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Gina Miller hates democracy
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niceguy1966
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“Everyone knows it was advisory, every referendum ever held in this country has been advisory other than the AV Vote , even the Scottish referendum was advisory , however whilst not binding in law those that run the country publicity stated they would carry out the wishes of the people in that vote.”

And they still are.

What's the problem?
Ian Aberdon
30-12-2016
Well the thread starter got what he wanted, didn't he?
niceguy1966
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ian Aberdon:
“Well the thread starter got what he wanted, didn't he?”

I think most people managed to elevate the discussion above childish insults against a person not here to defend herself. Some obvious failures though.
Dotheboyshall
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dr. Claw:
“the way he doesnt stand up for his wife who gets attacked all the time. he also doesnt put himself forward to be interviewed either despite him being just as involved as she is. same goes for the pimlico plumber boss, they're allowing her to get all the hate. some men they are ”

Good grief.
paralax
30-12-2016
I don't think her actions are about hatred, she does display a contempt for the 17.5people who voted to leave, and I would feel the same if I had voted remain. She pretends she is doing this in the name of democracy because she doesn't have the guts to admit it is about self interest. However, she has an friend in remainer May, who has dragged her kitten heels, and allowed Millar and her co conspirators time to bring this action. If it failed I hope she has to pay costs, this is costing the taxpayer a huge amount of money.
Dotheboyshall
30-12-2016
It's not her fault the government and Brexiters didn't ensure in law that the referendum was binding.
Beanybun
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by paralax:
“I don't think her actions are about hatred, she does display a contempt for the 17.5people who voted to leave, and I would feel the same if I had voted remain. She pretends she is doing this in the name of democracy because she doesn't have the guts to admit it is about self interest. However, she has an friend in remainer May, who has dragged her kitten heels, and allowed Millar and her co conspirators time to bring this action. If it failed I hope she has to pay costs, this is costing the taxpayer a huge amount of money.”

Lol, how do you propose that May should prevent citizens exercising their democratic rights to ensure due process? By declaring the U.K. a facist state?

As for the actions failing, you're going to be sadly disappointed. The governments jig on this issue is well and truly up.
MARTYM8
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“It's not her fault the government and Brexiters didn't ensure in law that the referendum was binding.”

Cameron and Osborme prepared the legislation - they weren't Brexiteers as you put it. Nor was Mrs May who is now PM.

As for the advice from the people who do you think it was intended for - to advise parliament who passed the bill (why would they need to be advised again when they enacted the referendum bill) or the Government to exercise the Royal prerogative and give notice on article 50. Cameron stated clearly article 50 would be declared on 24 June if leave one - presumably for that very reason.

Parliament agreed the referendum bill - it has already expressed its view that the matter should be decided by the people. And the people voted and their vote should now be implemented.

No more respecting the people and their votes - we just need parliament to obey what the people directed them to do!

All these remoaners weren't too worried about parliamentary sovereignty when EU treaties and laws were taking powers away without any proper say or scrutiny by MPs. Odd now that it's going the other way they seem to have discovered their love for it - but what they forget is that the people in the end by voting trump parliament.
alan29
30-12-2016
If there are loopholes in the process or legal niceties it is better they are blocked now before negotiations start, rather than later which would make the politicians look even more incompetent than we already know them to be.
"Oops, sorry Johnny Foreigner, can we adjourn while we pass some laws."
MARTYM8
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by alan29:
“If there are loopholes in the process or legal niceties it is better they are blocked now before negotiations start, rather than later which would make the politicians look even more incompetent than we already know them to be.
"Oops, sorry Johnny Foreigner, can we adjourn while we pass some laws."”

I can see these challenges going on for some time. The London elite including the legal profession are determined to block Brexit - as they think the country voted the wrong way and they think they know better.

But at least it's helpful that they are showing their hand on some issues.
jjwales
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“I can see these challenges going on for some time. The London elite including the legal profession are determined to block Brexit - as they think the country voted the wrong way and they think they know better.”

This is just supposition on your part though. The government seems determined to get Brexit through, and they are the most important and influential section of the "elite".
alan29
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“I can see these challenges going on for some time. The London elite including the legal profession are determined to block Brexit - as they think the country voted the wrong way and they think they know better.

But at least it's helpful that they are showing their hand on some issues.”

Maybe I'm a bit less cynical about this. I think there is a strong case for making sure all the UK dominoes are lined up properly before we start the process. I don't blame the lawyers for doing what lawyers do, but I have nothing but scorn for the politicians for their lack of legislative preparation, given that Brexit was always a possibility.
Like you, I just want them to get on with Brexit, despite voting remain.
But the stories I am hearing from my son in Whitehall give me no confidence at all in Westminster's ability to achieve anything apart from lurch from crisis to crisis as each legislative implication is discovered. It is apparently chaotic at the moment and getting worse as they realise the size of the internal legislative task, let alone preparing a negotiating position to take to the EU.
That is going to bog the process down far more than any legal action in our courts.
Blairdennon
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“So they read a leaflet that didn't mention the referendum being binding and were ignorant because they believed something they were never told.

I think we are in agreement.”

For some reason most seem to ignore the implication of the leaflet. Hindsight seems to be a wonderful thing in that yes everyone knew the referendum was not binding but we have to consider what they were led to believe.
ste1969
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sport1:
“And her mother was a hamster and her father smells of elderberries!

Desperately silly thread.”

Desperate silly response
smudges dad
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“For some reason most seem to ignore the implication of the leaflet. Hindsight seems to be a wonderful thing in that yes everyone knew the referendum was not binding but we have to consider what they were led to believe.”

Is the implication of the leaflet the same as the promise on the side of a bus?
Beanybun
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“I can see these challenges going on for some time. The London elite including the legal profession are determined to block Brexit - as they think the country voted the wrong way and they think they know better.

But at least it's helpful that they are showing their hand on some issues.”

Tin foil alert!
Sport1
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by ste1969:
“Desperate silly response”

I thought it was quite an appropriate response to the OP. I presume you disagree?
skp20040
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“And they still are.

What's the problem?”

I am unaware I said there was a problem, I was pointing out that this referendum being advisory was nothing new they all have been other than AV
Abewest
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“This women is so evil and she is a friend of Merkel.”

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-n...y-jewelry-cars

The main reason (so I've heard) that she doesn't believe in democracy is that she's been in contact with citizens of Athens from back at the birth of democracy, and they were all a bit "meh" about how it has evolved since then.

That said, there's no doubt that she's not a very nice person at all, preying as she does on the vulnerability of those who believe the sort of nonsense that she spouts, and her mugshot doesn't do her any favours either.

But there's no mention anywhere that she's a friend of Merkel's. Perhaps Merkel's friends in the media covered this up.
hyperstarsponge
30-12-2016
I just think that Gina does not care as long she still gets her paycheck from Brussels, EU is designed to fund the super rich after all.
jjwales
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I just think that Gina does not care as long she still gets her paycheck from Brussels, EU is designed to fund the super rich after all.”

More silliness.
tim59
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I just think that Gina does not care as long she still gets her paycheck from Brussels, EU is designed to fund the super rich after all.”

Well i back her for what she is doing.
Palafrugel
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by tim59:
“Well i back her for what she is doing.”

And the mysterious Brazilian hairdresser right? He was the one who started the case after all, not Gina.
Happ Hazzard
30-12-2016
Brexit is happening, so remainers better accept it and move on with their lives. The country has been run for the interests of those who benefit from us being in Europe for the past 40 years, now the shoe is on the other foot, they are wailing and crying about it. Well tough.
smudges dad
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“Brexit is happening, so remainers better accept it and move on with their lives. The country has been run for the interests of those who benefit from us being in Europe for the past 40 years, now the shoe is on the other foot, they are wailing and crying about it. Well tough.”

You've got to love the gloating nastiness of the rabid Brexiteers, don't you. Still charging at windmills, thinking they're giants.
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