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Well saying that the government themselves admitted it was only advisory, and again said so in court. Which of cause anyone who read the ref act would have known and was debated on DS well before the vote was taken.
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Now, wizzy, you're trying to argue with remainers, and you know it's a lost cause. They'll believe any old guff if it suits them. Obviously.
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Well, they certainly yell loudly enough, so they can definitely be heard, I'm not sure their views can be taken into consideration though. How would it work? We'll only half leave?
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When Remainers are trying to defend the indefensible, they always come up with this old chestnut.
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When Remainers are trying to defend the indefensible, they always come up with this old chestnut.
Yeah, I know lots of outers don't like the court judgment, but I didn't know 'taking back control' had become an 'old chestnut' |
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Yes. We did all know it was advisory. But we also ALL knew that the result would be honoured, which in common sense terminology suggests that whatever the result, the mandate to carry out the result would be genuine. It is remainers who have since moved the goalposts.
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How can it be indefensible when uk parliament and uk courts are deciding things in the uk, i thought that was what it was all about uk parliament and uk courts taking back control from the EU so we were told. Some people are never happy
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Yes. We did all know it was advisory. But we also ALL knew that the result would be honoured, which in common sense terminology suggests that whatever the result, the mandate to carry out the result would be genuine. It is remainers who have since moved the goalposts.
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Enemy of the people
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Yes. We did all know it was advisory. But we also ALL knew that the result would be honoured, which in common sense terminology suggests that whatever the result, the mandate to carry out the result would be genuine. It is remainers who have since moved the goalposts.
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Interview with Andrew Marr she said 'the case was now not about the referendum result, but "how we leave the EU".
"The elephant in the room is actually about leaving the EU, it is not about reversing leaving the EU' So who's bullsh1ting? Gina Miller @SCMDirect for #StrongerIn She was actually approached after speaking at a conference After speaking at a Mishcon de Reya diversity seminar in late June, she was approached by a partner at the law firm about bringing an Article 50 legal challenge. “Next morning I was in their office for five hours,” she said A bit about her and hubby ( he isn't too popular ) http://moneyweek.com/interview-the-t...-miller-60934/ At least I suppose Gina Miller is using lawyers with a bit more class than her husband did in his divorce His lawyer famously argued that it would have been cheaper for Mr Miller to run his spouse of three years over in his car than pay the £5million settlement he was ordered to. He eventually appealed the ruling in the House of Lords, but was unsuccessful No one will really know her motives apart from her, we can just guess if they are wanting to see a correct process or hoping it will derail our exit. |
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Enemy of the people
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So amongst all the out and out lies the leave camp told and the 'apparent' lies that you claim remain told - you choose to believe that one. Bit selective to hold the government to that one isn't it?
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So, you believe the result should be honoured, but ONLY if Remain had won?
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So, you believe the result should be honoured, but ONLY if Remain had won?
The childish and spiteful attacks on this woman should be condemned by all sides. She has every right to ask the courts to decide if May can use RP to trigger A50. |
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So, you believe the result should be honoured, but ONLY if Remain had won?
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Less of the generalisations please!
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So, you're not that happy with a debating chamber being at the core of parliamentary democracy, I take it.
I'm certainly not against any debate in Parliament. I just don't see how anyone, in good faith, can hand on heart say they believe Miller is doing it for any reason other than an attempt to derail Brexit. Of course, remainers might really believe that is the motive. Who can tell? They believe the EU is democratic, after all.
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There is a strange belief that Gina Miller, born Gina Nadira Singh - is only interested in stopping Brexit. I am sure she would be doing exactly the same had Remain won. She is a woman of honour, not a former model blowing the accumulated wealth of 3 marriages on changing a democratic result. In no way is she evil. She is actually doing us all a favour in that she proves anyone with enough money can change referendum results. Who really wants to live in a country where 'the people decide.' I mean honestly.. There is a reason we have Lords and Bishops and a plethora of university educated 'experts' making sure we make the right decisions. We are not ready for a total democracy yet. I remember someone quoting Assad years ago - apparently he said, 'Syrians are not ready for democracy yet.'
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There is a strange belief that Gina Miller, born Gina Nadira Singh - is only interested in stopping Brexit. I am sure she would be doing exactly the same had Remain won. She is a woman of honour, not a former model blowing the accumulated wealth of 3 marriages on changing a democratic result. In no way is she evil. She is actually doing us all a favour in that she proves anyone with enough money can change referendum results. Who really wants to live in a country where 'the people decide.' I mean honestly.. There is a reason we have Lords and Bishops and a plethora of university educated 'experts' making sure we make the right decisions. We are not ready for a total democracy yet. I remember someone quoting Assad years ago - apparently he said, 'Syrians are not ready for democracy yet.'
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There is a strange belief that Gina Miller, born Gina Nadira Singh - is only interested in stopping Brexit. I am sure she would be doing exactly the same had Remain won. She is a woman of honour, not a former model blowing the accumulated wealth of 3 marriages on changing a democratic result. In no way is she evil. She is actually doing us all a favour in that she proves anyone with enough money can change referendum results. Who really wants to live in a country where 'the people decide.' I mean honestly.. There is a reason we have Lords and Bishops and a plethora of university educated 'experts' making sure we make the right decisions. We are not ready for a total democracy yet. I remember someone quoting Assad years ago - apparently he said, 'Syrians are not ready for democracy yet.'
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I'm certainly not against any debate in Parliament. I just don't see how anyone, in good faith, can hand on heart say they believe Miller is doing it for any reason other than an attempt to derail Brexit. Of course, remainers might really believe that is the motive. Who can tell? They believe the EU is democratic, after all. ![]() |
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I'm sure Brexiter's hand on heart say they are doing it for the good of the country... Brexiter's might beleive that. Who can tell? They seem more obsessed with immigration than anything else.
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I'm sure Brexiters hand on heart say they are doing it for the good of the country... Brexiters might believe that. Who can tell? They seem more obsessed with immigration than anything else.
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I also think Gina Miller gets too much credit for halting Brexit. It was not just one South American who halted the process, it was two. Amazing - I wonder how many people now will call casual gossip in hairdressers meaningless.. it seems a hairdresser's outrage is stronger than the largest democratic result in the history of the British Isles. It speaks volumes of our society. All I know is I need a new hairdresser!
Deir Tozetti Dos Santos, 37, who works at a salon in Belgravia, was the first person to lodge a legal complaint against Theresa May’s plan to trigger Article 50 without a parliamentary vote. The whole case was actually titled: R (Miller and Dos Santos) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union. Brazil-born Mr Dos Santos, who holds Brazilian and British passports and lives in Notting Hill, was not in court yesterday to celebrate the landmark victory with Gina Miller and fellow campaigners. |
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