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Old 01-01-2017, 13:25
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Astonishing isn't it that people are still trying to close down debate by slurring those who have concerns about what is in reality the rate rise in poulation as xenophobes or similar.
I agree that people should be able to talk about real issues. It's more that people aren't coming clean from the outset that this is what they voted for. It isn't racist to want to control immigration.

This thread to me just sums up things perfectly and sort of proves the point the OP made. A lot of people voted leave because of immigration, but can't or won't admit it for fear of accusations.

The liberals are to blame for thinking that shutting down debate makes a problem go away or changes minds. Clearly Brexit and Trump proves otherwise.

I wish people would just be honest and say why they voted. And I wish people had discussed this openly before, so people could have been given factual data either way.

I don't see leaving the EU helps us stop illegal immigration, or that us chummying up to the Chinese and others from the Middle East is a great alternative, especially when we have a PM implying that the rich can buy their way in.

We seem to love accepting money without asking where it came from. Look at all the dirty money in property around London and the south east...
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:47
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Then why say it? You're the only person using that questionable slant. Why shouldn't immigration be controlled to work around the economic needs of a country?
I didn't say it shouldn't. I'm saying that points-based immigration systems inherently treat entry to the country as a huge privilege that has to be earned - but it isn't a privilege, if anyone who passes this test will then be arriving in a country with huge social/economic problems or where they will be treated badly, etc. As is the case in Australia, as would be the case if we were to adopt a similar system. If that's "shutting down debate!" and "slurring people as xenophobes!" I honestly don't care.

This thread to me just sums up things perfectly and sort of proves the point the OP made. A lot of people voted leave because of immigration, but can't or won't admit it for fear of accusations.
There's a difference between voting Leave because you wanted an end to free movement of people from Europe, vs voting Leave because you thought (as the OP suggested) that it would mean immediate departure from Europe and subsequent deportation and/or ban on immigration. No doubt there are some people who believed the latter would happen, but I don't believe many were that blinkered.
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:12
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It would...yet those that live in towns that have a large Polish & Romanian presence it is exactly what they thought.
How long have you been a minder reader?
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:42
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I didn't say it shouldn't. I'm saying that points-based immigration systems inherently treat entry to the country as a huge privilege that has to be earned - but it isn't a privilege, if anyone who passes this test will then be arriving in a country with huge social/economic problems or where they will be treated badly, etc. As is the case in Australia, as would be the case if we were to adopt a similar system. If that's "shutting down debate!" and "slurring people as xenophobes!" I honestly don't care.
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I don't know where you get that idea from. There isn't any basis for discussion.
"Huge social and economic problems" is more than a bit of an exaggeration. . I hate to think what life is like in a country which, unlike the UK, isn't one of the world's wealthiest economies and doesn't spend anything like our considerable percentage of GDP on a welfare budget.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:52
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I don't know where you get that idea from. There isn't any basis for discussion.
"Huge social and economic problems" is more than a bit of an exaggeration. . I hate to think what life is like in a country which, unlike the UK, isn't one of the world's wealthiest economies and doesn't spend anything like our considerable percentage of GDP on a welfare budget.
Australia, or wherever the immigrant came from? Or both?
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:43
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Sadly yes. Sad because it came from two people I genuinely like who I thought knew better.

I was very disappointed that they had such views.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:52
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Ever since the EU vote resulted in a vote to leave the EU, there have been a lot of reports of ethnic minorities reporting that people have been asking them and or as good as ordering them to leave the country because "we voted leave, now leave" and worse things too.

I've also seen idiots looking at minorities in a very exasperated/bewildered way very soon after the referendum as if they were thinking "what is that person still doing here and what shall I do about it".

Do you know people that thought the EU referendum was a vote to expel all immigrants and their offspring's from the country and did you have to put them straight? What was their reaction when they were told that the referendum wasn't about that?
Yep loads.

Actually funny story, the day after the vote, my cousin was at a train station and some random bloke walks up to him and says 'bye bye, we've voted out'.

Also in the few months since Brexit I've been the victim of racist abuse more times than I had been in my entire life. It was like a flick had been switched.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:56
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Yep loads.

Actually funny story, the day after the vote, my cousin was at a train station and some random bloke walks up to him and says 'bye bye, we've voted out'.

Also in the few months since Brexit I've been the victim of racist abuse more times than I had been in my entire life. It was like a flick had been switched.
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Obviously it's not really a laughing matter, I hasten to add.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:02
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Obviously it's not really a laughing matter, I hasten to add.
Well no, but we found it amusing how the person actually thought it would be a genuine outcome. Not to mention as an aside that he's actually British.

We were heading out on a Stag Do and it proved most amusing a story at the time.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:20
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Yep loads.

Actually funny story, the day after the vote, my cousin was at a train station and some random bloke walks up to him and says 'bye bye, we've voted out'.

Also in the few months since Brexit I've been the victim of racist abuse more times than I had been in my entire life. It was like a flick had been switched.
Some people are so ignorant, you have to feel pity for them, sadly they don't know any better.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:27
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Well no, but we found it amusing how the person actually thought it would be a genuine outcome. Not to mention as an aside that he's actually British.

We were heading out on a Stag Do and it proved most amusing a story at the time.
How did you cousin know that the random bloke at the station was actually British?
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:33
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How did you cousin know that the random bloke at the station was actually British?
Saying 'we've voted out' is a bit of a clue.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:35
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Saying 'we've voted out' is a bit of a clue.
So did my wife who, until recently, held only a Romanian passport and has lived here only 12 years.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:36
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So did my wife who, until recently, held only a Romanian passport and has lived here only 12 years.
And she now holds a British passport, yes?
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:38
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Yes, bloke near us keeps telling everyone all the foreigners will be gone as soon as we exit the EU.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:55
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Yes, bloke near us keeps telling everyone all the foreigners will be gone as soon as we exit the EU.
Ignorance is not bliss, it's quite scary. Live and let live.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:08
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The bits not built on aren't exactly unused. From an aircraft you can see the country is very green but also divided up into lots of fields where farmers grow things or animals graze. Or woods providing lumber and habitats. The rest are motorways, interchanges, industrial estates, retail parks, airports, car parks...

But the existing population also like open spaces as a relief from their towns, or for recreation. This is rightly why you're usually not allowed to just build anywhere, as the whole country would rapidly become an urban sprawl (parts aren't far off; look at a satellite image taken at night showing street lights).

Compared with the UK, parts of the USA look like more like the surface of Mars (eg. Nevada), yet the USA has ten times the population of Canada or Australia.

Both Canada and Australia each have 60 times the area of England, but just over half the population. And yet they have immigration quotas. Clearly the issue isn't just land area.
My understanding is that all developments/infrastructure make up the 12% of the UK average that is built on. The area I live in was reported by the authorities in the late 1990's to only be built on between 8-13%. Houses in England take up less than 2% of the land!

As for Canada/Australia being anti immigration with such small populations with massive countries, I put that down to pure selfishness and a I'm alright jack approach though with Australia, its got a history up until the 1970's of racist policies too re immigration and its not gone away with a lot of the people there by the looks of it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:04
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I came across a few ardent remainers who were convinced that all the immigrants would be thrown out once Britain leaves the EU.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:45
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Most of the people I know who voted to leave and who I have spoken to about their reasons were voting against immigration. The least intelligent ones would like immigrants to be sent back to where they came from and link our membership of the EU with immigration.

Although I think some immigrants should be deported, such as illegal immigrants, Islamic extremists, immigrants who have broken the law, Africans who believe in demon possession, families of people who have been forced into marriage, and immigrants from eastern Europe who have taken advantage of the welfare system, I didn't vote to leave the EU for that reason, and would have still voted to leave the EU had they all been deported before the referendum.
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Old Yesterday, 13:44
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How did you cousin know that the random bloke at the station was actually British?
No my cousin is British, which is why it was amusing.
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Old Yesterday, 15:16
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No my cousin is British, which is why it was amusing.
Which doesn't answer the question.

The point being made I would have thought is that it is as presumptuous of your cousin to assume the random bloke was British as it was for the random bloke to assume your cousin was not.
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Old Yesterday, 15:17
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No my cousin is British, which is why it was amusing.
Which doesn't answer the question.

The point being made I would have thought is that it is as presumptuous of your cousin to assume the random bloke was British as it was for the random bloke to assume your cousin was not.

Everyone can be guilty of making assumptions and without evidence that's all they are.
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Old Yesterday, 15:19
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Which doesn't answer the question.

The point being made I would have thought is that it is as presumptuous of your cousin to assume the random bloke was British as it was for the random bloke to assume your cousin was not.

Everyone can be guilty of making assumptions and without evidence that's all they are.
It doesn't answer the question because the question was based on the notion that I was saying the random guy was british. I wasn't, I was saying my cousin is British.

No presumptions were made other than that of the random dude saying 'bye, bye'.
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Old Yesterday, 17:38
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Saying 'we've voted out' is a bit of a clue.
'We' being the UK which doesn't necessarily mean the person making the comment was actually British.
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Old Yesterday, 17:43
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No my cousin is British, which is why it was amusing.
It doesn't read like that to me

'we found it amusing how the person actually thought it would be a genuine outcome. Not to mention as an aside that he's actually British'.
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