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Do You Know Anyone Who Thought EU Referendum Was A Vote To Expel All Immigrants?
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seventhwave
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“i for one would rather see hedgehogs in my garden than the Romanian I caught last night breaking into my shed - If that means I'm brainwashed, than so be it.”

"Brainwashed" no, but I would strongly question your connection of criminality with being an immigrant and/or European. (There'll be no shortage of white British chav burglars about after Brexit ...)
Styker
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“Anyone that admires, respects and wants to preserve Britains natural forna and flora that has existed for thousands of years is brainwashed ?
We will have to build on more of England's land to cope with the huge population rise we have experienced in the last 15 years, I accept this because we have to be pragmatic about the situation but we need to be able to prevent any further population surges.
The natural world is at a critical tipping point (including many species here in Britain), i for one would rather see hedgehogs in my garden than the Romanian I caught last night breaking into my shed - If that means I'm brainwashed, than so be it.”

12% is what the UK on average is built on and you think thats too much?! Scotland is underpopulated too with just 5.5 Million people. Considering there is around 27 Million homes built on the 12% land housing up to 65 Million people then it doesn't take much working out that we'd only have to use a tiny amount of the 88% of land that isn't used to solve the housing/infrastructure crisis.

Look up Ariel shots of the country, your area, you'll be amazed on what tiny amounts we are built on and how much is green.
jonmorris
31-12-2016
For a thread that was out to prove that Brexiteers didn't vote because of immigration, it's amusing that the thread is very quickly showing they not only exist - but that they're posting in the very same thread!

And like I said about those being interviewed that struggled to answer questions until it got onto immigration, I predict this thread will now really take off now that immigration is being discussed.
bart4858
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“12% is what the UK on average is built on and you think thats too much?! Scotland is underpopulated too with just 5.5 Million people. Considering there is around 27 Million homes built on the 12% land housing up to 65 Million people then it doesn't take much working out that we'd only have to use a tiny amount of the 88% of land that isn't used to solve the housing/infrastructure crisis.

Look up Ariel shots of the country, your area, you'll be amazed on what tiny amounts we are built on and how much is green.”

The bits not built on aren't exactly unused. From an aircraft you can see the country is very green but also divided up into lots of fields where farmers grow things or animals graze. Or woods providing lumber and habitats. The rest are motorways, interchanges, industrial estates, retail parks, airports, car parks...

But the existing population also like open spaces as a relief from their towns, or for recreation. This is rightly why you're usually not allowed to just build anywhere, as the whole country would rapidly become an urban sprawl (parts aren't far off; look at a satellite image taken at night showing street lights).

Compared with the UK, parts of the USA look like more like the surface of Mars (eg. Nevada), yet the USA has ten times the population of Canada or Australia.

Both Canada and Australia each have 60 times the area of England, but just over half the population. And yet they have immigration quotas. Clearly the issue isn't just land area.
RobinOfLoxley
31-12-2016
Complaints about land are just NIMBYism
CSJB
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Complaints about land are just NIMBYism”

Really ?
I complain just as much and feel just as passionate (if not more so) about the destruction of wild habitat around the world to provide buildings and agriculture for the rapidly spiralling out of control human population.
How can that be nimbyism when it's not in my backyard ?
CSJB
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“12% is what the UK on average is built on and you think thats too much?! Scotland is underpopulated too with just 5.5 Million people. Considering there is around 27 Million homes built on the 12% land housing up to 65 Million people then it doesn't take much working out that we'd only have to use a tiny amount of the 88% of land that isn't used to solve the housing/infrastructure crisis.

Look up Ariel shots of the country, your area, you'll be amazed on what tiny amounts we are built on and how much is green.”

I'm well aware of how much land is built on and yes I think it's too much.
But it's too late now and as I said we have to be pragmatic about the situation we are in.
I think we should start a massive building program to solve the housing/infrastructure crisis (even if it means building on green field land).
But once that is done we should protect what is left and put in place proper population control policies.
Union Jock
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“For a thread that was out to prove that Brexiteers didn't vote because of immigration, it's amusing that the thread is very quickly showing they not only exist - but that they're posting in the very same thread!

And like I said about those being interviewed that struggled to answer questions until it got onto immigration, I predict this thread will now really take off now that immigration is being discussed.”

I think you'll find what's being talked about is controlled immigration over uncontrolled and yes, many people did vote because of that and not what you're trying to make out there..
Styker
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“I'm well aware of how much land is built on and yes I think it's too much.
But it's too late now and as I said we have to be pragmatic about the situation we are in.
I think we should start a massive building program to solve the housing/infrastructure crisis (even if it means building on green field land).
But once that is done we should protect what is left and put in place proper population control policies.”

So you think 12% of the land built on is too much. Sounds like there is no pleasing you which doesn't surprise me considering the unrealistic expectations you posted earlier.
seventhwave
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Union Jock:
“I think you'll find what's being talked about is controlled immigration over uncontrolled and yes, many people did vote because of that and not what you're trying to make out there..”

It does make me laugh how some (not just on this forum) express blatantly nasty and prejudiced views about immigrants, then act like coming to the UK should be treated as a huge privilege with strict Australian-style tariffs and whatnot. Lucky would be the doctor or scientist who notches up enough "points" to come over here and be condescended to by such people ...
anne_666
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“Anyone that admires, respects and wants to preserve Britains natural forna and flora that has existed for thousands of years is brainwashed ?
We will have to build on more of England's land to cope with the huge population rise we have experienced in the last 15 years, I accept this because we have to be pragmatic about the situation but we need to be able to prevent any further population surges.
The natural world is at a critical tipping point (including many species here in Britain), i for one would rather see hedgehogs in my garden than the Romanian I caught last night breaking into my shed - If that means I'm brainwashed, than so be it.”

The vast majority of the UK isn't built on.
What would your solution have been for the UK's too low birth rate/increasing ageing population. Why do you think Germany resorted to flinging open Europe's doors to migrants? It's a major problem across Europe.
We need immigration and it needs to be properly controlled to benefit the economy.
Does a Romanian thief annoy you more than a born and bred Brit? Or have they all stopped thieving?
By the way hedgehogs are in hibernation and if you want to see them in your garden when they wake up put food out for them and encourage them to stay.
Carbon Products
31-12-2016
Yes, unfortunately. He hates 'foreigners' but pretty much lives on Indian and Chinese take out. When I pointed out that he would lose that kind of food if people left, he tried to backtrack and said British born foreigners could stay.

He's never had a passport, slags off any country outside the UK when you discussed your holiday plans and couldn't understand that if he went abroad then he would be the 'foreigner' he hates so much. (He also wanted Scottish independence just to get away from the English.)

It was hilarious how close minded he is and needless to say we are no longer friends.
bluewomble88
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by seventhwave:
“It does make me laugh how some (not just on this forum) express blatantly nasty and prejudiced views about immigrants, then act like coming to the UK should be treated as a huge privilege with strict Australian-style tariffs and whatnot. Lucky would be the doctor or scientist who notches up enough "points" to come over here and be condescended to by such people ...”

Show me one person who has a serious problem with an immigrant doctor or scientist being here legally and fairly. Go on, I dare you.
terry45
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“Show me one person who has a serious problem with an immigrant doctor or scientist being here legally and fairly. Go on, I dare you.”

You might want to pop down to your local A & E and witness the abuse brown/black medical staff receive.
seventhwave
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“Show me one person who has a serious problem with an immigrant doctor or scientist being here legally and fairly. Go on, I dare you.”

I'm not saying they do. I'm saying: when so many people have such contempt for anyone not British born and raised (and in some cases even those who are, if they're not white and/or "Christian") it's the height of arrogance to suggest skilled immigrants would be lucky to come here and live/work among these people
Mesostim
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“Show me one person who has a serious problem with an immigrant doctor or scientist being here legally and fairly. Go on, I dare you.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/226...-white-British
SULLA
31-12-2016
I have not questioned individuals as to their reasons for voting OUT,

I have occasionally asked people why they wanted to stay IN.
bart4858
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“I have not questioned individuals as to their reasons for voting OUT,

I have occasionally asked people why they wanted to stay IN.”

You've got it back to front. Voting IN made sense, voting OUT didn't.

At the referendum date, the UK was one of the wealthiest countries in the world, had the 2nd largest GDP in Europe, and a thriving economy. Everyone wanted to come here. It had everything going for it.

But that was with the UK as part of the EU. So why change that for the unknown? (Everyone has played Jenga. The growth and development of the EU has been like stacking extra bricks on top. Leaving the EU is like removing bricks from the bottom, with the likelihood of the lot collapsing.)
bluewomble88
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by terry45:
“You might want to pop down to your local A & E and witness the abuse brown/black medical staff receive.”

I have thanks and the only abuse I've ever seen had everything to do with waiting times (remember those unsustainable numbers I previously mentioned?) and nothing to do with the colour of their skin. Well done for throwing out a sweeping statement that does precisely nothing to move the conversation along!
RobinOfLoxley
31-12-2016
Why is everyone worried about Europe when we import so much from China and other cheap labour countries?
anne_666
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by seventhwave:
“I'm not saying they do. I'm saying: when so many people have such contempt for anyone not British born and raised (and in some cases even those who are, if they're not white and/or "Christian") it's the height of arrogance to suggest skilled immigrants would be lucky to come here and live/work among these people”

Then why say it? You're the only person using that questionable slant. Why shouldn't immigration be controlled to work around the economic needs of a country?
Andrew1954
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Then why say it? You're the only person using that questionable slant. Why shouldn't immigration be controlled to work around the economic needs of a country?”

Astonishing isn't it that people are still trying to close down debate by slurring those who have concerns about what is in reality the rate rise in poulation as xenophobes or similar.
Andy2
01-01-2017
I don't know anyone who thought that. It would be ridiculous, surely?
dearmrman
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by Andy2:
“I don't know anyone who thought that. It would be ridiculous, surely?”

It would...yet those that live in towns that have a large Polish & Romanian presence it is exactly what they thought.
Rekekah_Carter
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“It would...yet those that live in towns that have a large Polish & Romanian presence it is exactly what they thought.”

Is it? From what I've heard, these people just objected to the flood of migrants that came their way, with very little to support it, and because of this they want controlled and sustainable immigration. Not at all unreasonable in my opinion.
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