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If the UK is leaving then why do you need parliament to vote on it?
1. The European Communities Act 1972 (ECA) was an act of parliament 2. only parliament can repeal an act of parliament 3. triggering A50 effectively repeals the ECA, so: 4. only parliament can decide trigger A50. QED. (This is a simplified version without going into when use of the Royal Prerogative is appropriate and other constitutional matters, but the whole topic has been discussed on here at great length and in great detail.) |
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People know what she is doing but as most people do not have the funds to ever exercise their legal rights generally its not surprise the criticism she has got.
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When votes are cast ''for" and "against" a motion, and there is dissent, then the dissenters cannot be deemed to have 'agreed'.
It is dictatorships that seek to supress dissent, not Parliamentary democracies. Which do you think is the system that the referendum vote sought to restore power to, according to the leave campaign at any rate? Do you think the 48% should no longer be heard? I personally have nothing against what Gina Miller is doing as she is using the letter of the law and her wealth to get what she wants something wealthy people have been years and the reason why certain parts of society voted for brexit. Its not a surprise therefore that when someone like Gina Miller uses the letter of the law and her wealth to try to derail a process that there are going to be a lot of unhappy people who wont think much of her. |
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Of course the 48% should be heard the same way as if the vote had gone the other way.
I personally have nothing against what Gina Miller is doing as she is using the letter of the law and her wealth to get what she wants something wealthy people have been years and the reason why certain parts of society voted for brexit. Its not a surprise therefore that when someone like Gina Miller uses the letter of the law and her wealth to try to derail a process that there are going to be a lot of unhappy people who wont think much of her. (see post at top of the page) |
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Are you going to explain what the process is that she is trying to derail?
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No she isn't.
Journalist: But isn't this an attempt to stop Brexit by the back door? Miller: Darling, I do nothing by the back door! The "democracy" bullshit is just that. Bullshit. She wants to stop Brexit. Simple. |
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She was actig legally which she has a right to do. Are you saying that jealous people resent her for being well off?
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Shes as far many people see it is using the legal system to try and derail brexit.
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So does the opposite apply: Leavers are so unpleasant and cynical that they trust no one?
![]() (Which is why they voted leave in the first place).(I am assuming Remainers actually believe in St Gina, and aren't lying). Quote:
Funny because this court case is about UK parliament and is being dealt with by the highest court in the uk, would have thought that would please the leavers
Do you really think Miller is doing it for altruistic motives? You can't have read how she decided to bring the case in the first place. You probably believe that her partner in this venture voted leave, don't you? ![]() Quote:
No, she is trying to make sure it is watertight and the lawyers can't mess withnit later.
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When votes are cast ''for" and "against" a motion, and there is dissent, then the dissenters cannot be deemed to have 'agreed'.
It is dictatorships that seek to supress dissent, not Parliamentary democracies. Which do you think is the system that the referendum vote sought to restore power to, according to the leave campaign at any rate? Do you think the 48% should no longer be heard? |
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No, but they see things as they are.
(Which is why they voted leave in the first place).(I am assuming Remainers actually believe in St Gina, and aren't lying). Why do you think that? We voted, and the Government has a mandate to leave the EU. What else is necessary? Do you really think Miller is doing it for altruistic motives? You can't have read how she decided to bring the case in the first place. You probably believe that her partner in this venture voted leave, don't you? ![]() Amusing post, but it proves my point. Remainers are either naïve or being disingenuous. Well, they certainly yell loudly enough, so they can definitely be heard, I'm not sure their views can be taken into consideration though. How would it work? We'll only half leave? |
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I start threads to try and get the dumbed down audience to join in, Like say people on Twitter. May get worse when the new forum comes as GIFs and pictures come in.
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And this mandate you speak of came from were might i ask ?
Are you the type of person who is perfectly happy when your party of choice wins a General Election but then calls for electoral change when they don't? |
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And this mandate you speak of came from were might i ask ?
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It isn't jealousy that is the issue. It is the fact that a wealthy hedge fund manager (normally the kind of person the lefties loathe - but now seem to herald her as some kind of saviour) is using her status and wealth to try and get what she wants rather than accepting what the majority wants. It is this kind of wealthy, spoilt brat behaviour, legal or otherwise, that incited people to vote for Brexit in the first place.
No one was incited to vote. People exercised their democratic right to vote any way that they wanted. If she had been poor and claimed legal aid then that would be OK would it? |
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The referendum result, for which we were told, and that no one objected to when casting their vote, that the result, whatever it would be, would be honoured. Have the goalposts moved since 23rd June? Or, is it that when you casted your vote, knowing the result would be implemented regardless, you naively assumed, as did everyone else, that Remain would win and you'd get the result you preferred?
Are you the type of person who is perfectly happy when your party of choice wins a General Election but then calls for electoral change when they don't? And we will leave the EU regardless. |
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Yes she is. She even said so herself in an interview with a journalist from The Week.
Journalist: But isn't this an attempt to stop Brexit by the back door? Miller: Darling, I do nothing by the back door! The "democracy" bullshit is just that. Bullshit. She wants to stop Brexit. Simple. "The elephant in the room is actually about leaving the EU, it is not about reversing leaving the EU' So who's bullsh1ting? |
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BIB in your opinion.
No one was incited to vote. People exercised heir democratic right to vote any way that they wanted. If she had been poor and claimed legal aid then that would be OK would it? |
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The electorate. Did you miss it?
![]() mandate an official order or commission to do something., so the true term is request |
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Interview with Andrew Marr she said 'the case was now not about the referendum result, but "how we leave the EU".
"The elephant in the room is actually about leaving the EU, it is not about reversing leaving the EU' So who's bullsh1ting? |
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Well not i did not miss it but from a legal point the referendum was only advisery so the term mandate does not really apply
mandate an official order or commission to do something., so the true term is request |
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There is no lawyer in the land who would take on her case for "legal aid". Cases of this type require money!
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Yes, it's funny how "advisory" is always branded about these days! Wonder if it would be just advisory if Remain hadwon and Brexiteers were sulking?
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When the out campaign claimed they were interested in the uk controlling its own laws, I didn't think they meant it.
However, I didn't realise they would be caught out so quickly. |
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Have you read her interview in "The Week"? It blatantly has her confirming that she wanted to stop Brexit. What she has said in interviews since is clearly spin as directed by her lawyers. All the lawyers representing her are pro-EU.
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When the out campaign claimed they were interested in the uk controlling its own laws, I didn't think they meant it.
However, I didn't realise they would be caught out so quickly. |
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