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Old 02-01-2017, 12:23
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I watched quite a lot of ITV live over Christmas but didn't see it advertised once. The low ratings are not surprising.
I saw advertised a lot in the run up to new year, I imagine a lot were outdoors is why it was low as well.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:45
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With apparently not that many people watching it (just over a million or so I think), then very sadly I doubt that this will get another show, shame really as the potential was and is there for something to be good.

Was it perfect, heck no, but there was lots of room for growth, which was the important thing.
They should have gone back to a round system.

We didnt need a ladder match the original never did them.
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Old 02-01-2017, 20:57
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They should have gone back to a round system.

We didnt need a ladder match the original never did them.
Ladder match was MOTN. It hasn't been invented at the time of the original WoS which is why they never had them!
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Old 02-01-2017, 20:59
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Is it just a one off?
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:39
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Is it just a one off?
It's up to ITV whether they feel there's a potential audience for this product. The rating wasn't great, but it also wasn't horrible either.

ITV where contacting talent prior to the show airing, so they appeared confident about the long term future of the show. Who knows if the rating has changed that.
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:41
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Ladder match was MOTN. It hasn't been invented at the time of the original WoS which is why they never had them!
They did have one

https://youtu.be/GM--yzI8JZA
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:32
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A ladder match in name only...my goodness that was bad!
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:37
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I remember watching the British wrestling when I was young (30-35 years ago) and at first I thought it was real. Then, although still young, I remember watching one Saturday afternoon or whenever it was on and watching one wrestler pummeling the other with (forearm?) hits. I thought 'why is the opponent not falling over after being 'hit' in the head 5 times?' then I noticed the 'hits' didn't really seem to be connecting. The final straw was noticing the attacking wrestler stamping his foot on the ring floor to coincide with each 'hit.'

I went off it pretty quickly after that. I get that folk still enjoy it even though they know it's choreographed / scripted and that if they were doing this for real they'd very likely kill or seriously injure each other. However knowing it's all a show / performance, albeit a very skilled one, puts me off.
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Old 03-01-2017, 19:01
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I went off it pretty quickly after that. I get that folk still enjoy it even though they know it's choreographed / scripted and that if they were doing this for real they'd very likely kill or seriously injure each other. However knowing it's all a show / performance, albeit a very skilled one, puts me off.
There are many reasons to dislike wrestling - it's pantomime, often badly acted, the shows are long (2-3 hours) and require a significant time investment, it is increasingly aimed at a younger audience, it a tremendously niche form of entertainment and it has, in many ways, failed to keep pace with the times with interesting characters and storylines.

But I've never quite understood your reason why. I'm not criticising you - just genuinely curious. I mean, I can get that as a reason if the industry was still trying to convince us it was real. But it hasn't tried to do that for nearly two decades now - not since Vince McMahon opened an episode of RAW in 1997 with this announcement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjBeCwz2fXg. WWE doesn't even use the word "wrestling" a lot of the time, preferring "sports entertainment" and increasingly just "entertainment". Even the World of Sport broadcast referred to the wrestler's performing "stunts".

To me, hating wrestling because it is choreographed would logically mean you'd also hate the circus/acrobats, or martial arts movies. Maybe you do though!
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Old 03-01-2017, 19:15
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Ladder match was MOTN. It hasn't been invented at the time of the original WoS which is why they never had them!
Would it have been that bad to go back to how it was? I know we are in 2017 now but there are tons of British promotions around who are a more american feel to the wrestling so WOS could have stood out if they went back to the same set up the #y were years ago.
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Old 04-01-2017, 02:37
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Last night's rating: 1.25m (8%). That is less than rpts of Pointless and MBB on BBC1.

I imagine it will be recomissioned, but move to ITV4.
They should probably make it a one hour show on a Saturday evening on ITV during the spring and see if it does better (two hours was too much and lack of advertising for New Year's Eve wasn't of any help either), I doubt WOS's family friendly style would appeal to the ITV4 target audience they would need to make it more hardcore and American imo.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:10
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To me, hating wrestling because it is choreographed would logically mean you'd also hate the circus/acrobats, or martial arts movies. Maybe you do though!
I went to see this thing called 'Hamlet' - couldn't believe people were watching it. They were all supposed to be dead at the end, then they stood up and expected to be applauded. And not one of them sounded remotely Danish.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:28
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I get that folk still enjoy it even though they know it's choreographed / scripted and that if they were doing this for real they'd very likely kill or seriously injure each other. However knowing it's all a show / performance, albeit a very skilled one, puts me off.
There are many reasons to dislike wrestling - it's pantomime, often badly acted, the shows are long (2-3 hours) and require a significant time investment, it is increasingly aimed at a younger audience, it a tremendously niche form of entertainment and it has, in many ways, failed to keep pace with the times with interesting characters and storylines.

But I've never quite understood your reason why. I'm not criticising you - just genuinely curious. I mean, I can get that as a reason if the industry was still trying to convince us it was real. But it hasn't tried to do that for nearly two decades now - not since Vince McMahon opened an episode of RAW in 1997 with this announcement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjBeCwz2fXg. WWE doesn't even use the word "wrestling" a lot of the time, preferring "sports entertainment" and increasingly just "entertainment". Even the World of Sport broadcast referred to the wrestler's performing "stunts".

To me, hating wrestling because it is choreographed would logically mean you'd also hate the circus/acrobats, or martial arts movies. Maybe you do though!
From a personal perspective I don’t hate wrestling, I hate wrestling being passed off as a sport.

As a piece of entertainment, although it’s not to my tastes, I’m sure the WWE can be just as enjoyable as any other US comedy/action/drama series for some. But I do get annoyed when it’s spoken about as a sport, you know, like when people group it in with the likes of the NBA, NFL etc.
Being show in the UK on Sky Sports doesn’t do anything to enforce the fact it’s not a sport either. Neither does ITV calling it World of Sport I suppose!
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:33
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Terribly scripted. Right from the off, you could just see how the show was going to end.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:37
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Terribly scripted. Right from the off, you could just see how the show was going to end.
Alot of feedback from the older audience ie 60+ found it just laughable.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:38
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From a personal perspective I don’t hate wrestling, I hate wrestling being passed off as a sport.

As a piece of entertainment, although it’s not to my tastes, I’m sure the WWE can be just as enjoyable as any other US comedy/action/drama series for some. But I do get annoyed when it’s spoken about as a sport, you know, like when people group it in with the likes of the NBA, NFL etc.
Being show in the UK on Sky Sports doesn’t do anything to enforce the fact it’s not a sport either. Neither does ITV calling it World of Sport I suppose!
100% this.

The pound shop UK version on Saturday was a national embarrassment aswell....if it is a series it will be canned in weeks.Awful in every respect.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:12
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Terribly scripted. Right from the off, you could just see how the show was going to end.
In wrestling terms that doesn't matter, something simple works better than trying to bait and switch the audience, especially when it's aimed at kids anyway.

I would guess most people could correctly guess how Star Wars VIII will end, but it isn't going to effect ticket sales.
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Old Yesterday, 07:32
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From a personal perspective I don’t hate wrestling, I hate wrestling being passed off as a sport.

As a piece of entertainment, although it’s not to my tastes, I’m sure the WWE can be just as enjoyable as any other US comedy/action/drama series for some. But I do get annoyed when it’s spoken about as a sport, you know, like when people group it in with the likes of the NBA, NFL etc.
Being show in the UK on Sky Sports doesn’t do anything to enforce the fact it’s not a sport either. Neither does ITV calling it World of Sport I suppose!
Who are these people who group it in with the NFL etc?

WWE is on Sky Sports purely to paywall it.

As I said, it has been called sports-entertainment since the late 90s. Not a pure sport as its choreographed but it does require physicality and athleticism - not so different than sports like figure skating in that regard!
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Old Yesterday, 12:57
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Who are these people who group it in with the NFL etc?

WWE is on Sky Sports purely to paywall it.

As I said, it has been called sports-entertainment since the late 90s. Not a pure sport as its choreographed but it does require physicality and athleticism - not so different than sports like figure skating in that regard!
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.
In my view the WWE simply isn’t sport, of any description. Yes it requires physicality and athleticism, but so does playing Steve Mcgarrett in the reboot of Hawaii Five-0 currently siring on Sky One, and I’m not going to claim that’s a documentary about law enforcement in the state of Hawaii (neither would it belong on a documentary channel).
I also can’t agree that WWE is not so different than sports like figure skating. That’s just reinforcing that the WWE is a sport of some kind. Figure skating is a competition where participants ability are judged. WWE is a scripted storyline.

Like I said in my last past, I don’t want to sound like I’m criticising the WWE, I have no issue with it for what it is, I just object to it being called a sport.
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Old Yesterday, 15:14
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I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.
In my view the WWE simply isn’t sport, of any description. Yes it requires physicality and athleticism, but so does playing Steve Mcgarrett in the reboot of Hawaii Five-0 currently siring on Sky One, and I’m not going to claim that’s a documentary about law enforcement in the state of Hawaii (neither would it belong on a documentary channel).
I also can’t agree that WWE is not so different than sports like figure skating. That’s just reinforcing that the WWE is a sport of some kind. Figure skating is a competition where participants ability are judged. WWE is a scripted storyline.

Like I said in my last past, I don’t want to sound like I’m criticising the WWE, I have no issue with it for what it is, I just object to it being called a sport.
It's unfair to say WWE wrestlers aren't judged, the difference is they are judged by the court of public opinion rather than people holding up scoreboards.

For example, WWE made a big push for a guy named Roman Reigns, to the extent that he was given the title at their biggest event of the year. But people hated him. He was booed out of the building (even though he was booked as a face or "good guy") while the guy everyone was supposed to boo was cheered. It was an unmitigated disaster. And they very quickly had to back track.

Wrestling is more than just about physicality and athleticism. There's a reason guys like The Undertaker have been able to put on entertaining matches well into their 50s - because they understand the art of the story.
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Old Yesterday, 15:58
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It's unfair to say WWE wrestlers aren't judged, the difference is they are judged by the court of public opinion rather than people holding up scoreboards.
Ok, WWE wrestlers are judged by a court of public opinion... similarly to how TV actors and characters from comedies and dramas are judged (in audience figures, award shows etc.). But it still doesn’t make it sport in any way, as the outcome is predetermined.
Again, I’m not saying it can’t be classed as entertainment though (even if it’s not to my personal tastes).
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Old Yesterday, 18:56
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Ok, WWE wrestlers are judged by a court of public opinion... similarly to how TV actors and characters from comedies and dramas are judged (in audience figures, award shows etc.). But it still doesn’t make it sport in any way, as the outcome is predetermined.
Again, I’m not saying it can’t be classed as entertainment though (even if it’s not to my personal tastes).
I think we'll just have to disagree on this, although I actually don't think we're a million miles off each other - I would very much disagree with anyone who called professional wrestling a sport. It is a form of entertainment but one that features elements associated with sport such as competition (albeit staged) and athleticism.

I'll just leave this here in case anyone doesn't agree with the latter...a short (under 4 mins) highlight package of Will Ospreay vs. Ricochet, which was widely regarded as one of the 2016 MOTY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC_pdj7dGEw
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Old Yesterday, 19:11
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To me, hating wrestling because it is choreographed would logically mean you'd also hate the circus/acrobats, or martial arts movies. Maybe you do though!
Not being picky over words however I didn't say I 'hate' wrestling, just that i personally went off it when I realised it was a choreographed act, albeit a very skilled one that still creates potential danger for those involved.

I don't however put it in the same category as things like circus performances. When you see an acrobat flying through the air from trapeze to trapeze, it is what it is i.e. a very skilled person flying through the air to entertain. If it were revealed that, in reality, they don't fly through the air but the act is achieved through a clever use of mirrors, I'd be less impressed, regardless of how skilled the acrobat is in achieving the illusion.

I'm not against anyone that's in to watching and getting pleasure from watching wrestling, regardless of whether they think it's real or not. However for me if I want to watch skilled people flying through the air, I'm more likely to want to watch something like Cirque de Soleil than people pretending to fight each other and feigning injury etc etc.
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Old Yesterday, 19:20
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I don't however put it in the same category as things like circus performances. When you see an acrobat flying through the air from trapeze to trapeze, it is what it is i.e. a very skilled person flying through the air to entertain. If it were revealed that, in reality, they don't fly through the air but the act is achieved through a clever use of mirrors, I'd be less impressed, regardless of how skilled the acrobat is in achieving the illusion.
That's not really a strictly accurate comparison though. Yes, wrestling is staged, results are pre-determined and it doesn't hurt as much as they let on.

But it DOES require real athletic ability and skill. And these guys and gals don't walk away without injuries and bruises after every single fight. What they do is carefully managed but if you are slammed from six feet in the air onto a hard canvas, it hurts, and no matter how well you know how to fall, you can never fully account for those sort of impact injuries.

Like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3X1QVUkQTo
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