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Old 29-12-2016, 09:58
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Christianity teaches that you can only get to heaven if you accept that you are a sinner (ie imperfect) and trust Jesus's sacrifice on the cross to pay the price for it. Then God will accept you.

Makes me wonder - if God knew this, why did he make everyone imperfect (sinners) in the first place then? He knew they would be unable to be perfect. Is it because there would be too many in the afterlife?

And if you do accept Jesus, then how good do you have to be afterwards?
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:04
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Don't know, but by creating a religious thread, you have guaranteed that it will hang around for a long time and attract many thousands of posts.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:06
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:07
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:09
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:14
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God loves sinners - Its what keep the churches going.......
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:17
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:19
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If there is such a thing as sin, then surely there can be none greater than to tell someone that if they live their only life in a certain way, there will be a prize at the end of it.

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Old 29-12-2016, 10:39
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If God created everyone as " perfect " then the need to accept Jesus and be cleansed of sin would be redundant.

He's very wisely creating a role in the family business for his only son, as a good father should.

You have to see it from God's point of view, the theological ruse of original sin is just a cunning work experience opportunity.

You gotta hand it to those Catholics, without their pizzazz the scriptures are dull reading, but they give Mary a starring role as a virgin and icon, and whole new vista of worship is created.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:46
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Christianity teaches that you can only get to heaven if you accept that you are a sinner (ie imperfect) and trust Jesus's sacrifice on the cross to pay the price for it. Then God will accept you.

Makes me wonder - if God knew this, why did he make everyone imperfect (sinners) in the first place then? He knew they would be unable to be perfect. Is it because there would be too many in the afterlife?

And if you do accept Jesus, then how good do you have to be afterwards?
Where does it teach that? Do you have a link?
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:50
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There isn't an actual answer; it's all subjective and dependant on what script or whatever you're reading. I can't remember which thread it was in now, but it was on here, and within another religious thread, but it was said that whilst there is a promise of heaven, we don't all go there when we die. We all go into the ground (or a furnace) and nothing happens until the second coming or whatever, and then God/Jesus chooses several thousand people to join them in Heaven.

...so, from the basis of that theory, all the people globally who follow this faith; only a very small portion of them are getting to see the silver city. Everyone else just remains ... dead. This is of course one literation of belief, but it's one I remember because of how ... ironic it is - in the sense that there's countless people devoting their lives to a cause which may ultimately not work out for them in the eternal sense.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:56
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It does seem odd that someone who could spend their entire life helping people maybe even dying saving someone wouldn't get in because they are Atheist.

Yet someone who spent their life hurting others is a murder maybe a pedo would get in because they belive.
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:06
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:15
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It does seem odd that someone who could spend their entire life helping people maybe even dying saving someone wouldn't get in because they are Atheist.

Yet someone who spent their life hurting others is a murder maybe a pedo would get in because they belive.
I'll take doesn't understand the Bible for $500 Bob.
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:05
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It does seem odd that someone who could spend their entire life helping people maybe even dying saving someone wouldn't get in because they are Atheist.

Yet someone who spent their life hurting others is a murder maybe a pedo would get in because they belive.
I'll take doesn't understand the Bible for $500 Bob.
Which should tell you that believing and repenting are not as simple as some people seem to think.

As for atheists not going to heaven - well you can't have it both ways. Presumably atheists are happy doing something else - they certainly wouldn't want to spend eternity in the presence of an imaginary being.
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:34
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We're all perfect.... as pure as the driven snow. Bodies might pretend otherwise but they're seriously mistaken. Atonement is just the recognition of this as fact.
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:54
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Which should tell you that believing and repenting are not as simple as some people seem to think.

As for atheists not going to heaven - well you can't have it both ways. Presumably atheists are happy doing something else - they certainly wouldn't want to spend eternity in the presence of an imaginary being.
What about people who believe in a different, "wrong" God. Do you really believe they won't go to some 'rewarding' paradise after death if they've lived a good life? If they can, then in the theory of any religion, why wouldn't Atheists?

If Heaven is a members-only club, that's fine, but at least be honest about it.
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:54
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I'll make my usual response, to this obvious bait. The problem of evil's existence, conflicting with a ''perfect'' God, is a serious academic subject, called ''theodicy''. The wikipedia article is pretty good, and there's other stuff if you search, although both the usual christian and atheist fundamentalists don't seem to understand the issue at all ............
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:59
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straightfowardly, in the bibble, in fact Romans, ''all have sinned'', so all need redemption. Thats standard christian doctrine, as held by all the main churches ........
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:59
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What about people who believe in a different, "wrong" God. Do you really believe they won't go to some 'rewarding' paradise after death if they've lived a good life? If they can, then in the theory of any religion, why wouldn't Atheists?

If Heaven is a members-only club, that's fine, but at least be honest about it.
You could spend your entire life praying and going to Church everyday then when you die find out you should have been going to the Church around the corner.
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:00
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The other way is probably via Uber .......
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:02
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I'll make my usual response, to this obvious bait. The problem of evil's existence, conflicting with a ''perfect'' God, is a serious academic subject, called ''theodicy''. The wikipedia article is pretty good, and there's other stuff if you search, although both the usual christian and atheist fundamentalists don't seem to understand the issue at all ............
What do you mean by the existence of evil?

There's nothing to suggest that 'evil' exists as anything other than an adjective of a person's behaviour or thoughts... Or is it why does an all-powerful God design/allow humans to do such things that can be considered 'evil'?
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:02
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What do you mean by the existence of evil?

There's nothing to suggest that 'evil' exists as anything other than an adjective of a person's behaviour or thoughts... Or is it why does an all-powerful God design/allow humans to do such things that can be considered 'evil'?
And we're off...
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:04
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There isn't an actual answer; it's all subjective and dependant on what script or whatever you're reading. I can't remember which thread it was in now, but it was on here, and within another religious thread, but it was said that whilst there is a promise of heaven, we don't all go there when we die. We all go into the ground (or a furnace) and nothing happens until the second coming or whatever, and then God/Jesus chooses several thousand people to join them in Heaven.

...so, from the basis of that theory, all the people globally who follow this faith; only a very small portion of them are getting to see the silver city. Everyone else just remains ... dead. This is of course one literation of belief, but it's one I remember because of how ... ironic it is - in the sense that there's countless people devoting their lives to a cause which may ultimately not work out for them in the eternal sense.
that's not correct, christian doctrine is standard across nearly all denominations. Even Calvinists. The exception being Universalism.
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:04
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You could spend your entire life praying and going to Church everyday then when you die find out you should have been going to the Church around the corner.
Or that you needed to get the free ticket in a McDonald's Happy Meal...
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