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Since when did we move away from training our own people for these jobs and start bringing them in by the hundreds of thousands from everywhere else? Oh yes, when it was discovered they'd do it much cheaper because their living standards are much lower. Again, go look up wage compression.
You have conveniently totally ignored the point that the population has risen by 4.6m in ten years, which has placed a huge strain on all aspects of our lives - GP/hospital access, wages, school places, overcrowding, the transformation of certain parts of our cities into ghettos, on and on it goes... I want decent people to come here from a decent stock with the skills we need. I also want our ageing population cared for and our own vulnerable people looked after FIRST. I want any migrant that has committed a serious crime in another country to be held and then deported within 48 hours, no questions asked. I want any migrant that acts against the Christian foundations of this country by encouraging violent against against it put in prison for life. I want fairness for all law-abiding citizens, wherever they're from, and a closed door at our borders so we can lower the population numbers, apart from medical personnel, scientists, and degree-educated teachers. We can't keep taking in millions of people from Syria, Afghanistan, Africa, Poland, Canada, Australia, Brazil - it doesn't matter where they're from, it's the NUMBERS that is out of control, especially of low skilled people that offer nothing. Apparently this makes me a racist xenophobe! I remember this. Everything for the State. Nothing outside the State. (paraphrased). |
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I remember this.
Everything for the State. Nothing outside the State. (paraphrased). |
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5% of the population are out of work, how about we worry about getting them in work and training/educating them rather than out sourcing.
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... we want to keep the nhs from going under we want to have kids, get married and live happily ever after...
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I hate to break this to you but Afghanistan is also a war zone
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Ever since the EU vote resulted in a vote to leave the EU, there have been a lot of reports of ethnic minorities reporting that people have been asking them and or as good as ordering them to leave the country because "we voted leave, now leave" and worse things too.
I've also seen idiots looking at minorities in a very exasperated/bewildered way very soon after the referendum as if they were thinking "what is that person still doing here and what shall I do about it". Do you know people that thought the EU referendum was a vote to expel all immigrants and their offspring's from the country and did you have to put them straight? What was their reaction when they were told that the referendum wasn't about that? |
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I'm not frightened thanks, i just want it controlled more and btw, the figures are from
Eurostat, the EU's official statistical agency, the dm didnt make them up. Cant believe im defending the dm, but you cant argue with ACTUAL STATS. and quit insinuating everyone who disagrees with you is racist, its bloody ignorant and downright rude. |
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The people in Calais are from various war zones too and where they are not, those places are often very unstable/unsafe so again, if you think they are fleeing such stable safe places, go and swap places with them and see how you like it. I'd much rather have refugees here than those intolerant of them!
I almost wish we were taking in more people from Syria because whenever you hear about a crime in Europe, it's hardly ever someone from Syria! But whatever the case, people need to come to the UK by legal means. And being in or out of the EU makes no difference, except perhaps that France will probably help them through even more than they have allegedly been doing before - until the situation got totally out of control. |
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Oh the anti everything DM will be neutral will they? If you think people from any war zone country are fleeing perfectly fine countries, go and swap places with them and see how you like living in such places!
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https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuoffi...7650666333173/
Like her or loath her - for telling it like it is - Katie makes mincemeat of this foolish man |
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How long before our country becomes (more) unsafe because of extremists from unstable countries, namely muslim countries?
That was what the OP originally asked - was part of the vote simply from by those who are anti immigration and/or against minorities. |
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The only people I've heard say anything about a leave vote being a vote to expel all immigrants is from remainers on here, saying that's what Brexiters think.
The same with the claim that Brexiters want immigration to stop completely. The only people I've heard say it are remainers claiming it's what Brexiters want. |
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First of all I'll say what i like within DS rules. On that, you should remind yourself of the rules about treating other people with respect on here. if other posters can't handle my views then tough.
The people in Calais are from various war zones too and where they are not, those places are often very unstable/unsafe so again, if you think they are fleeing such stable safe places, go and swap places with them and see how you like it. I'd much rather have refugees here than those intolerant of them! Quote:
4.8% of the population is unemployed, which is an 11 year low. We should still invest in training and education, for those both in and out of work but the truth is a lot of that number are simply unemployable which is why immigrants are still able to find jobs. Their unemployment is not immigrants fault.
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No they just misrepresented them and you were too uninformed to know or didn't notice. You are right most refugees are not from Syria BUT Sryria is not the only country with conflict. And of course prior to the Middle East wars a lot of immigrants were in and went to those countries and so the war further displaced those people and they are travelling further to achieve a life in a stable country.
BIB1. I know why the immigants are doing the job because our unemployed arent qualified to do it which is why i suggested we re-train or train more people, thought that was obvious... BIB2. Show me how the figures from the official source where "mis-represented", basically dont tell me im talking shit without proving it BIB3. Theyre that "displaced" and in danger (from Albania NOT A WAR ZONE.. FROM TURKEY, NOT A WAR ZONE) that theyre not happy to accept refuge in any of the countries in Europe that offered them safety, but instead head for the UK. okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk tell me why that is then if youre an expert (pls dont use the "they have family here" excuse, cos im sure that doesnt work for EVERY immigrant). |
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The only people I've heard say anything about a leave vote being a vote to expel all immigrants is from remainers on here, saying that's what Brexiters think.
The same with the claim that Brexiters want immigration to stop completely. The only people I've heard say it are remainers claiming it's what Brexiters want. |
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...One person I know onlinE said to me that they were distressed about the amount of ASIANS in their locality & this is why they voted When I tried to point out that Asians wouldnt generally be EU immigrants I didn't get a proper response. It was as if they didn't understand that Asian immigration & EU immigration were 2 different things...
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Ever since the EU vote resulted in a vote to leave the EU, there have been a lot of reports of ethnic minorities reporting that people have been asking them and or as good as ordering them to leave the country because "we voted leave, now leave" and worse things too.
I've also seen idiots looking at minorities in a very exasperated/bewildered way very soon after the referendum as if they were thinking "what is that person still doing here and what shall I do about it". Do you know people that thought the EU referendum was a vote to expel all immigrants and their offspring's from the country and did you have to put them straight? What was their reaction when they were told that the referendum wasn't about that? |
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Being a pedant I tend to read typos and the like verbatim, much to my own amusement, and because you'd used uppercase I couldn't help but read that whole paragraph in the voice of Sam Sweet from The Cable Guy.
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How do you read Lucy_James use of uppercase above?
In my mind's ear, that is. I wouldn't want to wake the neighbours.(Further examples) |
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Blame companies for not training people not migrants or minorities. Blame the Government for allowing the minimum wage/"living wage" for being too low and allowing the housing crisis by selling off council houses and not replacing them! The minimum wage and taking the poorest out of tax is a good thing. I'm sick of that being used as an excuse. Would you rather remove the minimum wage and wages being driven down lower? When I started work nearly 20 years ago I was on £3.55 an hour, working 10 hour days on a shop floor with no commission. As for the houses, where shall we put the millions needed to cover the demand? This is a small island with a lot of farming land and protected areas. I don't want it paved over just to house Eastern Europe. Perhaps we should come in from the opposite angle and reduce numbers to ease the demand? Or maybe we could convert brownfield sites and clamp down on the number of second (and third, forth, fifth) homes people have? |
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And what has this to do with Brexit...?
That was what the OP originally asked - was part of the vote simply from by those who are anti immigration and/or against minorities. |
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Why aren't they training the native population and are, instead, bringing in cheap labour? The clue is in the question. At no point did I blame migrants, not once. If I were in their position, I'd do what they've done. I'm blaming immigration controls (haha) for this mess.
The minimum wage and taking the poorest out of tax is a good thing. I'm sick of that being used as an excuse. Would you rather remove the minimum wage and wages being driven down lower? When I started work nearly 20 years ago I was on £3.55 an hour, working 10 hour days on a shop floor with no commission. As for the houses, where shall we put the millions needed to cover the demand? This is a small island with a lot of farming land and protected areas. I don't want it paved over just to house Eastern Europe. Perhaps we should come in from the opposite angle and reduce numbers to ease the demand? Or maybe we could convert brownfield sites and clamp down on the number of second (and third, forth, fifth) homes people have? The person who came up with the formula of the min wage said a couple of years ago that it should have been at £20 had it risen with proper inflation and that sounds right to me as house prices rocketed from late 1999 thanks to interest rates being lowed fast to try and get us into the Euro back then and because they didn't replace the council houses and still haven't. It sounds like you don't know that the UK is only built on an average of 12% of its land with England at just 9%. Houses only take 2% of the land! A former Planning Minister said all that too, again a couple of years ago. We have never used all our farmland, a lot of it lies with nothing growing on it and farmers are paid to keep it like that and its been like that for centuries. In any case we have more than enough land to build everything we need and still have well over 80% of the land green for those brainwashed into loving "our green and pleasant lands"!! |
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The fundamental problem is that there was no clear declaration of what a vote to leave actually meant when voters put their mark on the referendum ballot. People voted to leave for many reasons and unfortunately there is no way that all of their varied desires for voting out can possibly be met by the governments response in terms of the policy and structure they legislate for leaving. So the sad reality is that they will piss off not only those who wanted to remain but also large sections of the leave voters. When we actually get to see what Brexit really means I suspect that only a minority of voters will be happy with it. But hey-ho its democracy in practice and none of us are supposed to moan about it - Brexit means Brexit!!!?????!!!!
Those that didn't know what a Vote to leave meant obviously don't follow politics much. It comes down to this, we voted to leave, when article 50 is triggered we then go into negotiations with EU representatives on how we deal with each other in general from then on. That will either be agreed to or it won't. If agreements are not reached, then its more likely that the 2 year limit will be increased to something longer if all parties agree to it. If they don't agree then it will get messy but its in no ones interest to let it get messy because we are too much of a major player for those EU countries to lose out on our business and trade/dealings with them in general. I think most things will get done in 2 years and if they don't it will likely to be EU countries being awkward. WTO rules will kick in. The only thing I'm not sure on at the moment is customs in general. Will trucks/people be able to cross borders without too much hassle. Again that could get messy but it will be messy for everyone if they let it get to that stage so its in everyones interest to sort it out quickly once article 50 negotiations start. |
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That is why my friends and people my age voted out, no doubt and idc what anyone says about it . We want to have opportunities given to us, we want to keep the nhs from going under we want to have kids, get married and live happily ever after in a place that isnt dictated too from outside the uk by people who seem to hate us, like i said, we want stronger immigration controls like those in australia. Its a fake thing that all the old people voted out, us younger ones did.
I think you're a little too optimistic about "marriage, children, opportunities and saving the NHS" from the Brexit vote (especially since, EU or no EU, the Tories seem hell bent on wanting to privatise the NHS) but that's another matter Quote:
I want decent people to come here from a decent stock
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I want any migrant that acts against the Christian foundations of this country by encouraging violent against against it put in prison for life.
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We can't keep taking in millions of people from Syria, Afghanistan, Africa, Poland, Canada, Australia, Brazil - it doesn't matter where they're from, it's the NUMBERS that is out of control, especially of low skilled people that offer nothing.
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have u?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...orn-Syria.html FOUR OUT OF FIVE, perhaps you should stop attacking people on here insinutating theyre stupid and racist and read the news yourself, otherwise you'll end up looking like you're on the wind up yourself. When they had nowhere left to go which the EU was warned of by aid agencies desperately short of funding which they willfully chose to ignore a long time before. The Mail conveniently omitted to mention the more then trebling of their numbers in the following three months to deliberately misrepresent the situation at the time. Is it not rather presumptuous of Europeans to expect their much poorer neighbouring countries to simply be able to cope alone with millions of refugees and without anything like the necessary facilities and International aid they need? It was also before mad Merkel's exploitative open invite to use the cheapest immoral method of helping to increase their young, fit and hopefully fertile workforce population from those who didn't drown on the way. In total in 2015 there were twice as many Syrians as any other nationality with a lot of them still left waiting to claim asylum so they aren't included. Without doubt every piss taking economic migrant man and his dog has jumped on the bandwagon along with genuine refugees, but there are other dangerously unstable countries apart from Syria and it isn't the only reason people need to claim asylum. A tiny percentage of the world's refugees are in Europe, not that I agree with it by any means when the vast sums of money spent could help so many more refugees where it's needed for a very long time into the future. Provide sufficient food and education for a start and far better facilities they desperately need. Also thousands of people wouldn't have needlessly drowned. Along with the destabilising, divisive and tragic effects on Europe, playing right into terrorists hands. As far as Brexit is concerned it doesn't make any difference to this situation and the only direct effect might or might not be some control over the numbers of European economic migrants and the benefits they're allowed to claim which will work both ways. Without a system like Australia or Canada say, we're still stuck with the same problems. |
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I haven't got a problem with fair immigration controls/work permits but it sounds like you want to go a lot further than that. The Minimum wage is far too low and most low paying jobs were already paying what became the minimum wage when it came in. The problem with the minimum wage is that its become the maximum wage for low paid workers pretty much while those at the top pay themselves Millions in salaries/bonuses if not hundeds of millions in some cases.
The person who came up with the formula of the min wage said a couple of years ago that it should have been at £20 had it risen with proper inflation and that sounds right to me as house prices rocketed from late 1999 thanks to interest rates being lowed fast to try and get us into the Euro back then and because they didn't replace the council houses and still haven't. It sounds like you don't know that the UK is only built on an average of 12% of its land with England at just 9%. Houses only take 2% of the land! A former Planning Minister said all that too, again a couple of years ago. We have never used all our farmland, a lot of it lies with nothing growing on it and farmers are paid to keep it like that and its been like that for centuries. In any case we have more than enough land to build everything we need and still have well over 80% of the land green for those brainwashed into loving "our green and pleasant lands"!! We will have to build on more of England's land to cope with the huge population rise we have experienced in the last 15 years, I accept this because we have to be pragmatic about the situation but we need to be able to prevent any further population surges. The natural world is at a critical tipping point (including many species here in Britain), i for one would rather see hedgehogs in my garden than the Romanian I caught last night breaking into my shed - If that means I'm brainwashed, than so be it. |
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