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I watched quite a lot of ITV live over Christmas but didn't see it advertised once. The low ratings are not surprising.
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With apparently not that many people watching it (just over a million or so I think), then very sadly I doubt that this will get another show, shame really as the potential was and is there for something to be good.
Was it perfect, heck no, but there was lots of room for growth, which was the important thing. We didnt need a ladder match the original never did them. |
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They should have gone back to a round system.
We didnt need a ladder match the original never did them. |
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Is it just a one off?
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Is it just a one off?
ITV where contacting talent prior to the show airing, so they appeared confident about the long term future of the show. Who knows if the rating has changed that. |
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Ladder match was MOTN. It hasn't been invented at the time of the original WoS which is why they never had them!
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I remember watching the British wrestling when I was young (30-35 years ago) and at first I thought it was real. Then, although still young, I remember watching one Saturday afternoon or whenever it was on and watching one wrestler pummeling the other with (forearm?) hits. I thought 'why is the opponent not falling over after being 'hit' in the head 5 times?' then I noticed the 'hits' didn't really seem to be connecting. The final straw was noticing the attacking wrestler stamping his foot on the ring floor to coincide with each 'hit.'
I went off it pretty quickly after that. I get that folk still enjoy it even though they know it's choreographed / scripted and that if they were doing this for real they'd very likely kill or seriously injure each other. However knowing it's all a show / performance, albeit a very skilled one, puts me off. |
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I went off it pretty quickly after that. I get that folk still enjoy it even though they know it's choreographed / scripted and that if they were doing this for real they'd very likely kill or seriously injure each other. However knowing it's all a show / performance, albeit a very skilled one, puts me off.
But I've never quite understood your reason why. I'm not criticising you - just genuinely curious. I mean, I can get that as a reason if the industry was still trying to convince us it was real. But it hasn't tried to do that for nearly two decades now - not since Vince McMahon opened an episode of RAW in 1997 with this announcement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjBeCwz2fXg. WWE doesn't even use the word "wrestling" a lot of the time, preferring "sports entertainment" and increasingly just "entertainment". Even the World of Sport broadcast referred to the wrestler's performing "stunts". To me, hating wrestling because it is choreographed would logically mean you'd also hate the circus/acrobats, or martial arts movies. Maybe you do though!
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Ladder match was MOTN. It hasn't been invented at the time of the original WoS which is why they never had them!
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Last night's rating: 1.25m (8%). That is less than rpts of Pointless and MBB on BBC1.
I imagine it will be recomissioned, but move to ITV4. |
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To me, hating wrestling because it is choreographed would logically mean you'd also hate the circus/acrobats, or martial arts movies. Maybe you do though! ![]() |
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I get that folk still enjoy it even though they know it's choreographed / scripted and that if they were doing this for real they'd very likely kill or seriously injure each other. However knowing it's all a show / performance, albeit a very skilled one, puts me off.
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There are many reasons to dislike wrestling - it's pantomime, often badly acted, the shows are long (2-3 hours) and require a significant time investment, it is increasingly aimed at a younger audience, it a tremendously niche form of entertainment and it has, in many ways, failed to keep pace with the times with interesting characters and storylines.
But I've never quite understood your reason why. I'm not criticising you - just genuinely curious. I mean, I can get that as a reason if the industry was still trying to convince us it was real. But it hasn't tried to do that for nearly two decades now - not since Vince McMahon opened an episode of RAW in 1997 with this announcement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjBeCwz2fXg. WWE doesn't even use the word "wrestling" a lot of the time, preferring "sports entertainment" and increasingly just "entertainment". Even the World of Sport broadcast referred to the wrestler's performing "stunts". To me, hating wrestling because it is choreographed would logically mean you'd also hate the circus/acrobats, or martial arts movies. Maybe you do though! ![]() As a piece of entertainment, although it’s not to my tastes, I’m sure the WWE can be just as enjoyable as any other US comedy/action/drama series for some. But I do get annoyed when it’s spoken about as a sport, you know, like when people group it in with the likes of the NBA, NFL etc. Being show in the UK on Sky Sports doesn’t do anything to enforce the fact it’s not a sport either. Neither does ITV calling it World of Sport I suppose! |
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Terribly scripted. Right from the off, you could just see how the show was going to end.
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Terribly scripted. Right from the off, you could just see how the show was going to end.
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From a personal perspective I don’t hate wrestling, I hate wrestling being passed off as a sport.
As a piece of entertainment, although it’s not to my tastes, I’m sure the WWE can be just as enjoyable as any other US comedy/action/drama series for some. But I do get annoyed when it’s spoken about as a sport, you know, like when people group it in with the likes of the NBA, NFL etc. Being show in the UK on Sky Sports doesn’t do anything to enforce the fact it’s not a sport either. Neither does ITV calling it World of Sport I suppose! The pound shop UK version on Saturday was a national embarrassment aswell....if it is a series it will be canned in weeks.Awful in every respect. |
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Terribly scripted. Right from the off, you could just see how the show was going to end.
I would guess most people could correctly guess how Star Wars VIII will end, but it isn't going to effect ticket sales. |
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From a personal perspective I don’t hate wrestling, I hate wrestling being passed off as a sport.
As a piece of entertainment, although it’s not to my tastes, I’m sure the WWE can be just as enjoyable as any other US comedy/action/drama series for some. But I do get annoyed when it’s spoken about as a sport, you know, like when people group it in with the likes of the NBA, NFL etc. Being show in the UK on Sky Sports doesn’t do anything to enforce the fact it’s not a sport either. Neither does ITV calling it World of Sport I suppose! WWE is on Sky Sports purely to paywall it. As I said, it has been called sports-entertainment since the late 90s. Not a pure sport as its choreographed but it does require physicality and athleticism - not so different than sports like figure skating in that regard! |
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Who are these people who group it in with the NFL etc?
WWE is on Sky Sports purely to paywall it. As I said, it has been called sports-entertainment since the late 90s. Not a pure sport as its choreographed but it does require physicality and athleticism - not so different than sports like figure skating in that regard! ![]() In my view the WWE simply isn’t sport, of any description. Yes it requires physicality and athleticism, but so does playing Steve Mcgarrett in the reboot of Hawaii Five-0 currently siring on Sky One, and I’m not going to claim that’s a documentary about law enforcement in the state of Hawaii (neither would it belong on a documentary channel). I also can’t agree that WWE is not so different than sports like figure skating. That’s just reinforcing that the WWE is a sport of some kind. Figure skating is a competition where participants ability are judged. WWE is a scripted storyline. Like I said in my last past, I don’t want to sound like I’m criticising the WWE, I have no issue with it for what it is, I just object to it being called a sport. |
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I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.
![]() In my view the WWE simply isn’t sport, of any description. Yes it requires physicality and athleticism, but so does playing Steve Mcgarrett in the reboot of Hawaii Five-0 currently siring on Sky One, and I’m not going to claim that’s a documentary about law enforcement in the state of Hawaii (neither would it belong on a documentary channel). I also can’t agree that WWE is not so different than sports like figure skating. That’s just reinforcing that the WWE is a sport of some kind. Figure skating is a competition where participants ability are judged. WWE is a scripted storyline. Like I said in my last past, I don’t want to sound like I’m criticising the WWE, I have no issue with it for what it is, I just object to it being called a sport. For example, WWE made a big push for a guy named Roman Reigns, to the extent that he was given the title at their biggest event of the year. But people hated him. He was booed out of the building (even though he was booked as a face or "good guy") while the guy everyone was supposed to boo was cheered. It was an unmitigated disaster. And they very quickly had to back track. Wrestling is more than just about physicality and athleticism. There's a reason guys like The Undertaker have been able to put on entertaining matches well into their 50s - because they understand the art of the story. |
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It's unfair to say WWE wrestlers aren't judged, the difference is they are judged by the court of public opinion rather than people holding up scoreboards.
Again, I’m not saying it can’t be classed as entertainment though (even if it’s not to my personal tastes). |
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Ok, WWE wrestlers are judged by a court of public opinion... similarly to how TV actors and characters from comedies and dramas are judged (in audience figures, award shows etc.). But it still doesn’t make it sport in any way, as the outcome is predetermined.
Again, I’m not saying it can’t be classed as entertainment though (even if it’s not to my personal tastes). I'll just leave this here in case anyone doesn't agree with the latter...a short (under 4 mins) highlight package of Will Ospreay vs. Ricochet, which was widely regarded as one of the 2016 MOTY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC_pdj7dGEw |
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To me, hating wrestling because it is choreographed would logically mean you'd also hate the circus/acrobats, or martial arts movies. Maybe you do though!
![]() I don't however put it in the same category as things like circus performances. When you see an acrobat flying through the air from trapeze to trapeze, it is what it is i.e. a very skilled person flying through the air to entertain. If it were revealed that, in reality, they don't fly through the air but the act is achieved through a clever use of mirrors, I'd be less impressed, regardless of how skilled the acrobat is in achieving the illusion. I'm not against anyone that's in to watching and getting pleasure from watching wrestling, regardless of whether they think it's real or not. However for me if I want to watch skilled people flying through the air, I'm more likely to want to watch something like Cirque de Soleil than people pretending to fight each other and feigning injury etc etc. |
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I don't however put it in the same category as things like circus performances. When you see an acrobat flying through the air from trapeze to trapeze, it is what it is i.e. a very skilled person flying through the air to entertain. If it were revealed that, in reality, they don't fly through the air but the act is achieved through a clever use of mirrors, I'd be less impressed, regardless of how skilled the acrobat is in achieving the illusion.
But it DOES require real athletic ability and skill. And these guys and gals don't walk away without injuries and bruises after every single fight. What they do is carefully managed but if you are slammed from six feet in the air onto a hard canvas, it hurts, and no matter how well you know how to fall, you can never fully account for those sort of impact injuries. Like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3X1QVUkQTo
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I think we'll just have to disagree on this, although I actually don't think we're a million miles off each other - I would very much disagree with anyone who called professional wrestling a sport. It is a form of entertainment but one that features elements associated with sport such as competition (albeit staged) and athleticism.
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But it DOES require real athletic ability and skill. And these guys and gals don't walk away without injuries and bruises after every single fight.
But everything you’ve said can also be applied to Keifer Sutherland portraying Jack Bauer in ‘24’. As a character, Jack Bauer is in ‘competition’ with the terrorists, which is presented to us for entertainment purposes. That ‘competition’, for want of a better word, has a scripted outcome and is presented to us for entertainment purposes. It also sometimes requires real physical athletic ability and skill of the actor playing the character, that can often result in real life injuries. Both ‘24’ and WWE are enjoyable entertainment (depending of your personal tastes of course), but I can’t consider either of them sport in any respect. |
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