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The spirit of the law means literally nothing.
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While I don't approve of the OPs personal comments this latest effort to get the Lords to vote down article 50 is just too much.
The elected Commons will have spoken and the people will have spoken via a referendum - the unelected appointed Lords have no business voting down article 50. It would create a constitutional crisis and would be a democratic outrage. I am sick of politicians saying they respect the vote on 23 June. It's time they just OBEYED it. http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/gina...11364128312060 |
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While I don't approve of the OPs personal comments this latest effort to get the Lords to vote down article 50 is just too much.
The elected Commons will have spoken and the people will have spoken via a referendum - the unelected appointed Lords have no business voting down article 50. It would create a constitutional crisis and would be a democratic outrage. I am sick of politicians saying they respect the vote on 23 June. It's time they just OBEYED it. http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/gina...11364128312060 |
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OP - please expand on why Miller is 'evil'- or are you simple throwing insults around as you don't have the intelligence to make cogent arguments?
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She correctly called the Leave side out on their BS and hypocrisy for claiming they wanted sovereignty restored to the British courts from the EU, but who then started attacking the judges and even calling them "traitors".
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This women is so evil and she is a friend of Merkel.
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She correctly called the Leave side out on their BS and hypocrisy for claiming they wanted sovereignty restored to the British courts from the EU, but who then started attacking the judges and even calling them "traitors".
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Ensuring the government is keeping to the law is evil apparently
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I'm afraid you have no idea what a parliamentary democracy is, means or what this case is actually about. Specifically, this is not (in any way shape or form) about "voting down" Article 50. Even your use of language is off; the SC dont "vote" for anything.
In the end it's just a tactic to attempt to derail and delay article 50 and thus Brexit. This speech by Jacob Rees Mogg makes the point excellently. There is nothing democratic about the House of Lords - it's the antithesis of it. We need an elected second chamber not a bunch of appointed political hasbeems, party donors, mates of party leaders and party officials who no one ever voted for. Let alone the 90 or so hereditaries who are only there as their ancestors were mates of Henry VIII. http://youtu.be/pgSPNcKbttM |
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Do you think Gina Miller and co are great champions of democracy - they didn't seem too worried when the royal prerogative was used to push through EU laws and regulations.
In the end it's just a tactic to attempt to derail and delay article 50 and thus Brexit. This speech by Jacob Rees Mogg makes the point excellently. There is nothing democratic about the House of Lords - it's the antithesis of it. We need an elected second chamber not a bunch of appointed political hasbeems, party donors, mates of party leaders and party officials who no one ever voted for. Let alone the 90 or so hereditaries who are only there as their ancestors were mates of Henry VIII. http://youtu.be/pgSPNcKbttM Luckily the glorious British public voted to reduce democracy by getting rid of elected MEPs and letting the unelected HoL have more influence. I suppose that's what sovereignty is about these days. Luckily people like Gina Miller are making sure the elected HoC still has some power, rather than a government elected by 36% making all the decisions. |
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This women is so evil and she is a friend of Merkel.
I thought I'd try to raise the level of debate in this thread, I think I succeeded. |
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hyperstarsponge smells of wee and has no friends.
I thought I'd try to raise the level of debate in this thread, I think I succeeded. |
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Do you think Gina Miller and co are great champions of democracy - they didn't seem too worried when the royal prerogative was used to push through EU laws and regulations.
In the end it's just a tactic to attempt to derail and delay article 50 and thus Brexit. This speech by Jacob Rees Mogg makes the point excellently. There is nothing democratic about the House of Lords - it's the antithesis of it. We need an elected second chamber not a bunch of appointed political hasbeems, party donors, mates of party leaders and party officials who no one ever voted for. Let alone the 90 or so hereditaries who are only there as their ancestors were mates of Henry VIII. http://youtu.be/pgSPNcKbttM |
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The biggest issue I have with Gina Miller is that she is a liar and a deceiver.
We all know that she cares nothing about the rule of law. She simply wants to stop our exit from the EU and is manipulating our justice system to do so. I would have more respect for her if she was honest about this. |
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Well the ref act was left very open and far from being a sound legal act it did not really deal with the after vote process. The act made no provision for the result to be legally binding on the government or on any future government. The result of the referendum was to be a single majority vote of the United Kingdom and Gibraltar with no super majorities, double majorities of the constituent countries or any minimum turnout threshold required for the vote to pass. The act did not specify any specific consequences that would follow the result of the referendum. In the event of a "Leave" vote, the government would decide whether, when, and under what circumstances, the UK would invoke Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union to begin a two-year process of negotiations for Britain to leave the EU. Since the act is also silent on the question of executive prerogative, the question of whether the government or Parliament must invoke Article 50 is the subject of ongoing court proceedings, currently on Appeal at the Supreme Court
The legal system in general is there to support wealthy people who can afford the best legal experts to fight their corner. Miller is an example of this and for me is no different to rich celebrities who have used the best legal experts to get themselves of charges by using loopholes in the law which are not available to the ordinary person. Government should not need Parliament to invoke article 50 because as far as the general public were concerned thats what the referendum was for. Its not really surprising that people are bit annoyed that wealthy person armed with some of the best legal experts is trying to derail that process. |
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The biggest issue I have with Gina Miller is that she is a liar and a deceiver.
We all know that she cares nothing about the rule of law. She simply wants to stop our exit from the EU and is manipulating our justice system to do so. I would have more respect for her if she was honest about this. |
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People voted in the referendum to either stay or leave the EU. The result was clear and that's what we should now do. Once we leave then people can argue over the terms of leaving.
The legal system in general is there to support wealthy people who can afford the best legal experts to fight their corner. Miller is an example of this and for me is no different to rich celebrities who have used the best legal experts to get themselves of charges by using loopholes in the law which are not available to the ordinary person. |
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The biggest issue I have with Gina Miller is that she is a liar and a deceiver.
We all know that she cares nothing about the rule of law. She simply wants to stop our exit from the EU and is manipulating our justice system to do so. I would have more respect for her if she was honest about this. |
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Government should not need Parliament to invoke article 50 because as far as the general public were concerned thats what the referendum was for. Its not really surprising that people are bit annoyed that wealthy person armed with some of the best legal experts is trying to derail that process.
Essentially leave voters called the Conservatives bluff and they've been found out, but that isn't an excuse to lurch headlong deeper into the mess we're already in. If we trigger Article 50 we should do it on the best terms put before the authority of our sovereign parliament, the one that people were so keen for when campaigning for "Brexit". |
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We know nothing of the sort. You are indulging in unpleasant speculation.
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People voted in the referendum to either stay or leave the EU. The result was clear and that's what we should now do. Once we leave then people can argue over the terms of leaving.
The legal system in general is there to support wealthy people who can afford the best legal experts to fight their corner. Miller is an example of this and for me is no different to rich celebrities who have used the best legal experts to get themselves of charges by using loopholes in the law which are not available to the ordinary person. Government should not need Parliament to invoke article 50 because as far as the general public were concerned thats what the referendum was for. Its not really surprising that people are bit annoyed that wealthy person armed with some of the best legal experts is trying to derail that process. |
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The biggest issue I have with Gina Miller is that she is a liar and a deceiver.
We all know that she cares nothing about the rule of law. She simply wants to stop our exit from the EU and is manipulating our justice system to do so. I would have more respect for her if she was honest about this. ![]()
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If she has spotted a glaring legal loophole, she is perfectly within her rights to mount a legal challenge - her personal political beliefs wouldn't be of much consequence (even though it would be safe to assume she is probably a strong Remainer). She doesn't need to justify her legal appeal to anyone.
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You and I can see this clearly, but remainers are so sweet and naïve they trust everyone. I tremble for them when they have to face life without the security blanket of the EU.
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