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Nobody? The Irish used to be so feisty and argumentative. What's happened to them?
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Mainly because people trust the High Court to deal with the appeal fairly. Even if a referendum result is overturned, then so what? Some would say that is a fine example of the legal system at work. The referendum on whatever subject can simply be held again.
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This is a joke, right? And that's the punchline. Well done, I didn't see it coming.
![]() In the case of Gina Miller of course, she's not appealing the referendum result at all - her appeal is on the entirely separate matter of whether Article 50 needs to be triggered by Parliament. |
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A referendum is simply a consultation process between the government and the public where they are canvassing them on their 'advice' on a particular issue. If for some reason, the holding of the referendum was found to be legally flawed on some technical issue, the simple thing to do would be to declare the result invalid and re-run it again a few months later.
In the case of Gina Miller of course, she's not appealing the referendum result at all - her appeal is on the entirely separate matter of whether Article 50 needs to be triggered by Parliament. After speaking at a Mishcon de Reya diversity seminar in late June, she was approached by a partner at the law firm about bringing an Article 50 legal challenge. “Next morning I was in their office for five hours,” she said or is it On the night of the EU referendum Gina Miller slept for 36 minutes. “I know, because my husband gave me this watch that tracks my sleep,” she says, waving a slim wrist bearing an elegant Withings watch. Her husband and business partner, Alan Miller, went to sleep, but she sat in bed beside him in their south London home watching television At 4am she was “physically sick” as she tried to take in what the UK had voted for. By breakfast, however, Ms Miller’s brain was clunking into gear. When her 11-year-old son heard the news, he said: “But you’re going to do something, Mummy, you always do.” “And I said, ‘I’m not promising anything, but I will talk to some lawyers’.” |
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Though I do wish she would pick a version of her story and stick to it
After speaking at a Mishcon de Reya diversity seminar in late June, she was approached by a partner at the law firm about bringing an Article 50 legal challenge. “Next morning I was in their office for five hours,” she said or is it On the night of the EU referendum Gina Miller slept for 36 minutes. “I know, because my husband gave me this watch that tracks my sleep,” she says, waving a slim wrist bearing an elegant Withings watch. Her husband and business partner, Alan Miller, went to sleep, but she sat in bed beside him in their south London home watching television At 4am she was “physically sick” as she tried to take in what the UK had voted for. By breakfast, however, Ms Miller’s brain was clunking into gear. When her 11-year-old son heard the news, he said: “But you’re going to do something, Mummy, you always do.” “And I said, ‘I’m not promising anything, but I will talk to some lawyers’.” |
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Which can include challenging the government in the courts.
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You are getting the "why" and the "what" mixed up.
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The point is that he didn't that 52-48 was satisfactorily accurately measuring the will of the people.
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No I simply said I wish she would pick a version of how she came to bring the action and stick to it , one is that she told her son after he asked her to do something when he approached her the morning after the vote that she would speak to lawyers . She says in another interview she brought the action after she was approached by lawyers to bring the action but no mention of her son
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The point he made was that a party can still exist to have a policy of leaving the EU, just as a party can exist to have a policy of staying in or joining the EU. Either can exist and seek the electorate's support at a general election. We have never had a party whose policy was we will join the EU. All politics is unfinished business
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The point he made was that a party can still exist to have a policy of leaving the EU, just as a party can exist to have a policy of staying in or joining the EU. Either can exist and seek the electorate's support at a general election. We have never had a party whose policy was we will join the EU. All politics is unfinished business
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Indeed, as the will of the people can change. The referendum was months ago now.
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Apart from in the 1983 general election until UKIP came along we didn't actually have any major party standing in almost every seat supporting leaving the EU. People had no choice but to vote for pro EU parties.
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None of which has any bearing on the rights and wrongs of the case.
Having said that about her she certainly did not deserve the morons who have threatened her safety |
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Indeed it was and EU supporting parties can be formed and work to join the EU as a policy and be voted for at a general election. Nothing wrong with that at all, that is democracy in action and if the democratic route had been taken within the last 25 years we would not now be here.
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Until 1992 we never really had an EU for them to make that decision about.
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Apart from in the 1983 general election until UKIP came along we didn't actually have any major party standing in almost every seat supporting leaving the EU. People had no choice but to vote for pro EU parties.
UKIP to give them some credit did precisely that (and I speak as a person diametrically opposed to their beliefs). Likewise they were free to campaign within the existing political parties for them to advocate an anti-ECs/EU membership line as indeed Labour did in 1983. |
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A referendum is simply a consultation process between the government and the public where they are canvassing them on their 'advice' on a particular issue. If for some reason, the holding of the referendum was found to be legally flawed on some technical issue, the simple thing to do would be to declare the result invalid and re-run it again a few months later.
In the case of Gina Miller of course, she's not appealing the referendum result at all - her appeal is on the entirely separate matter of whether Article 50 needs to be triggered by Parliament. Also the govt STATED on literature sent out at the time that they would abide by the result. This was not an advisory referendum. |
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Also the govt STATED on literature sent out at the time that they would abide by the result.
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Indeed, as the will of the people can change. The referendum was months ago now.
I suspect that having seen the rude and downright sulky behaviour of the EU after June the brexit vote would increase in another referendum, not that that is going to happen |
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And the Leave campaign put on leaflets that they would give £350 million a week to the NHS. It's all as meaningless.
We will have 350 million we could spend it how we want. Even as an out voter I never for one minute believed that 350 a week would go to the nhs, neither do any of my Brexit friends. It just meant we would have that money to do with as the uk govt choose not the EU |
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It won't.
I suspect that having seen the rude and downright sulky behaviour of the EU after June the brexit vote would increase in another referendum, not that that is going to happen What you've probably seen is people lying about who or what has said what and uncritically believed it; that's why referenda are a bad idea. |
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Most of us appreciated that as a sound bite.
We will have 350 million we could spend it how we want. Even as an out voter I never for one minute believed that 350 a week would go to the nhs, neither do any of my Brexit friends. It just meant we would have that money to do with as the uk govt choose not the EU |
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Most of us appreciated that as a sound bite.
We will have 350 million we could spend it how we want. Even as an out voter I never for one minute believed that 350 a week would go to the nhs, neither do any of my Brexit friends. It just meant we would have that money to do with as the uk govt choose not the EU |
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"Why don't we spend it on the NHS instead" seems a pretty clear promise to me. Not ambiguous in the slightest, so all this wriggling like slimy things to deny the promise is laughable.
However much leavers want to squirm over the 350 million thing, it was splashed over buses, leaflets, websites... would have been a major factor in how many people voted. You can't just brush it off however much you'd like to. |
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