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The lessons of Trump and Brexit
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y way of a gloomy seasonal party game, try this. Take the proverbial back of a cereal box, divide it into six rectangles, and on each one, write a supposed cause of the political turbulence now gripping the west: “the financial crash of 2008”, “inequality”, “racism and xenophobia”, “Tony Blair, basically”, and all the rest. Then get out the gin, maybe put on a Radiohead album, and enjoy hours of doom-laden conversational fun. Were I daft enough to play the game myself, on one rectangle, I think I’d write an explanation so far barely mentioned in the acres of coverage of 2016’s chaos, but one right at the heart of it all: “Ever-increasing complexity, and the diminishing returns it now creates.” It’s not the snappiest conversation starter, I know. But if you’re looking for a grand catch-all theory that ties together Donald Trump, Brexit, and the general sense of a world spinning into chaos, it might not be a bad place to begin.
SOURCE: The GuardianIn other words the unedicated common people don't understand the world as its too complicated for their silly little minds. It really annoys me how the liberal metropolitan elite continually laud it over the rest of us because we apparently can't engage in an "educated debate". It frustrates me even more when they refer to those without a University education as "uneducated", when in fact they are probably just as if they have worked all their lives. Why continually denigrate those who didn't vote the way you wanted them to? Why continually play the game like they have been lied to? Why continually disrespect those who exercised their right in an open, free and democratic process? The mind boggles! The only lessons to learn from Brexit and Trump is that people were unhappy with the status quo and wanted substantial change. The ignored got off their arses and spoke, yet the elite have had it good for so long they don't like it one iota. Why is the debate still about the capability of the voter, rather than about the kind of Brexit we hope to achieve? People like me are pissed off being ignored, told to shut up because we are bigots, fascists, xenophobes, racists and misogynsts. The stupidity of the metropolitan elite thought the they could shut down debate by shouting down those who didn't agree with them.....the only thing it did do was push it underground. Kicking and screaming made no difference, and now that same elite doesn't have a bloody clue how to mount a comeback to the actions of the silent majority. |
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Why is the debate still about the capability of the voter,
Call me a "metropolitan elite" if you like. I'm actually a country bumpkin. I do have a degree though, but it is from a filthy ex-poly. Does it count? Quote:
rather than about the kind of Brexit we hope to achieve?
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Why continually denigrate those who didn't vote the way you wanted them to?
When you try to tell me how the EU is undemocratic and then refuse to accept that the UK is actually objectively worse, then I'll criticise your lack of knowledge and how you may have voted. Quote:
Why continually play the game like they have been lied to?
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People like me are pissed off being ignored, told to shut up because we are bigots, fascists, xenophobes, racists and misogynsts. The stupidity of the metropolitan elite thought the they could shut down debate by shouting down those who didn't agree with them.....the only thing it did do was push it underground. Kicking and screaming made no difference, and now that same elite doesn't have a bloody clue how to mount a comeback to the actions of the silent majority.
You're being a bit hypocritical tbh. You go on about the "metropolitan elite", stereotyping a lot of different people, but then complain because the so called "elite" do the same for you. |
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People like me are pissed off being ignored, told to shut up because we are bigots, fascists, xenophobes, racists and misogynsts. The stupidity of the metropolitan elite thought the they could shut down debate by shouting down those who didn't agree with them.....the only thing it did do was push it underground. Kicking and screaming made no difference, and now that same elite doesn't have a bloody clue how to mount a comeback to the actions of the silent majority. |
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Even if you are not a bigot or xenophobe, many people in the same group as you actually are.
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One word 'Fear'
People fear for the future of jobs because of increased automation People fear for the future because of increased globalisation People fear for the future because of increased immigration People fear for the future because of the increasing rate of change And they do not trust the political elite to be able to do anything - even less one as remote as the EU. It is ironic that in the US they picked Trump - since it looks like all he is doing is replacing one elite (the political elite) with another (his billionaire mates) |
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See these metropolitan elite types of Scotland and Northern Ireland voting to remain. Thank God the brexiters gave 2 fingers up to the 'eliites' and the peoples champions Theresa and Boris can end this elitist tyranny. Thank God the US (a minority of them) elected Trump and his administration of wealthy business and politicos. Great times ahead for the dispossessed with all the tax breaks that are coming the way of the top earners.
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Call me a "metropolitan elite" if you like. I'm actually a country bumpkin. I do have a degree though, but it is from a filthy ex-poly.
![]() That could just as easily have been me writing that. Mind you, I'm over 60, so should probably have voted to leave. |
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People can't control the things that REALLY affect their lives - the lack of jobs, the lack of housing, poor prospects, declining public services, the massive and growing inequalities in society, the price of food and goods.
So they go for the people, who insist, against all the evidence, that they ARE in control of those things ..... politicians. If they could change the other things by the ballot box, they would. But it is the impossible illusion of change that they are offered. What happens next when they discover that nothing has changed in a few years time ..... well, who knows. |
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How is it that the superior intellectual magnificence of the Remain campaign failed to get enough of the the gullible and easily-led* peasants to vote the right way? How is it that this single easy task was not completed to a satisfactory level?
* leaving aside the various remarks of 'old' 'xenophobic' 'uneducated' 'trying to bring back the 50s' etc |
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How is it that the superior intellectual magnificence of the Remain campaign failed to get enough of the the gullible and easily-led* peasants to vote the right way? How is it that this single easy task was not completed to a satisfactory level?
If I gave you a treatise on why Trump will abjectly fail to bring back manufacturing you will be bored witless before the end of the first sentence. Not only that but a complex argument does not fit in the 5 minutes of the hourly news bulletin. |
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It is always easier if you coach your message in bite sized chunks.
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How is it that the superior intellectual magnificence of the Remain campaign failed to get enough of the the gullible and easily-led* peasants to vote the right way? How is it that this single easy task was not completed to a satisfactory level?
* leaving aside the various remarks of 'old' 'xenophobic' 'uneducated' 'trying to bring back the 50s' etc Very good questions and although I may be too thick a "knuckle-dragger" to understand the answers, I am hoping someone "highly educated" will be along to explain this abject failure. |
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The lessons of Trump and Brexit
Abraham Lincoln was right in the speech he made in Clinton, Illinois.
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It is always easier if you coach your message in bite sized chunks. So Trump saying 'He will bring back manufacturing, or make America Great. The Brexit campaign with £350m for the NHS
Coverage of the EU Referendum in the UK's national press is "heavily skewed in favour of Brexit," a study has suggested. Of 928 articles analysed by the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, 45 per cent were in favour of leaving while 27 per cent were in favour of staying. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...-a7043446.html These offshore tax dodging newspaper barons giving it to the man. |
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It is always easier if you coach your message in bite sized chunks. So Trump saying 'He will bring back manufacturing, or make America Great. The Brexit campaign with £350m for the NHS
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It is always easier if you coach your message in bite sized chunks. So Trump saying 'He will bring back manufacturing, or make America Great. The Brexit campaign with £350m for the NHS
If I gave you a treatise on why Trump will abjectly fail to bring back manufacturing you will be bored witless before the end of the first sentence. Not only that but a complex argument does not fit in the 5 minutes of the hourly news bulletin. |
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This helped a bit as well
Coverage of the EU Referendum in the UK's national press is "heavily skewed in favour of Brexit," a study has suggested. ... ![]() Quote:
Of 928 articles analysed by the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, 45 per cent were in favour of leaving while 27 per cent were in favour of staying.
All it proves is that the pro-brexit people talked more!
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If the pro-remain links all went to the wrong articles like this one, it's not surprising
![]() All it proves is that the pro-brexit people talked more! Like these http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...thornberry.jpg http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/...dof-566500.jpg |
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All it proves is that the pro-brexit people talked more!
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If the pro-remain links all went to the wrong articles like this one, it's not surprising
![]() ! My cunning attempt to remind people of Charlie Brooker Screenwipe tonight ![]() Corrected now
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Think you mean couch your message, not coach. Are we talking stuff like "Back of the queue" or "£30bn black hole emergency budget"?
As for the £30bn black hole have you any idea where that comes from because while the figure itself maybe suspect - the principle behind the comment is perfectly sound. |
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People in the West are seeing their security and national identity under threat by the left who have failed to persuade them that living in a 'diverse' society is somehow more important than having a job and a home or school places for their children. Austria, The Netherlands, France, Italy and now the German people are starting to ask questions. We can however, find the most fervent and uncompromising nationalists on our own doorstep. In Scotland.
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No it doesn't, all it proves is the amount of reporting, it says nothing about who or what was said
![]() Now I've had a chance to RTFA, it just seems to say that the pro-brexit sources had more pro-point-of-view articles than pro-remain sources which doesn't seem much of a surprise when you look at which sources were biased in which direction - the stat is interesting but not I think particularly revealing of anything especially new. |
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People in the West are seeing their security and national identity under threat by the left who have failed to persuade them that living in a 'diverse' society is somehow more important than having a job and a home or school places for their children. Austria, The Netherlands, France, Italy and now the German people are starting to ask questions. We can however, find the most fervent and uncompromising nationalists on our own doorstep. In Scotland.
you mean the most embracing unlike your own anti immigrant rhetoric? |
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Missed that one by seconds. At least he does not wish for your early death.
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