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If anything it would be a vote winner, moreso if it is presented as a way to clamp down on immigration. And if Brexit is going badly, it would be a welcome distraction for the Govt.
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If anything it would be a vote winner, moreso if it is presented as a way to clamp down on immigration. And if Brexit is going badly, it would be a welcome distraction for the Govt.
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How will it clamp down on immigration?
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First of all a Brexit that mainly favours the banks and multinationals financially, then leave the Human Rights Court.
Planet Tory, red in tooth and claw. |
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How will it clamp down on immigration?
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It wouldn't. I can't see that particular argument going anywhere.
How possible or likely it is, I have no idea. But imagine if May or Farage campaigned on banning migrants from using state services like housing. That would go down well. Without the ECHR to stymie such legislation, it could be possible. |
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What I meant was that opting out of the ECHR and having a Bill of Rights that made the UK unattractive to EU migrants - future ones as well as those of us here already, would be a votewinner in the current climate.
How possible or likely it is, I have no idea. But imagine if May or Farage campaigned on banning migrants from using state services like housing. That would go down well. Without the ECHR to stymie such legislation, it could be possible. |
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If a government wants to clamp down on immigration, then they can simply clamp down on immigration. Once we've left the EU, they can restrict it as much as they like - they don't need a watered-down Bill of Rights to deter immigrants.
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To deport foreigners already here we do. I think it is the ECHR that has repeatedly stopped the UK from deporting people.
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To deport foreigners already here we do. I think it is the ECHR that has repeatedly stopped the UK from deporting people.
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Hardly, as we deport thousands of people every year who have no right to be here. The ECHR has only been involved in a handful of such cases, and even Abu Hamza was extradited eventually.
It does however prohibit lots due to protecting people's right to not be killed to right to a family life. |
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Yeah, damn me for for wanting evidence of something rather than taking what some anonymous person on the Internet reckons at face value. A person who seems to have reckoned it up over the weekend, started a thread about it and now keeps posting what they reckon as if it has some substance.
Cool story about zebras bro, but I'm not the one making unsubstantiated claims, the poster I asked for evidence is the one trying to convince others that black is white. |
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"Human Rights" has been a scam. It's been a clever trick as it's hard to argue against something that sounds such a fundamentally good thing, but in actuality, all its done is make a lot of lawyers very rich, and make life more unpleasant for decent law-abiding people.
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"Human Rights" has been a scam. It's been a clever trick as it's hard to argue against something that sounds such a fundamentally good thing, but in actuality, all its done is make a lot of lawyers very rich, and make life more unpleasant for decent law-abiding people.
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"Human Rights" has been a scam. It's been a clever trick as it's hard to argue against something that sounds such a fundamentally good thing, but in actuality, all its done is make a lot of lawyers very rich, and make life more unpleasant for decent law-abiding people.
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"Human Rights" has been a scam. It's been a clever trick as it's hard to argue against something that sounds such a fundamentally good thing, but in actuality, all its done is make a lot of lawyers very rich, and make life more unpleasant for decent law-abiding people.
Here's the list for you to choose from. Pick as many as you like to give up. Article 2 Right to life Article 3 Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment Article 4 Freedom from slavery and forced labour Article 5 Right to liberty and security Article 6 Right to a fair trial Article 7 No punishment without law Article 8 Respect for your private and family life, home and correspondence Article 9 Freedom of thought, belief and religion Article 10 Freedom of expression Article 11 Freedom of assembly and association Article 12 Right to marry and start a family Article 14 Protection from discrimination in respect of these rights and freedoms Protocol 1, Article 1 Right to peaceful enjoyment of your property Protocol 1, Article 2 Right to education Protocol 1, Article 3 Right to participate in free elections Protocol 13, Article 1 Abolition of the death penalty |
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"Human Rights" has been a scam. It's been a clever trick as it's hard to argue against something that sounds such a fundamentally good thing, but in actuality, all its done is make a lot of lawyers very rich, and make life more unpleasant for decent law-abiding people.
By British Institute of Human Rights On 06/02/2010 Mr and Mrs Driscoll had lived together for over 65 years. He was unable to walk unaided and relied on his wife to help him move around. She was blind and used her husband as her eyes. They were separated after Mr Driscoll became unwell and was moved into a residential care home. Mrs Driscoll wanted to move to the home with her husband but was told she did not meet the criteria used to by the local authority to allocate places. Speaking to the media, Mrs Driscoll said ‘We have never been separated in all our years and for it to happen now, when we need each other so much, is so upsetting. I am lost without him – we were a partnership’. Human rights experts and older people's organisations pointed out that this was a breach of the couple's right to respect for their private and family life (Article 8), protected by the Human Rights Act. A public campaign launched by the family, supported by various human rights and older people’s organisations and the media, used these human rights arguments to convince the local authority to reconsider its decision. As a result Mrs Driscoll’s needs were reassessed by social services, and she was offered a place in the same care home as her husband. More Case Studies from British Institute of Human Rights. You see the human rights act is alot more than about criminals. More cases like this here if you want to read . https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...tyE04azw8eBtkw |
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But that still happened even with the human rights act in place!
There's no reason we can't cherry pick the good bits of the HRA act but omit the bad stuff such as criminals being able to sue the police/prisons. |
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But that still happened even with the human rights act in place!
There's no reason we can't cherry pick the good bits of the HRA act but omit the bad stuff such as criminals being able to sue the police/prisons. |
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Criminals who have no respect for the human rights of others should not be able to hide behind the HRA when it suits them. Do you think it right that prisoners should be able to sue the prison service for not getting free drugs, or not being happy with the standard of prison food, which they get for free?
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Criminals who have no respect for the human rights of others should not be able to hide behind the HRA when it suits them. Do you think it right that prisoners should be able to sue the prison service for not getting free drugs, or not being happy with the standard of prison food, which they get for free?
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