working here, but as our currency has taken a hit many are going home - so I guess they got their wish. Problem is, they're now paying more for things (at least in the short term) so I hope it was worth it.

Are people happy that there might be more jobs for them to take (low paid and low skilled ones generally) but they will pay more for food and fuel?

Finally, I'm not sure if Facebook has changed the way it shows things in feeds, but before the referendum the number of Britain First posts I had to endure being liked or shared by people I thought were more open minded was crazy. Now I can't remember a single post since.

The far right groups including Farage certainly used the racists to boost the votes. We'll never know the actual split, or indeed how many people have since changed their mind (likewise, how many remainers may have since decided leaving isn't so bad and may have changed their mind the other way).
Excellent post.

Likewise I saw a reduction in Facebook "likes" for Britain First after the referendum (from people who I was surprised by) but they seem to have started again in the past week.

With regards to sending EU nationals back to their countries of origin, sadly a Bulgarian friend of mine received a vile letter in the post telling her that now we'd voted out she'd better leave before she "gets burnt out of her home". She has started three successful businesses in the UK in the past ten years and employs numerous British people. It seems that there are some people who believed that they would all be deported.
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Old 29-12-2016, 14:02
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I know why remain lost.

Because a large proportion of British people believe immigration is the cause of a good many of their ills.

Well you've got the next few years to find out if that is true or not.
Immigration is not going to slow down though is it. The Tories are useless at stopping it.

We will just have more immigrants coming directly from the Middle East, rather than from the EU.
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Old 29-12-2016, 14:15
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It's all in your head.
I remember Ken Clarke MP saying some weeks after the EU vote that he was being asked the most regarding it by his constituents was "when you going to send the pakistani's back home"! He said that I'm pretty sure on the Murnaghan programme, if you want to try and google it, feel free. Is that in Ken Clarke's head too?
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Old 29-12-2016, 14:18
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A few facts for you:

1. ANY EU citizen can currently come to live in the UK for as long as they wish for ANY reason, with or without skills, with or without a job to go to.

2. Current official annual net migration levels are around 333,000. This does not include those who are here illegally.


3. There were 529,655 deaths registered in England and Wales last year, plus an additional 57,573 in Scotland.

3. There were 697,852 births registered in England and Wales last year, plus an additional 55,100 in Scotland, so we are more than replacing ourselves.

4. There are currently around 1.66 million unemployed people living in the UK. This does not include the under-employed or the self-employed (who are often under-worked), so it's a myth that we need huge numbers of immigrants here to fill job vacancies.

Immigration spiralled out of control during the early Blair years. I recommend to you Tom Bower's book, Broken Vows, if you want to do some serious reading as to how and why this happened.

If you haven't got the inclination to read it, the former civil servant Andrew Neather, speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, summarised the motivations behind it in an article in October 2009 when he wrote: "Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.

"I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn't its main purpose – to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date."
I was aware of the first 2 facts already. As for the rest of what you wrote, it backs up my stance that the population with immigration is generally balanced when you take out the amount of people who die each year, along with the fact that babies won't add or take from society much until they reach adulthood and with the older generations retiring in massive numbers we need immigrants! Also you overlooked how most of the people counted as immigrants are here on 5 year visas or less!
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Old 29-12-2016, 14:42
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The OP states otherwise.


The OP is making assumptions about millions of people based solely on what they assume a few isolated individuals are thinking in what may or may not be entirely made up situations, unless psychic powers are suddenly a thing then yes, it really is all in their head.

I particularly enjoyed the lack of self awareness implicit in this statement.

You mocking me on me pointing out that people went on their perceptions is not a anomaly. See my post above re what Ken Clarke said and unlike a lot of Bresxiter's, I know exactly why I voted to leave the EU on a factual basis but many didn't, they went on their perceptions.

You should also look up the amount of racism that was reported after the Brexit vote, there was an increase after it. Look up organisations on Twitter like Tell Mamma too and see their time line. Is what they report and post all fake too?
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Old 29-12-2016, 15:23
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Theres a .gov pdf on Hate Crime somewhere. I'm not looking for it again, sorry. But it confirms an increase.
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Old 29-12-2016, 15:38
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I remember Ken Clarke MP saying some weeks after the EU vote that he was being asked the most regarding it by his constituents was "when you going to send the pakistani's back home"! He said that I'm pretty sure on the Murnaghan programme, if you want to try and google it, feel free. Is that in Ken Clarke's head too?
Just googled it and nowhere does he say it's the most asked question from his constituents. I doubt it was more that one, if that.
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Old 29-12-2016, 15:45
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You mocking me on me pointing out that people went on their perceptions is not a anomaly. See my post above re what Ken Clarke said and unlike a lot of Bresxiter's, I know exactly why I voted to leave the EU on a factual basis but many didn't, they went on their perceptions.

You should also look up the amount of racism that was reported after the Brexit vote, there was an increase after it. Look up organisations on Twitter like Tell Mamma too and see their time line. Is what they report and post all fake too?
An increase on reports of the perception of racism.Also It doesn't tell us which way the racism was going.
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Old 29-12-2016, 16:37
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The only times I've heard that view expressed is when someone else has said that it's what other people think. I've never actually heard these other people say it themselves though.
I have and it was a retired teacher who said it. He voted to keep Asian immigration down! I think to a lot of people the vote was about immigration so they saw it as a first step.
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Old 29-12-2016, 16:49
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One just has to read the comments on the Daily Mail website - the most read 'news' website in the world apparently, no matter how many mock it - to see that to some people Brexit, and most other events in the world, is about immigration in the main part.

These are people expressing some extreme opinions and in high numbers if the readership of that site is to be believed; these are our fellow citizens and many of them believe that it is chiefly about immigration, that immigration is the scourge and ruination of our society and that Brexit will sort it all out and that changes to immigration will 'make this country great again'.

They don't represent everybody, nobody does, but they represent themselves and believe what they are saying, so yes, for some people it was a major part of the reason they voted leave. Whether they believe it will mean people being ejected from the UK once Brexit happens, some do, some don't.

One does wonder how many of them express their racism beyond the comment section of the DM and how many don't and, for those who do, what form that takes.
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Old 29-12-2016, 16:50
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Ever since the EU vote resulted in a vote to leave the EU, there have been a lot of reports of ethnic minorities reporting that people have been asking them and or as good as ordering them to leave the country because "we voted leave, now leave" and worse things too.

I've also seen idiots looking at minorities in a very exasperated/bewildered way very soon after the referendum as if they were thinking "what is that person still doing here and what shall I do about it".

Do you know people that thought the EU referendum was a vote to expel all immigrants and their offspring's from the country and did you have to put them straight? What was their reaction when they were told that the referendum wasn't about that?
No is the short answer, you would have to be pretty stupid to think that.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:04
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[quote=Styker;84993574]You mocking me on me pointing out that people went on their perceptions is not a anomaly. See my post above re what Ken Clarke said and unlike a lot of Bresxiter's, I know exactly why I voted to leave the EU on a factual basis but many didn't, they went on their perceptions.

You should also look up the amount of racism that was reported after the Brexit vote, there was an increase after it. Look up organisations on Twitter like Tell Mamma too and see their time line. Is what they report and post all fake too?[/QUOTE]

Firstly I think you should be the one to find the link to the Ken Clarke quote, seems only fair.

And as for your second paragraph, I doubt there was any increase at all in racist incidents, only that some sections of the media decided to focus more on the usual statistics and incidents that always happen around the country, and highlight them with a view to a salacious and eye-catching headline.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:23
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[quote=Ted Cunterblast;84994641]
You mocking me on me pointing out that people went on their perceptions is not a anomaly. See my post above re what Ken Clarke said and unlike a lot of Bresxiter's, I know exactly why I voted to leave the EU on a factual basis but many didn't, they went on their perceptions.

You should also look up the amount of racism that was reported after the Brexit vote, there was an increase after it. Look up organisations on Twitter like Tell Mamma too and see their time line. Is what they report and post all fake too?[/QUOTE]

Firstly I think you should be the one to find the link to the Ken Clarke quote, seems only fair.

And as for your second paragraph, I doubt there was any increase at all in racist incidents, only that some sections of the media decided to focus more on the usual statistics and incidents that always happen around the country, and highlight them with a view to a salacious and eye-catching headline.
No if people want to go into denial then thats up to them.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:25
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Just googled it and nowhere does he say it's the most asked question from his constituents. I doubt it was more that one, if that.
Nope he definitely said something along the lines of "the thing I'm asked about the most is "when are you going to send the pakistani's home"! He so should have told them where to go as well as telling the morons that Pakistan isn't even in Europe let alone part of the EU and never was it mentioned that it was a referendum to expel people!
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:33
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At one point the BNP managed to get over 500,000 votes in the GE. I would imagine that amongst those there were people who would have liked the vote to mean The EU Referendum Was A Vote To Expel All Immigrants and a smaller subset that thought it did actually mean that.

There have however been a mass of people since the vote claiming that the vote actually meant x or y. Why would they be any different? Fortunately I don't seem to move in those circles
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:35
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I remember Ken Clarke MP saying some weeks after the EU vote that he was being asked the most regarding it by his constituents was "when you going to send the pakistani's back home"! He said that I'm pretty sure on the Murnaghan programme, if you want to try and google it, feel free. Is that in Ken Clarke's head too?
Far be it from me to question what life long europhile and career politician Kenneth Clarke claims to have heard over the back of his fence. Do you ever question why it it is always extreme remainiacs who seem to have endless amounts of bigoted brexiters sounding off in their social circle?

You should also look up the amount of racism that was reported after the Brexit vote, there was an increase after it. Look up organisations on Twitter like Tell Mamma too and see their time line. Is what they report and post all fake too?
"Reported hate crime" not "racism".

20,000 students getting narked at an iffy tweet does not an epidemic make. Want to know why we lost? Too many years of dissembling crap and smears like your OP left the majority resentful, mistrustful and unwilling to listen any more.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:41
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Far be it from me to question what life long europhile and career politician Kenneth Clarke claims to have heard over the back of his fence. Do you ever question why it it is always extreme remainiacs who seem to have endless amounts of bigoted brexiters n their social circle?



"Reported hate crime" not "racism".

20,000 students getting narked at an iffy tweet does not an epidemic make. Want to know why we lost? Too many years of dissembling crap like your OP left the majority resentful and unwilling to listen any more
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You mean people can;t be racist without potentially getting into trouble with the law about it? Ahh poor babies - NOT!

As for Ken Clarke, I'be got no doubt what he said was true. Working for the public for more than 20 years I've had loads of people come out with racist views with them automatically thinking I would agree with them!

As for reported racism but not prosecuted, more likely down to be a lack of witnesses, things like that. Though it wouldn't look good for anyone to be arrested even for racism, I think it shows up on DBS checks and quite rightly too.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:42
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https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...6-hosb1116.pdf
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:47
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You mean people can;t be racist without potentially getting into trouble with the law about it? Ahh poor babies - NOT!
Inventing conversations in your head? There's a word for that.

As for Ken Clarke, I'be got no doubt what he said was true. Working for the public for more than 20 years I've had loads of people come out with racist views with them automatically thinking I would agree with them!
Great, we can add your anecdotal evidence as to the demonic nature of 17 million fellow citizens who voted incorrectly to Kens. 👍
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:50
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Well according to this forum, anyone who voted to leave the EU is a ignorant racist who does not know what is good for them. Considering that, I'm quite happy I voted to leave and I stand by my vote, mainly because their reaction has shown me who the real idiots are.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:52
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Inventing conversations in your head? There's a word for that.



Great, we can add your anecdotal evidence as to the demonic nature of 17 million fellow citizens who voted incorrectly to Kens. 👍
And where have I done that? Just because you don't like and cannot handle what I am saying doesn't mean its not true!
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