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Old 29-12-2016, 17:57
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You mean people can;t be racist without potentially getting into trouble with the law about it? Ahh poor babies - NOT!
And where have I done that? Just because you don't like and cannot handle what I am saying doesn't mean its not true!
The evidence as to your veracity is laid out on this thread for all to see.

It should be easy to show you are not a fantasist by showing where I have commented on the prosecution or non-prosecution of "racists" for saying what they think.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:57
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A few facts for you:

1. ANY EU citizen can currently come to live in the UK for as long as they wish for ANY reason, with or without skills, with or without a job to go to.

2. Current official annual net migration levels are around 333,000. This does not include those who are here illegally.

3. There were 529,655 deaths registered in England and Wales last year, plus an additional 57,573 in Scotland.

3. There were 697,852 births registered in England and Wales last year, plus an additional 55,100 in Scotland, so we are more than replacing ourselves.

4. There are currently around 1.66 million unemployed people living in the UK. This does not include the under-employed or the self-employed (who are often under-worked), so it's a myth that we need huge numbers of immigrants here to fill job vacancies.

Immigration spiralled out of control during the early Blair years. I recommend to you Tom Bower's book, Broken Vows, if you want to do some serious reading as to how and why this happened.

If you haven't got the inclination to read it, the former civil servant Andrew Neather, speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, summarised the motivations behind it in an article in October 2009 when he wrote: "Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.

"I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn't its main purpose – to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date."
I don't think number 1 is right? You have three months to find employment, education or if you're a pensioner, show you can support yourself.

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...e/index_en.htm
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:59
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Well according to this forum, anyone who voted to leave the EU is a ignorant racist who does not know what is good for them. Considering that, I'm quite happy I voted to leave and I stand by my vote, mainly because their reaction has shown me who the real idiots are.
That is your wrong perception. Nobody is being labelled a racist for merely voting Leave.

People are being called racist for their secondary comments.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:00
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That is your wrong perception. Nobody is being labelled a racist for merely voting Leave.

People are being called racist for their secondary comments.
It's not my perception whatsoever, I've actually been told and insinuated I am racist and that could be the only reason I voted to leave. So that I could apparently shout "send 'em all bk where they came from". I would find the post, but to be honest I can't be bothered.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:04
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If you are unfairly called racist then have a go back at them
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:05
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If you are unfairly called racist then have a go back at them
I do most of the time. Unfortunately on here you have to be far more polite than I wish when responding to certain posters. I usually just ignore or tell them I cannot be bothered , as they are far too argumentative or and dismissive for my liking. Not worth the trouble generally.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:08
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Lots of the threads I've read on here are from remainers suggesting that we will no longer be able to get the Europeans skills we need after Brexit, so it seems it's they who think that no more EU citizens will be allowed to come here.
This and not only on DS. Some people think the UK will be out of bounds to all EU workers. There've also been sweeping accusations of racism directed at Brexit voters, myself included.

We will be completely free from EU rules on European workers and their families being entitled to the same benefits as UK citizens whether they live in the UK or not.
While we also have to pay to subsidise the poorer countries many of them desert, causing them more problems.
Future UK immigration law depends on UK Government policy not the EU or Brexit.
The disingenuous, opportunist Farage played to the ill informed in his audience on that one.
We need immigrants and I hope at some stage it will be based on who we need to benefit the economy at last.

Also, there definitely was an increase in racially or religiously aggravated offences in the months before and after the referendum which peaked in July at 41% higher than July 2015.
Page 18.
http://report-it.org.uk/files/hate-c...6-hosb1116.pdf
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:10
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The evidence as to your veracity is laid out on this thread for all to see.

It should be easy to show you are not a fantasist by showing where I have commented on the prosecution or non-prosecution of "racists" for saying what they think.
You keep on putting words into my mouth/distorting my words and now its seems you want people to have the right to be racist too. Am I correct? If not, what do you want people to be able to say and do on racist words/comments/behaviour?
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:44
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Well according to this forum, anyone who voted to leave the EU is a ignorant racist who does not know what is good for them. Considering that, I'm quite happy I voted to leave and I stand by my vote, mainly because their reaction has shown me who the real idiots are.
I want to believe that many/most of the people who voted to leave the EU aren't ignorant racists. And/or patronising "we the PEOPLE have had our say and we demand DEMOCRACY and we're adults while the Remoaners are children" types. But even though rationally speaking the Leave voters I know are a "biased sample" (all from my father's family, and a local councillor who used his support of the Leave campaign to get votes - of course he'll say what's convenient to him) they're so unpleasant it makes me very negative towards other Leave voters even though logically/morally I know that's wrong

I will however still try not to distort their words. Even my dyed-in-the-wool Love Thy Neighbour-esque racist grandmother who rejected my mother for not being white did not think Brexit = deporting all immigrants overnight ...
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Old 29-12-2016, 19:57
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You keep on putting words into my mouth/distorting my words and now its seems you want people to have the right to be racist too. Am I correct? If not, what do you want people to be able to say and do on racist words/comments/behaviour?
Are you actually serious here?

MidnighFalcon made a post that in now way shape or form was saying it was ok to be racist.

You then bizarrely posted "You mean people can't be racist without potentially getting into trouble with the law about it? Ahh poor babies - NOT!"

I have no idea why you posted the above when his words didn't indicate that was his position at all. You invented that.

He then correctly called you a fantasist, as you're seeing things that he didn't post.

After you putting words in his mouth, seeing things that aren't there, saying he thinks that people should be able to be racist when he said no such thing you're now actually saying it's him twisting your words and not the other way around? I'd stop, because you're making an even bigger fool of yourself than you were doing when claiming to have mind reading powers on page 1.
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Old 29-12-2016, 20:41
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QUOTE=sodavlac;84996393]Are you actually serious here?

MidnighFalcon made a post that in now way shape or form was saying it was ok to be racist.

You then bizarrely posted "You mean people can't be racist without potentially getting into trouble with the law about it? Ahh poor babies - NOT!"

I have no idea why you posted the above when his words didn't indicate that was his position at all. You invented that.

He then correctly called you a fantasist, as you're seeing things that he didn't post.

After you putting words in his mouth, seeing things that aren't there, saying he thinks that people should be able to be racist when he said no such thing you're now actually saying it's him twisting your words and not the other way around? I'd stop, because you're making an even bigger fool of yourself than you were doing when claiming to have mind reading powers on page 1.[/quote]


You're choosing to represent another poster's views?! Let him/her speak for himself. That poster wrote in quotation marks "racist", therefore implying that people who want to be racist are not!

I could go on but in order to stick to DS rules i won't. I suggest you should refrain from calling me or anyone a fantasist as it does breach the rules of treating other posters with respect.
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Old 29-12-2016, 21:45
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There is definitely this sort of view out there though it's a minority one imo. Am pleased to say I don't know anyone that moronic.
If they secretly thought this then you wouldn't know about it.

But there have been enough threads on DS with people putting forward their own agendas as to who should be booted out and who should stay.

It would also be unfortunate if at least 700,000 were against immigration due to personal prejudices and voted leave specifically for that reason, so that Leave won. (Especially if they themselves are non-EU immigrants.)
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:50
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Nope he definitely said something along the lines of "the thing I'm asked about the most is "when are you going to send the pakistani's home"! He so should have told them where to go as well as telling the morons that Pakistan isn't even in Europe let alone part of the EU and never was it mentioned that it was a referendum to expel people!
As I said. I Googled it. And you're wrong . He merely said "some constituents may " ask that
I'm. Also sure he said it for effect rather than as factual. As it just ldoesnt ring true
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:04
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As I said. I Googled it. And you're wrong . He merely said "some constituents may " ask that
I'm. Also sure he said it for effect rather than as factual. As it just ldoesnt ring true
Why don't you put the link up?
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:34
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Why don't you put the link up?
"The former Chancellor also blasted the Leave campaign for dragging immigration into the debate in the lead up to the referendum, which saw 52 per cent of the population vote to leave the red-tape obsessed bloc.

Attacking the Leavers, Mr Clarke said: "The referendum was only about whether we're members of the EU or not.

"It was the Leave campaigners who turned it into an anti-immigrant frenzy. The accepted wisdom now is it was actually a vote to have fewer foreigners here.

"I have constituents asking: when are we going to send the Pakistanis back?"

Even tho the actual video says "I may have constituents "seemingly added for effect IMO

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/691...ion-IMF-Brexit
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:48
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Stuff like this? Full of facts.

https://goo.gl/photos/D1XPyQxvdi4aQXch9

To be fair, immigration wasn't top of the list. But then on interviews, immigration is often not mentioned until far in to the conversation but once brought up, the interviewee somehow springs to life and now has plenty to say, after struggling on the stuff about laws, regulation etc.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:56
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"The former Chancellor also blasted the Leave campaign for dragging immigration into the debate in the lead up to the referendum, which saw 52 per cent of the population vote to leave the red-tape obsessed bloc.

Attacking the Leavers, Mr Clarke said: "The referendum was only about whether we're members of the EU or not.

"It was the Leave campaigners who turned it into an anti-immigrant frenzy. The accepted wisdom now is it was actually a vote to have fewer foreigners here.

"I have constituents asking: when are we going to send the Pakistanis back?"

Even tho the actual video says "I may have constituents "seemingly added for effect IMO

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/691...ion-IMF-Brexit

That wasn't the interview I saw/heard, the one I saw was I'm pretty sure on Murnaghan/Sky News shown on a sunday though around the same time of the year. The fact that he said the same kind of point as what I heard him say on Sky indicates very much that people did say that to him and with the increase in racism post brexit, I know I don't need convincing that there were a fair few idiots who thought that it was a vote to expel all immigrants.

On the day of the vote itself, I heard 2 women saying to a supermarket worker that they had voted to leave and they too mentioned Pakistani's as well, saying something like "what about all the pakistani's here too". The Supermarket worker/supervisor was agreeing with them until she clocked me looking at her in a not very impressed way and she then said to them "I don't do politics". I wonder if those posters who think I'd have to be psychic to be able to roughly tell what people are thinking when looking at their faces on certain things, think that supermarket supervisor was psychic too?
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Old 30-12-2016, 01:13
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That wasn't the interview I saw/heard, the one I saw was I'm pretty sure on Murnaghan/Sky News shown on a sunday though around the same time of the year. The fact that he said the same kind of point as what I heard him say on Sky indicates very much that people did say that to him and with the increase in racism post brexit, I know I don't need convincing that there were a fair few idiots who thought that it was a vote to expel all immigrants.

On the day of the vote itself, I heard 2 women saying to a supermarket worker that they had voted to leave and they too mentioned Pakistani's as well, saying something like "what about all the pakistani's here too". The Supermarket worker/supervisor was agreeing with them until she clocked me looking at her in a not very impressed way and she then said to them "I don't do politics". I wonder if those posters who think I'd have to be psychic to be able to roughly tell what people are thinking when looking at their faces on certain things, think that supermarket supervisor was psychic too?
Ok, so you actually really believe that the highest number of questions Ken Clarke was asked after Brexit was " when are we going to send the (non EU) Pakistanis home?
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Old 30-12-2016, 01:38
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I don't know anyone personally who has said this BUT- my supposition is that people though the Brexit vote was a secretive "nudge nudge winK wink know what I mean" v.ote for ending immigration.
People with racist views, who are self aware enough to acknowledge that's their feelings, are used to using secretive & coded language in order to disguise the true meaning of what they say & feel because they fear being branded a racist & the social embarrassment & ostracism they could face as a result of it becoming public.

One person I know onlinE said to me that they were distressed about the amount of ASIANS in their locality & this is why they voted When I tried to point out that Asians wouldnt generally be EU immigrants I didn't get a proper response. It was as if they didn't understand that Asian immigration & EU immigration were 2 different things.

I think reading between the lines THIS is the real issue: having seen the streams of refugees coming to Europpe in recent years, some Brexiters fear that these people will in time become EU citizens, & once that has occurred, that masses will come to the UK, "flood our culture" (in the minds of the Brexiters) with their Muslim culture & ontop of that some will become IS terrorists.

For many the Anti EU vote was in fact a protest about Muslims, indirect though that may be.

Of course there are those who's beef is with the institution of the EU but I'd hedge my bets, once a voters motives are investigated further, that in fact that is not a majority opinion.
The vote to leave the EU was a vote to take back governing our own country. In every way. Of course it was about controlling our own borders, that.was the key message UKIP have sent out for some time.now.

The security aspect is also massive. Even one terrorist is one too many. From anywhere. 100% security is exactly that. 99.99999% is not total security.
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Old 30-12-2016, 01:56
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The vote to leave the EU was a vote to take back governing our own country. In every way. Of course it was about controlling our own borders, that.was the key message UKIP have sent out for some time.now.

The security aspect is also massive. Even one terrorist is one too many. From anywhere. 100% security is exactly that. 99.99999% is not total security.
We're not going to have 100% security, not with more than enough of our own home-grown terrorists - many of whom are British, and of those that aren't, a lot of them would not have come in from the EU.

Although personally I don't think the UK deserves peace/security when we've seen so much hatred towards immigrants, refugees, and minorities in the wake of the referendum - even those who are British, even those who didn't come from the EU. And all the talk about "protecting British culture and heritage!" which is typically used as an excuse for trying to force white, "Christian" values onto those deemed as minorities. I'm not arguing that all or even most Leave voters are responsible for this. Just angry that the referendum caused an upsurge in it
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Old 30-12-2016, 04:11
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Well according to this forum, anyone who voted to leave the EU is a ignorant racist who does not know what is good for them. Considering that, I'm quite happy I voted to leave and I stand by my vote, mainly because their reaction has shown me who the real idiots are.
bib - I can only assume you mean according to some on this forum, not the whole forum itself, or even the whole of the 'remain' voters who post here.

Please don't lump us all in together though and generalise, calling all 'remain' voters idiots - it's a bit of a simplistic viewpoint, idiotic even I feel fairly confident saying there are idiots on both side of the argument and undoubtedly some in the middle too

You should stand by your vote, it was your vote to do with as you wish and your democratic right - the same as anybody else's.
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Old 30-12-2016, 06:23
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Old 30-12-2016, 07:02
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You keep on putting words into my mouth/distorting my words and now its seems you want people to have the right to be racist too. Am I correct? If not, what do you want people to be able to say and do on racist words/comments/behaviour?
What I don't want is dangerous fantasists like yourself being allowed to reduce the term "racism" to a handy bludgeon to silence or smear anyone who dares to hold different views, on EU membership for example.

The evidence for this tendency is clearly displayed on this thread for anyone with eyes to see.. People like you are the reason we are now suffering the consequences of a right wing backlash.

You're choosing to represent another poster's views?! Let him/her speak for himself. That poster wrote in quotation marks "racist", therefore implying that people who want to be racist are not!.
I thought they summed it up perfectly. So your "evidence" for implying I was racist or supported racism was a set of quote marks? No wonder you imagine racism everywhere.

You have shown yourself to be a complete fantasist and I have no more patience for you.
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Old 30-12-2016, 08:05
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People like you are the reason we are now suffering the consequences of a right wing backlash
Yup the normal speaking out regarding anti-racism is the cause of racism line. That's not at all telling about your attitude.
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Old 30-12-2016, 08:30
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Do you know people that thought the EU referendum was a vote to expel all immigrants and their offspring's from the country and did you have to put them straight? What was their reaction when they were told that the referendum wasn't about that?
Personally I don't know anyone who thinks like this, nor do I read a significant number of people expressing this opinion on forums like DS. I do know people who have what I think of as reasonable concerns about immigration. Clearly there is going to be a spectrum of views on immigration. My guess is that most of those take the moderate view that someone - either the EU or national governments - should be empowered to control the numbers of people coming into the country. To what extent that power is exercised, most people probably realise it's going to be a trade off between demand from employers for certain skills and the social impact of a rapidly increasing population. Not everyone is going to get what they want.
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