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Old 02-01-2017, 16:27
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I think the JFK conspiracy is the one most likely to be true. Not all conspiracy theories are made up nonsense.
No I think Diana being murdered is more likely to be true than even the JFK conspiracy.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:30
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To answer your question directly - no there was nothing about the terrorist attacks that made me think hold on a moment. In the case of Nice I believe that an Islamic terrorist drove his lorry into a large crowd with the intention of killing as many people as possible. I'm fully comfortable in this belief, but I remain open to persuasion should you, or any other sceptic, provide one single shred of credible evidence to the contrary.

Questions are of course welcome on the forum. You have been asked several yourself but you don't seem to be able, or willing to answer them.


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Didn't you have similar opinions about the recent Berlin attacks
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Not that I know of.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:39
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When did you get to inspect the truck? Your suggestion is ridiculous and horribly disrespectful. Learn something about the human impact zone on a truck of that height and the effects on the human body of impact and any bleeding out, instead of believing ignorant CT "investigations". There certainly doesn't have to be blood on any vehicle from the impact and it's more unlikely.
The trucks front panel wasn't even left on it for anyone to make up ignorant CT theories about that. The terrible injuries and deaths were mainly caused by being dragged and stuck under it.

The front of the truck come off earlier im not sure when though, someone said it was during a impact with a barrier .. but not looked into that and that isnt my question.

How many accidents have you attended? Ive already said its not unusual to not have blood on the vehicle BUT a truck swerving side to side hitting over 200 people it would be very strange not to have any blood at all.

You don't think so, that is fair enough.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:47
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Not that I know of.
OK. Let me remind you. Here's the thread


http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2194628

You certainly seem to be questioning the attack and the guilt of the perpetrator.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:59
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OK. Let me remind you. Here's the thread


http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2194628

You certainly seem to be questioning the attack and the guilt of the perpetrator.
Did I question the attack? I know I was a bit peeved at someone saying "Good one less to worry about" that someone was shot without knowing all the details and if it was the right person. Oh and incredulous that once again a passport was found.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:04
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Did I question the attack? I know I was a bit peeved at someone saying "Good one less to worry about" that someone was shot without knowing all the details and if it was the right person. Oh and incredulous that once again a passport was found.
Then if you didn't question the attack you accept it was the work of an Islamic terrorist?

Yes or no.

Was the Nice attack also the work of an Islamic terrorist?

Yes or no.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:07
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Journalist Richard Gutjahr who was Trained by CNN is the guy who took the lorry video in Nice he also videoed the Munich attack a week later .His daughter Thamina Stoll who lives in the USA was also at Munich and videoed some of the attack .



https://www.journalism.co.uk/video/h.../s400/a658883/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhrU42iInKI
Sounds a bit like that kid who was at and survived three or so of these 'events' (I'm sure many will remember that).

I always thought that Lyndon Johnson and the ultra right were behind the Kennedy assassination, the only way they could gain power. And Robert had to be removed because he knew the truth
Johnson was involved - he was looking at impeachment as V-P before he was sworn in as President (on the plane as they committed a Federal crime removing JFK's body to Maryland for an autopsy when US law says it had to have taken place locally).

The david icke forum idiots have already declared the Turkey shootings as faked
Icke's a useful idiot to these people because anything he says is automatically rejected by most folks (even though he does get some things very right). AFAIK most genuine posters on his forum were banned a year or two back by his masonic gatekeeper (the guy who destroyed his internet TV station and then ran off to the States with all the money), so just leaving (mostly) nutjobs who are even more clueless and give him an even worse name, (though I don't say he doesn't deserve it - he doesn't convince me he's really genuine). Job done!

A conspiracy theory becomes really annoying when it simultaneously embraces the notions that "they" have the ability and resources to plan and execute such an elaborate plot... but are also so stupid that it's riddled with schoolboy errors.
Is there some universal law/force that says psycopaths (and those working for them) are immune to making mistakes? Anyway, it seems that some things - 'riddled with schoolboy errors' - are accepted by some anyway - 'oh it can't be a conspiracy because they made obvious mistakes' - WTF?

Why was every poll wrong at predicting that Hillary Clinton would win the Presidency
Every pollster I followed (not the usual suspects naturally) had Trump winning by a landslide, the same with Brexit. But, some would argue, it needs to look 'close'. It hampers what Trump can do (even if he's genuine and not already a part of what he argued against) and muddies the waters, leaving things open to change/challenge by politicians (Brexit).

I have not looked into the Sandy hook attack.

My own personal "elephant in the room" is the Nice truck. How does a truck that maimed and killed over 200 people stay so clean. Anyone who has ever hit a deer or a person or seen a road accident knows how far flesh and blood go.
We had people disembowelled, decapitated, limbs ripped off and yet the truck is clean. That makes my head hurt as I know its not possible and yet everyone believes it is.
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Great post and sorry for snipping (just for the length of my post here) - I agree with every word. It's exactly the same as the Russian Diplomat 'assassinated' in Turkey. Six shots wasn't it, and the first to his head? Get shot in the head and you'll immediately crumple into a pile on the floor. But oh no, this guy first looked a bit surprised, and then lay down nice and neat in a perfect 'cross' position. No blood whatsoever. Instead of running for their lives (just about the most proven response of all human behaviour) the camera folk carried on filming the assassin (who apparently evaded security on his way in with his weapons because he said he wasn't going to go through the metal detector). Still at least they showed blood all around him when he was killed - they got something right.

Hang on I just need to pop out and feed my unicorn some fairy dust...I'll be back shortly...

Fake news is a very different beast from a conspiracy theory.

You can do the experiment on land. Sit in a wheelchair with the brakes off and a pile of bricks on your lap. Proceed to throw the bricks in front of you. You will move backwards in accordance with the same physical laws that rockets rely on. If you can minimise the friction by running on rails, the experiment will work even better.

C is just a number. Of course you can square it. The equation (of itself) tells you nothing about C as the ultimate speed limit. It does tell you that mass and energy are different forms of the same thing.

You could start one. Or you could ask here.
Fake news is the new meme now that 'conspiracy theory' (coined by the CIA a year or two before JFK I repeat in case you missed it) doesn't hold any water, and they've been at it - hard - for weeks now.

Why the **** would I do an experiment on land to 'prove' how things 'work' in the vacuum of space? A wheelchair and some bricks in an atmosphere compared to a rocket in a vacuum, are you serious?

C is 'just a number'? Einstein told us it's the speed of light, no? And those 'in the know' almost unanimously say you can't go faster. So how the **** do you square it? Or is it just theoretical? In which case (which I'm quite prepared to accept) it's NOT something that should or even could be accepted as truth - and yet it seems to be. One might call it a 'conspiracy theory' in fact!
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:21
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On a different note, I've been looking into the flat Earth theory quite a lot the last few days and I think there are many valid questions of the model we've been taught (that the Earth is a globe and we revolve around the sun).

However I've also seen a video where a 'flat earther' and a scientist debate, and that was very interesting. They couldn't agree, but they could agree to disagree. The scientist offered many convincing arguments I must say (but then that model has been going for 500+ years, and been changed numerous times when objections were brought up - flat Earth has only been going for a few years).

I'm not that bothered myself as I already am spiritual so it makes no odds to me if we learn that after all the whole universe revolves around us (I wouldn't be surprised, but it'd be a huge shock to an awful lot of folk).

What I did chuckle about was the scientist being shown the Japanese 'fly over the moon' footage and admit he thought it looked completely fake, but that he didn't believe it was fake!!!
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:27
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Sounds a bit like that kid who was at and survived three or so of these 'events' (I'm sure many will remember that).
Crisis actor loonery, presumably? Not many are gullible enough to fall for that.

Is there some universal law/force that says psycopaths (and those working for them) are immune to making mistakes? Anyway, it seems that some things - 'riddled with schoolboy errors' - are accepted by some anyway - 'oh it can't be a conspiracy because they made obvious mistakes' - WTF?
No, we point out that what conspiracy theorists see as "mistakes" are simply reality - that thing which conspiracy theorists reject. And we further point out that if they really were mistakes (the waving flag on the moon, for example), it would be rather absurd to imagine that such an elaborate and expensive conspiracy would make them.

Fake news is the new meme now that 'conspiracy theory' (coined by the CIA a year or two before JFK I repeat in case you missed it) doesn't hold any water, and they've been at it - hard - for weeks now.
It really isn't. Fake news is where some Macedonian teenager knocks up a fake news website in his bedroom, writes an article claiming that the Pope has endorsed Donald Trump, and gullible idiots believe it and share it with other gullible idiots on Facebook.


Why the **** would I do an experiment on land to 'prove' how things 'work' in the vacuum of space? A wheelchair and some bricks in an atmosphere compared to a rocket in a vacuum, are you serious?

C is 'just a number'? Einstein told us it's the speed of light, no? And those 'in the know' almost unanimously say you can't go faster. So how the **** do you square it? Or is it just theoretical? In which case (which I'm quite prepared to accept) it's NOT something that should or even could be accepted as truth - and yet it seems to be. One might call it a 'conspiracy theory' in fact!
I can see that physics is as incomprehensible to you as the rest of reality. I won't waste my time trying to educate you about it!
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:29
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On a different note, I've been looking into the flat Earth theory quite a lot the last few days and I think there are many valid questions of the model we've been taught (that the Earth is a globe and we revolve around the sun).
Well, I can't say that came as a great surprise. You can't even understand conservation of momentum.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:36
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I can see that physics is as incomprehensible to you as the rest of reality. I won't waste my time trying to educate you about it!
Well if you're not prepared to try to help me find a greater understanding of things that don't presently make sense on any level (I am not an eedjit - I am hoping to do my PhD at Cambridge or Oxford), and you're just going to offer ad hominem attacks, I thank you in advance for not troubling me any further!
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:39
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Well if you're not prepared to try to help me find a greater understanding of things that don't presently make sense on any level (I am not an eedjit - I am hoping to do my PhD at Cambridge or Oxford), and you're just going to offer ad hominem attacks, I thank you in advance for not troubling me any further!
What are you doing your PhD in? And which particular Oxbridge institution are you looking at?
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:44
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JFK is a more acceptable conspiracy theory. Lyndon Johnson was not ultra right though.

Compared to the Kennedys he certainly was, bit like IDS v Ted Heath
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:44
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Well if you're not prepared to try to help me find a greater understanding of things that don't make sense on any level, and you're just going to offer ad hominem attacks, I thank you in advance for not troubling me any further!
On the basis that your response to a poster describing an experiment which demonstrate the principle was 'why the **** would I do that?' and 'are you serious?' I don't see a great deal of enthusiasm for finding 'a greater understanding of things'!

In this quest to gain further knowledge, have you actually Googled 'how rockets work'?
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:45
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Well if you're not prepared to try to help me find a greater understanding of things that don't presently make sense on any level (I am not an eedjit - I am hoping to do my PhD at Cambridge or Oxford), and you're just going to offer ad hominem attacks, I thank you in advance for not troubling me any further!
They do PhDs in conspiracy ideation now? What a time to be alive!

Conservation of momentum is very basic stuff, and my suggestion for an experiment that demonstrates it on Earth was perfectly reasonable, unless you plan on travelling to the ISS. Then again, you presumably think the ISS is a hoax, now that you are a flat-Earther.

I could derive E=mc^2 for you, but I doubt it would help.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:56
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If only people did as much research in actual science instead of getting their information from dodgy websites we'd all be better off.

But science can be a very difficult subject to study and at times counter-intuitive, so it's much easier to say "It doesn't make sense so it must be wrong" than it is to put in the hard work.

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Old 02-01-2017, 18:04
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Then again, you presumably think the ISS is a hoax
No, just their attacks.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:05
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Is there some universal law/force that says psycopaths (and those working for them) are immune to making mistakes?
Taking as an example the current discussion of the "clean white truck". Why would the putative conspirators not do some fairly basic research to establish the expected condition of a truck that had collided with multiple pedestrians, and make sure that their truck matched that condition?

'oh it can't be a conspiracy because they made obvious mistakes' - WTF?
It's more likely that what looks like a mistake isn't reallt a mistake - it's more a case of real life not being like the movies.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:14
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If the Earth is really flat... what's the point of pretending it's round? Who benefits? And how?
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:20
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If the Earth is really flat... what's the point of pretending it's round? Who benefits? And how?
I never worked that one out.
But my sat nav does work - but presumably it should not work.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:25
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If the Earth is really flat... what's the point of pretending it's round? Who benefits? And how?
Anyone who claims to be able to put anything in orbit around it, presumably. Just don't ask for details.

I used to argue on the sci.physics usenet group with someone who insisted that the theory of relativity was a conspiracy perpetrated by physicists. I think GPS was part of the scam.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:37
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The front of the truck come off earlier im not sure when though, someone said it was during a impact with a barrier .. but not looked into that and that isnt my question.

How many accidents have you attended? Ive already said its not unusual to not have blood on the vehicle BUT a truck swerving side to side hitting over 200 people it would be very strange not to have any blood at all.

You don't think so, that is fair enough.
Now you claim to know that the truck didn't have any blood on it at all?
You really did inspect it that night when the scum was shot!

Bastille Day in Nice, masses of people involved in the celebrations as usual. They're all lying and so far no-one has told us the truth. Countless films of him mowing people down and even from hotel balconies and windows on the promenade, all false.
Yes it makes perfect sense, it was a conspiracy.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:39
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I used to argue on the sci.physics usenet group with someone who insisted that the theory of relativity was a conspiracy perpetrated by physicists. I think GPS was part of the scam.
My (earlier) point exactly. Who are these 'physicists'? They make their profession so difficult that only other physicists can join. It's not like all the information is out there, available for all to study, experimentally replicable, totally transparent and peer-reviewed, is it? Elitists!
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:48
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My (earlier) point exactly. Who are these 'physicists'? They make their profession so difficult that only other physicists can join. It's not like all the information is out there, available for all to study, experimentally replicable, totally transparent and peer-reviewed, is it? Elitists!
I might have to search for the posts. There was one full-blown crackpot who had his own alternative theory that met his "common sense" requirement. And then there was a chap for whom even negative numbers were part of an elitist plot to hide reality from the masses. It seemed unfair to trouble him with complex numbers.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:33
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Sounds a bit like that kid who was at and survived three or so of these 'events' (I'm sure many will remember that).


That was crisis actor Mason Wells he survived 3 attacks Brussels , Paris and the Boston bombings .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-attacks.html
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