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Old 02-01-2017, 01:42
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I have never believed Oswald acted alone. On being arrested he said to the police 'can 't you see I'm the patsy?'
That had the ring of truth.

Then Jack Ruby turned up and shot him. How convenient.
On the other hand, I wouldn't assume that if he had been acting alone that his response to being arrested would necessarily be "it's a fair cop, it was me what done it, guv'nor." The "patsy" claim is broadly neutral.

His being shot and killed might indeed suggest that he was working with (or mor likely for) others, but if that was the case I feel reasonably sure that none of his co-conspirators played an active role in shooting JFK. Certainly I've found all the claims of specific additional shooters less than convincing.
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Old 02-01-2017, 05:09
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People who believe that Michelle Obama is a transgender male just because s/he has a penis and the body proportions of a man. Hundreds of You-Tube videos to "prove" this. And that Joan Rivers was murdered because she publicly announced this "fact". Very irritating.
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They did an excellent job of 'adopting' two children who happen to resemble them. Verrry clever.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:29
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Oh I'm not so sure. JFK for me has always seemed fishy. As was his brothers killing. I don't believe the suggestion everyone was "in on it" including the guy who replaced him and the grassy knoll thing has always seemed unlikely to me. But the suggestion that it was a Cuba CIA/Mafia thing gone bad can be pretty compelling if you read into it.

The thing that I never understood is Oswald was apparently a JFK admirer. Spoke highly of him at social events. Why then go kill him and then deny it all when captured?
I think the JFK conspiracy is the one most likely to be true. Not all conspiracy theories are made up nonsense.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:29
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A conspiracy theory becomes really annoying when it simultaneously embraces the notions that "they" have the ability and resources to plan and execute such an elaborate plot... but are also so stupid that it's riddled with schoolboy errors.
It does not matter about the errors as no one questions them, and if you do you are a nutty CT who believes in reptile royalty and flat earth.


My only question on the Nice one was the clean truck. and all I get are well you don't always get blood so its possible. Yes I get that its possible for one, two hey even ten people if you like not to have blood but over 200 ?

Witnesses say they see carnage, someone decapitated, disembowelled limbs flying off carnage like a battle field, blood everywhere and yet no blood on the truck Were these witnesses lying, as people here are saying the truck was not going fast so its possible, yet again witnesses saying the truck was doing crazy speeds swerving from side to side so to get more people..

People are so fast to dismiss anything remotely CT that they do not stop and think and see that, yes, it is a little strange, they will instead criticise anyone who dares to question anything making people to scared to speak up for fear of ridicule.

The emperors clothes spring to mind.

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:33
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Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?
And that's the tiny chink that the CTers take and fill with wild speculation and politically motivated disinformation.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:10
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It does not matter about the errors as no one questions them, and if you do you are a nutty CT who believes in reptile royalty and flat earth.


My only question on the Nice one was the clean truck. and all I get are well you don't always get blood so its possible. Yes I get that its possible for one, two hey even ten people if you like not to have blood but over 200 ?

Witnesses say they see carnage, someone decapitated, disembowelled limbs flying off carnage like a battle field, blood everywhere and yet no blood on the truck Were these witnesses lying, as people here are saying the truck was not going fast so its possible, yet again witnesses saying the truck was doing crazy speeds swerving from side to side so to get more people..

People are so fast to dismiss anything remotely CT that they do not stop and think and see that, yes, it is a little strange, they will instead criticise anyone who dares to question anything making people to scared to speak up for fear of ridicule.

The emperors clothes spring to mind.

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?
So what you are saying, if true, is that the Nice truck attack didn't happen?

Ok then this a truly extraordinary claim. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So in the spirit of the truth that you seek can you answer me the following.

Did, or did not, 87 people die on that day? If not what happened to them, and where are they now? And if they did die, but not by the truck attack, then what method of execution was used? And who was it exactly that the grieving relatives buried?

Where 484 people not injured on that day with varying degrees of severity? Do you not think that if some other form of weapon was being used at least one of these survivors would have noticed a super stealth ninja assassin quietly dismembering them?

And this doesn't take into account the hundreds of non dead and non injured who witnessed the attack, on Bastille Day, a national celebration that has been held on the same day for decades. Where these all crisis actors who have remained steadfastly "on script" since that day?

As it would by churlish of me to ask you to answer questions without doing so myself I will state my position. On that day I believe that an Islamic terrorist killed and maimed dozens of people with a truck with malice of forethought and clear intent.

As you have questioned the event what do you believe happened?
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:09
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So what you are saying, if true, is that the Nice truck attack didn't happen?

Ok then this a truly extraordinary claim. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So in the spirit of the truth that you seek can you answer me the following.

Did, or did not, 87 people die on that day? If not what happened to them, and where are they now? And if they did die, but not by the truck attack, then what method of execution was used? And who was it exactly that the grieving relatives buried?

Where 484 people not injured on that day with varying degrees of severity? Do you not think that if some other form of weapon was being used at least one of these survivors would have noticed a super stealth ninja assassin quietly dismembering them?

And this doesn't take into account the hundreds of non dead and non injured who witnessed the attack, on Bastille Day, a national celebration that has been held on the same day for decades. Where these all crisis actors who have remained steadfastly "on script" since that day?

As it would by churlish of me to ask you to answer questions without doing so myself I will state my position. On that day I believe that an Islamic terrorist killed and maimed dozens of people with a truck with malice of forethought and clear intent.

As you have questioned the event what do you believe happened?
They have a stash of dead bodies and patients stolen from hospitals that they place around the trucks. Oddly no one sees this occurring.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:11
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They have a stash of dead bodies and patients stolen from hospitals that they place around the trucks. Oddly no one sees this occurring.
A new breed of ninja? The super stealth cadaver carriers?
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:25
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A new breed of ninja? The super stealth cadaver carriers?
The same group that found babies that would resemble the Obamas so Michelle wouldn't have to give birth.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:06
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It does not matter about the errors as no one questions them, and if you do you are a nutty CT who believes in reptile royalty and flat earth.


My only question on the Nice one was the clean truck. and all I get are well you don't always get blood so its possible. Yes I get that its possible for one, two hey even ten people if you like not to have blood but over 200 ?

Witnesses say they see carnage, someone decapitated, disembowelled limbs flying off carnage like a battle field, blood everywhere and yet no blood on the truck Were these witnesses lying, as people here are saying the truck was not going fast so its possible, yet again witnesses saying the truck was doing crazy speeds swerving from side to side so to get more people..

People are so fast to dismiss anything remotely CT that they do not stop and think and see that, yes, it is a little strange, they will instead criticise anyone who dares to question anything making people to scared to speak up for fear of ridicule.

The emperors clothes spring to mind.

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?
What exactly is your point?

Are you saying that you're just surprised that there was no obvious blood on the truck but acknowledge there was such a terrorist attack in Nice, or are you saying there wasn't an attack as described because there was no obvious blood?

Those are two completely different things.

You're pussy-footing around the issue by making statements to the effect that (quote) "it's not possible" and "I'm not buying that" whilst acting all hurt because people are treating you as a typical conspiracy theorist.

You question whether people believe that some witnesses were lying (and with that number of witnesses you're always going to get those who are mistaken, who misjudge speeds, distances etc., who exaggerate, or who use emotive language such as 'doing crazy speeds') yet you seem to be suggesting that all the witnesses were lying.

It's typical of many conspiracy theorists to cling on to one point which they use to suggest that it must have been fake, whilst studiously ignoring all other evidence and desperately avoiding making a direct claim because they know that the balance of evidence is against them.

So, if you don't want to be seen as a 'nutty CT' the solution is in your hands. Do you believe it happened as described or was it faked?
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:34
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It does not matter about the errors as no one questions them, and if you do you are a nutty CT who believes in reptile royalty and flat earth.


My only question on the Nice one was the clean truck. and all I get are well you don't always get blood so its possible. Yes I get that its possible for one, two hey even ten people if you like not to have blood but over 200 ?

Witnesses say they see carnage, someone decapitated, disembowelled limbs flying off carnage like a battle field, blood everywhere and yet no blood on the truck Were these witnesses lying, as people here are saying the truck was not going fast so its possible, yet again witnesses saying the truck was doing crazy speeds swerving from side to side so to get more people..

People are so fast to dismiss anything remotely CT that they do not stop and think and see that, yes, it is a little strange, they will instead criticise anyone who dares to question anything making people to scared to speak up for fear of ridicule.

The emperors clothes spring to mind.

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?
But that happened after they went under the truck. Have you examined the underneath of the truck?

The only other option is that it was staged, which is nonsense. But if they did stage it, why would they miss such detail if it's so crucial?

Frankly you are coming accross as a little crazy, sorry.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:38
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What exactly is your point?

Are you saying that you're just surprised that there was no obvious blood on the truck but acknowledge there was such a terrorist attack in Nice, or are you saying there wasn't an attack as described because there was no obvious blood?

Those are two completely different things.

You're pussy-footing around the issue by making statements to the effect that (quote) "it's not possible" and "I'm not buying that" whilst acting all hurt because people are treating you as a typical conspiracy theorist.

You question whether people believe that some witnesses were lying (and with that number of witnesses you're always going to get those who are mistaken, who misjudge speeds, distances etc., who exaggerate, or who use emotive language such as 'doing crazy speeds') yet you seem to be suggesting that all the witnesses were lying.

It's typical of many conspiracy theorists to cling on to one point which they use to suggest that it must have been fake, whilst studiously ignoring all other evidence and desperately avoiding making a direct claim because they know that the balance of evidence is against them.

So, if you don't want to be seen as a 'nutty CT' the solution is in your hands. Do you believe it happened as described or was it faked?
His attempt to distance himself from 'nutty CT' type in order to give his theory credibility doesn't wash with me. He also used the term 'the emperor has not clothes', which says a lot. It will be the standard 'wake up people' next.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:52
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What exactly is your point?

Are you saying that you're just surprised that there was no obvious blood on the truck but acknowledge there was such a terrorist attack in Nice, or are you saying there wasn't an attack as described because there was no obvious blood?

Those are two completely different things.

You're pussy-footing around the issue by making statements to the effect that (quote) "it's not possible" and "I'm not buying that" whilst acting all hurt because people are treating you as a typical conspiracy theorist.

You question whether people believe that some witnesses were lying (and with that number of witnesses you're always going to get those who are mistaken, who misjudge speeds, distances etc., who exaggerate, or who use emotive language such as 'doing crazy speeds') yet you seem to be suggesting that all the witnesses were lying.

It's typical of many conspiracy theorists to cling on to one point which they use to suggest that it must have been fake, whilst studiously ignoring all other evidence and desperately avoiding making a direct claim because they know that the balance of evidence is against them.

So, if you don't want to be seen as a 'nutty CT' the solution is in your hands. Do you believe it happened as described or was it faked?
My point is

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?


Its not like things have never been faked before is it? . I don't know what to believe really as no one discusses things, just throws out the same old crap. I don't believe something could happen (200 people hit, no blood) .. so therefore I think the 1st lady is a man, the queen is a lizard, the earth is flat, we didn't go to the moon..


Its like me telling everyone here to go back to your soaps, BB and other reality shows just because we are posting on a forum mainly for TV it does not mean you all watch the crap that is the most popular here. Does it?

Its very clear that questions are not welcomed on this forum. because if you do not believe everything, then you don't believe anything. No deviation from the script allowed
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:56
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My point is

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?


Its not like things have never been faked before is it? . I don't know what to believe really as no one discusses things, just throws out the same old crap. I don't believe something could happen (200 people hit, no blood) .. so therefore I think the 1st lady is a man, the queen is a lizard, the earth is flat, we didn't go to the moon..


Its like me telling everyone here to go back to your soaps, BB and other reality shows just because we are posting on a forum mainly for TV it does not mean you all watch the crap that is the most popular here. Does it?

Its very clear that questions are not welcomed on this forum. because if you do not believe everything, then you don't believe anything. No deviation from the script allowed
Saying that some things have been faked, and that almost everything that occurs is the result of the government wanting to impose martial law or take over the country, is quite different.

Also insulting to the family who have actual members killed.

What is this no blood thing anyway. Sounds highly unlikely.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:07
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Journalist Richard Gutjahr who was Trained by CNN is the guy who took the lorry video in Nice he also videoed the Munich attack a week later .His daughter Thamina Stoll who lives in the USA was also at Munich and videoed some of the attack .



https://www.journalism.co.uk/video/h.../s400/a658883/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhrU42iInKI
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:10
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On the other hand, I wouldn't assume that if he had been acting alone that his response to being arrested would necessarily be "it's a fair cop, it was me what done it, guv'nor." The "patsy" claim is broadly neutral.

His being shot and killed might indeed suggest that he was working with (or mor likely for) others, but if that was the case I feel reasonably sure that none of his co-conspirators played an active role in shooting JFK. Certainly I've found all the claims of specific additional shooters less than convincing.

I always thought that Lyndon Johnson and the ultra right were behind the Kennedy assassination, the only way they could gain power. And Robert had to be removed because he knew the truth
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:13
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I always thought that Lyndon Johnson and the ultra right were behind the Kennedy assassination, the only way they could gain power. And Robert had to be removed because he knew the truth
JFK is a more acceptable conspiracy theory. Lyndon Johnson was not ultra right though.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:33
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My point is

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?


Its not like things have never been faked before is it? . I don't know what to believe really as no one discusses things, just throws out the same old crap. I don't believe something could happen (200 people hit, no blood) .. so therefore I think the 1st lady is a man, the queen is a lizard, the earth is flat, we didn't go to the moon..


Its like me telling everyone here to go back to your soaps, BB and other reality shows just because we are posting on a forum mainly for TV it does not mean you all watch the crap that is the most popular here. Does it?

Its very clear that questions are not welcomed on this forum. because if you do not believe everything, then you don't believe anything. No deviation from the script allowed
Ignorance is not a good basis for a theory, especially such an extreme one.

I don't understand the jet engine. But that doesn't mean I think air travel is faked.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:38
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Definitely the Sandy Hook one..who comes up with these?! Also read one on how Dunblane was also faked which is where the idea for this came from. All the parents actors and the children didn't exist something like that..going on how the acting from parents wasn't convincing enough in photos!

Mean seriously?! Who comes up with it to start with them who goes onto believe!!!
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:45
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The david icke forum idiots have already declared the Turkey shootings as faked
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:17
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My point is

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?


Its not like things have never been faked before is it? . I don't know what to believe really as no one discusses things, just throws out the same old crap. I don't believe something could happen (200 people hit, no blood) .. so therefore I think the 1st lady is a man, the queen is a lizard, the earth is flat, we didn't go to the moon..


Its like me telling everyone here to go back to your soaps, BB and other reality shows just because we are posting on a forum mainly for TV it does not mean you all watch the crap that is the most popular here. Does it?

Its very clear that questions are not welcomed on this forum. because if you do not believe everything, then you don't believe anything. No deviation from the script allowed
So, you don't know what to believe but you don't believe it could have happened without there being any blood.

Well, that's cleared it up.

As for all this over-dramatic stuff about questions not being welcomed, has it not occurred to you that "It's not possible" and "I'm not buying that" are statements, not questions? Time and time again I see people making definitive statements about this couldn't have happened or that couldn't have happened, but as soon as they're challenged they desperately try to hide behind the "Oh, so I'm not allowed to ask questions" nonsense.

In addition, this tired old mantra of "Its not like things have never been faked before is it?" mantra ... is that supposed to be evidence of something? After all, it's not as though there haven't been terrorist attacks before, is it?
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:26
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His attempt to distance himself from 'nutty CT' type in order to give his theory credibility doesn't wash with me. He also used the term 'the emperor has not clothes', which says a lot. It will be the standard 'wake up people' next.
Quite a lot of truthiness about the username too...

The word "truth" (or variations of it) is often a warning sign, in the same way that the word "freedom" used in connection with a political position invariably involves the curtailment of somebody else's freedom.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:36
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None of them annoy me as such. I think they make life more colourful and interesting. They're the modern version of myth and folklore.

Perhaps ones like Sandy Hook are in dubious taste and distasteful though.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:45
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My point is

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?


Its not like things have never been faked before is it? . I don't know what to believe really as no one discusses things, just throws out the same old crap. I don't believe something could happen (200 people hit, no blood) .. so therefore I think the 1st lady is a man, the queen is a lizard, the earth is flat, we didn't go to the moon..


Its like me telling everyone here to go back to your soaps, BB and other reality shows just because we are posting on a forum mainly for TV it does not mean you all watch the crap that is the most popular here. Does it?

Its very clear that questions are not welcomed on this forum. because if you do not believe everything, then you don't believe anything. No deviation from the script allowed
To answer your question directly - no there was nothing about the terrorist attacks that made me think hold on a moment. In the case of Nice I believe that an Islamic terrorist drove his lorry into a large crowd with the intention of killing as many people as possible. I'm fully comfortable in this belief, but I remain open to persuasion should you, or any other sceptic, provide one single shred of credible evidence to the contrary.

Questions are of course welcome on the forum. You have been asked several yourself but you don't seem to be able, or willing to answer them.


http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

Didn't you have similar opinions about the recent Berlin attacks?
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:48
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It does not matter about the errors as no one questions them, and if you do you are a nutty CT who believes in reptile royalty and flat earth.


My only question on the Nice one was the clean truck. and all I get are well you don't always get blood so its possible. Yes I get that its possible for one, two hey even ten people if you like not to have blood but over 200 ?

Witnesses say they see carnage, someone decapitated, disembowelled limbs flying off carnage like a battle field, blood everywhere and yet no blood on the truck Were these witnesses lying, as people here are saying the truck was not going fast so its possible, yet again witnesses saying the truck was doing crazy speeds swerving from side to side so to get more people..

People are so fast to dismiss anything remotely CT that they do not stop and think and see that, yes, it is a little strange, they will instead criticise anyone who dares to question anything making people to scared to speak up for fear of ridicule.

The emperors clothes spring to mind.

Is there nothing about any of the terrorists attacks that make you think (later) "hold on a moment"?
When did you get to inspect the truck? Your suggestion is ridiculous and horribly disrespectful. Learn something about the human impact zone on a truck of that height and the effects on the human body of impact and any bleeding out, instead of believing ignorant CT "investigations". There certainly doesn't have to be blood on any vehicle from the impact and it's more unlikely.
The trucks front panel wasn't even left on it for anyone to make up ignorant CT theories about that. The terrible injuries and deaths were mainly caused by being dragged and stuck under it.
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