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I also think Gina Miller gets too much credit for halting Brexit. It was not just one South American who halted the process, it was two. Amazing - I wonder how many people now will call casual gossip in hairdressers meaningless.. it seems a hairdresser's outrage is stronger than the largest democratic result in the history of the British Isles. It speaks volumes of our society. All I know is I need a new hairdresser!
Deir Tozetti Dos Santos, 37, who works at a salon in Belgravia, was the first person to lodge a legal complaint against Theresa May’s plan to trigger Article 50 without a parliamentary vote. The whole case was actually titled: R (Miller and Dos Santos) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union. Brazil-born Mr Dos Santos, who holds Brazilian and British passports and lives in Notting Hill, was not in court yesterday to celebrate the landmark victory with Gina Miller and fellow campaigners. |
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He's the chap who stated he voted Remain back in June but who now says he voted Leave!
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“My client is fine, he is really pleased about the result. An interesting duo indeed.
"He has always maintained a low profile and now intends to fade back into the shadows. But he also wants to see it through to the end,” said the lawyer. |
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So, you believe the result should be honoured, but ONLY if Remain had won?
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It is a lighthearted one for a female no one likes.
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Freedom of movement is disgusting. It is the one fundamental element of immigration that I object to, not immigration itself.
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No. But I do think - regardless of 'promises' this should be done properly. I don't think it should be solely for Mrs May and the three stooges to push through. EVERYONE should be considered in this.
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Yes. We did all know it was advisory. But we also ALL knew that the result would be honoured, which in common sense terminology suggests that whatever the result, the mandate to carry out the result would be genuine. It is remainers who have since moved the goalposts.
The "honouring" came from a complusive liar who didn't have the authority to say what he did, then ran away when he was found out. |
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Thank you! Finally a Brexiter who actually admits it was advisory and not binding.
The "honouring" came from a complusive liar who didn't have the authority to say what he did, then ran away when he was found out. |
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Why "disgusting"? (Genuinely curious; not questioning the point)
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Freedom of movement is discriminative against anyone who isn't European. It makes poorer EU nations more dependent on wealthier ones rather than trying to equalise the wealth amongst ALL EU nations. It exploits poorer EU citizens by allowing them to work via an agency at lower rates than the minimum wage of the country they are in stipulates. It allows squalid living conditions where you often 30 young blokes living in one house. It does not prevent criminals entering countries even though there are supposed systems to do exactly this. It limits a member states sovereignty on immigration policy and is, in effect potentially very dangerous. 12 deaths in Germany is 12 deaths too many, and if the perpetrator was a "refugee" who could potentially travel freely across Europe in years to come, heaven help us against people like that.
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Thank you! Finally a Brexiter who actually admits it was advisory and not binding.
The "honouring" came from a complusive liar who didn't have the authority to say what he did, then ran away when he was found out. |
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In the eyes of millions of voters it most certainly was binding. To not honour it would be catastrophic for UK democracy.
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Freedom of movement is discriminative against anyone who isn't European. It makes poorer EU nations more dependent on wealthier ones rather than trying to equalise the wealth amongst ALL EU nations. It exploits poorer EU citizens by allowing them to work via an agency at lower rates than the minimum wage of the country they are in stipulates. It allows squalid living conditions where you often find 30 young blokes living in one house. It does not prevent criminals entering countries even though there are supposed systems to do exactly this. It limits a member states sovereignty on immigration policy and is, in effect potentially very dangerous. 12 deaths in Germany is 12 deaths too many, and if the perpetrator was a "refugee" who could potentially travel freely across Europe in years to come, heaven help us against people like that.
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Freedom of movement is discriminative against anyone who isn't European. It makes poorer EU nations more dependent on wealthier ones rather than trying to equalise the wealth amongst ALL EU nations. It exploits poorer EU citizens by allowing them to work via an agency at lower rates than the minimum wage of the country they are in stipulates. It allows squalid living conditions where you often find 30 young blokes living in one house. It does not prevent criminals entering countries even though there are supposed systems to do exactly this. It limits a member states sovereignty on immigration policy and is, in effect potentially very dangerous. 12 deaths in Germany is 12 deaths too many, and if the perpetrator was a "refugee" who could potentially travel freely across Europe in years to come, heaven help us against people like that.
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All of those abuses could and should have been cracked down on and stopped on by the enforcement of national laws. Freedom of movement is one of the foundations of a free and peaceful Europe and it has provided unity and mutual respect, free of prejudice and bigotry, except in the UK where as usual it is used, abused and vilified at the same time.
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If the UK electorate think that freedom of movement is not for them then that seems like a reasonable democratic decision. I think the French are not too keen on it either.
As far as I'm aware, the French have little problem with freedom of movement. Or maybe you are confusing freedom of movement with the Schengen Area? Either way, you appear confused. |
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So people really did vote with ignorance. Quite a worry.
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why does her husband allow her to become the face of this? she's become the hate figure and her husband cowers in the corner allowing it to happen without doing anything about it
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I have no recollection of the stronger in Europe campaign contradicting the official government leaflet that put the government's advice to the electorate and stating that they would implement what was decided. It may have happened but seems to have been low key if it did.
Total paranoia. Tin foil hats all round. |
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I think you are confusing freedom of movement for EU citizens with mass migration from outside the eu.
As far as I'm aware, the French have little problem with freedom of movement. Or maybe you are confusing freedom of movement with the Schengen Area? Either way, you appear confused. |
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why does her husband allow her to become the face of this? she's become the hate figure and her husband cowers in the corner allowing it to happen without doing anything about it
![]() We don't live in Victorian times any more, he doesn't "allow" his wife do anything, she is her own person. |
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We are leaving the EU. Why do so many Brexit supporters assume that following a legal process as per the UK constitution is in any way going to prevent the government triggering A50.
Total paranoia. Tin foil hats all round. |
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I have no recollection of the stronger in Europe campaign contradicting the official government leaflet that put the government's advice to the electorate and stating that they would implement what was decided. It may have happened but seems to have been low key if it did.
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You seem to be having a little difficulty. I said the Official Remain campaign did not contradict the stated official government intent to act on the decision made by the electorate. That means that the electorate were not ignorant (as indicated) but were misled by both the Government and the official Stronger in Europe campaign.
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What do you want him to do, keep his little lady at home?
We don't live in Victorian times any more, he doesn't "allow" his wife do anything, she is her own person.
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