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You and I can see this clearly, but remainers are so sweet and naïve they trust everyone. I tremble for them when they have to face life without the security blanket of the EU.
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The biggest issue I have with Gina Miller is that she is a liar and a deceiver.
We all know that she cares nothing about the rule of law. She simply wants to stop our exit from the EU and is manipulating our justice system to do so. I would have more respect for her if she was honest about this. |
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People voted in the referendum to either stay or leave the EU. The result was clear and that's what we should now do. Once we leave then people can argue over the terms of leaving.
The legal system in general is there to support wealthy people who can afford the best legal experts to fight their corner. Miller is an example of this and for me is no different to rich celebrities who have used the best legal experts to get themselves of charges by using loopholes in the law which are not available to the ordinary person. Government should not need Parliament to invoke article 50 because as far as the general public were concerned thats what the referendum was for. Its not really surprising that people are bit annoyed that wealthy person armed with some of the best legal experts is trying to derail that process. And Miller is exerccising her legal right. |
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Well saying the court case is nothing to do with trying to stop the uk leaving the EU, and it was the government who did the ref act and that it was not legally binding in any way. I dont see how you can blame her. She has said that the law needs changing so that referendums are legally binding so if i were you i would take this fight up with your MP,
As for taking issues up with my MP do you really think any MPs listen to the ordinary person on the street? |
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Of course people are going to blame her. The country had a democratic vote regarding our membership of the of the EU. Vote has not gone her way and she has used her vast wealth to stop us leaving the EU. Not really democratic is it? Next people will be saying that its ok for criminals to use wealthy lawyers to get them off on legal technicalities regardless of whether they commit crimes or not
As for taking issues up with my MP do you really think any MPs listen to the ordinary person on the street? |
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We are going to leave.
And Miller is exerccising her legal right. |
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Of course people are going to blame her. The country had a democratic vote regarding our membership of the of the EU. Vote has not gone her way and she has used her vast wealth to stop us leaving the EU. Not really democratic is it? Next people will be saying that its ok for criminals to use wealthy lawyers to get them off on legal technicalities regardless of whether they commit crimes or not
As for taking issues up with my MP do you really think any MPs listen to the ordinary person on the street? |
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No, she's saying that the HoC should make the decision, rather than using the royal prerogative.
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No, she's saying that the HoC should make the decision, rather than using the royal prerogative.
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Well if i were you i would study the court case as its not about her trying to stop the uk leaving, as the uk is leaving. Uk parliament and uk courts are part of the democratic way or dont you agree ?
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She is trying to stop the EU ref result from happening.
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Shes hoping that there will never be an agreement in the HoC to the terms of Brexit and therefore it will never happen.
Ms Miller sought a High Court ruling on the legality of the Government 'triggering' Article 50 - which has to be done within the Constitutional requirements of the nation seeking to leave - without direct reference to Parliament. Ms Miller won her case - the Government appealed the decision, presumably in the hope that the decision may be overturned and that the Government could invoke Article 50 without reference to Parliament. {Or maybe it was just a ploy to buy time as Government has no real plan as the Tories are still all at sea because of a referendum result they never foresaw or bothered to consider.} The 'terms of Brexit' are an entirely separate matter, on which Jeremy Corbyn is, at last, voicing his view. Jeremy Corbyn has accused Theresa May of behaving like Henry VIII or a similar autocratic monarch because of her refusal to commit to putting a final Brexit deal to a vote in parliament. |
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If the UK is leaving then why do you need parliament to vote on it?
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Its not about parliament voting on it its about parliament being part of the proces which the government is trying not to have its the government who has tried to by pass parliament.
Why all these requests to outline the governments position on brexit if parliament is simply going to agree to the process? |
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It is a lighthearted one for a female no one likes.
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But why do you need parliament to be part of a process which they are simply going to agree to?
Why all these requests to outline the governments position on brexit if parliament is simply going to agree to the process? |
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But why do you need parliament to be part of a process which they are simply going to agree to?
Why all these requests to outline the governments position on brexit if parliament is simply going to agree to the process? |
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Of course people are going to blame her. The country had a democratic vote regarding our membership of the of the EU. Vote has not gone her way and she has used her vast wealth to stop us leaving the EU. Not really democratic is it?
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Next people will be saying that its ok for criminals to use wealthy lawyers to get them off on legal technicalities regardless of whether they commit crimes or not
No they won't. You're descending to irrelevant speculation.
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Who says parliament will agree with everything in the process, thats what debates are for, parliament debates things, or do you think parliament and courts have no process in the whole of things and the government should be able to do what ever it likes. ( like dictatorships government do )
I can understand parliament having vote on the terms we agree once we have left but not on invoking article 50 as the public have spoken and agreed to this. How would the government be a dictatorship by following the wishs of the voters? |
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But why do you need parliament to be part of a process which they are simply going to agree to?
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If and when Parliament votes on invoking Article 50, do you expect it to be carried nem. con.?
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Of course people are going to blame her. The country had a democratic vote regarding our membership of the of the EU. Vote has not gone her way and she has used her vast wealth to stop us leaving the EU.
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But the country had a referendum and agreed to leave the EU.
I can understand parliament having vote on the terms we agree once we have left but not on invoking article 50 as the public have spoken and agreed to this. How would the government be a dictatorship by following the wishs of the voters? |
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But the country had a referendum and agreed to leave the EU.
I can understand parliament having vote on the terms we agree once we have left but not on invoking article 50 as the public have spoken and agreed to this. How would the government be a dictatorship by following the wishs of the voters? |
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..... the public have spoken and agreed to this.
It is dictatorships that seek to supress dissent, not Parliamentary democracies. Which do you think is the system that the referendum vote sought to restore power to, according to the leave campaign at any rate? Do you think the 48% should no longer be heard? |
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