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Old 29-12-2016, 16:59
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Just a thought I had as to what people's attitudes were towards acts on The X Factor/Britain's Got Talent/The Voice and the material they release. No matter how much you liked the song/material would you refuse to go out of your way to buy it because it was the material of a talent show contestant? I wouldn't, personally but then I've been a fan of The X Factor/Britain's Got Talent since I was young.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:33
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Not at all.

Some people can be snobbish but if an act from X Factor went on to release a great single that I really liked, I would buy it. It makes no sense if someone really likes a song but refuses to buy it just because the singer became famous through X Factor or BGT.

It's just seeing sub-par acts getting pushed so much on these shows that irritates me the most.
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Old 29-12-2016, 17:34
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Nope, if it was good enough id buy it. Bought stuff from Girls Aloud and Will Young and I have streamed Ella Henderson, James Arthur, Fleur East, Little Mix and others.

Its not really my taste most of it but good pop is good pop.
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Old 29-12-2016, 18:00
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Not a problem. If an artist can produce some good music I wouldn't be bothered they came from a talent show. I really like Little Mix, for example.
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Old 29-12-2016, 19:53
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Yes...because the nature of a talent show is the opposite of actually finding talent...but if people want to keep listening and supporting this crap it is up to them.

Should be in showbiz forum not music.
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Old 29-12-2016, 20:05
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Not a problem. If an artist can produce some good music I wouldn't be bothered they came from a talent show. I really like Little Mix, for example.
I'm yet to hear anything good by an artist whose come though a modern talent show. Most of it is bland pop or boring ballads, nothing interesting whatever. Of course if we ever get to the point where we get a genuinely great act or song then I would buy it - it's just we haven't got to that yet and i'm not sure a person of genuine talent would waste there time on the soap opera/drama of these modern talent show (which often seem to be more about the judges than the contestants, and I tend to find are watched by people who aren't really into music).

Considering these shows have been running in the UK for 15+ years, have we actually had a song that is how thought as a modern classic? Or even close?
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Old 29-12-2016, 20:11
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Seems petty to deliberately ignore a song you like just because someone found fame on a reality TV show. I absolutely despise The X Factor, but James Arthur's latest album was really good...so I bought it. Why wouldn't I?
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Old 29-12-2016, 20:47
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Considering these shows have been running in the UK for 15+ years, have we actually had a song that is how thought as a modern classic? Or even close?
It depends on what you consider to be a modern classic. What would you consider to be a modern classic anyway?

I'd say One Direction's What Makes You Beautiful is a pretty good pop song. Even some who don't like One Direction think so.

Will Young's Leave Right Now? It's quite a recognisable song anyway.
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Old 29-12-2016, 21:11
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If I like the music then no, it doesn't matter if they came from a talent show or not. I've bought stuff of Girls Aloud, Liberty X, Alexandra Burke, Little Mix, Ben Haenow (mum wanted his album for Christmas 2015), Fifth Harmony (weren't they from US X Factor) and a few others. I've also listened to other songs from British and American talent shows.
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Old 29-12-2016, 21:56
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No there have been some great albums released by talent show contestants. I don't watch them myself but every so often someone will pique my inteeest.

Diana Vickers- two great albums
Ella Henderson- A really talented young woman
Jennifer Hudson- goes without saying

So sometimes someone can outshine and over come the machine to stand out.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:43
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Considering these shows have been running in the UK for 15+ years, have we actually had a song that is how thought as a modern classic? Or even close?
It can take a while before a song is called a classic. But these are good pop songs.

Girls Aloud 'Sound of the Underground' and 'Biology'
Leona Lewis 'Bleeding Love'
One Direction 'What Makes you Beautiful'. "Story of My Life'
Diana Vickers 'Once'
Liberty X 'Just a Little'
JLS 'Beat Again'
Rebecca Ferguson 'Nothing's Real But Love'
Little Mix 'Black Magic'
Ella Henderson 'Ghost'
Will Young 'Leave Right Now'
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:56
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There hasn't been a U.K. talent show act yet that's made the sort of music to my personal taste after appearing in the show. Though I have music released by Peyton from this years XF that he made years previously.

I've really liked several of the American Idol acts though but think Jennifer Hudson is the only one I've purchased anything by.

Actually I really liked Back 2 Love by Rueben Stoddard and Kelly Price so I think that would be my favourite song by someone from a rtv talent show
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Old 30-12-2016, 06:36
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Musically yes, but pop isn't a genre I care for.

There have been talented comedians who got their break on talent shows (Les Dawson on Opportunity Knocks and Lenny Henry on New Faces).
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Old 30-12-2016, 08:15
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It can take a while before a song is called a classic. But these are good pop songs.

Girls Aloud 'Sound of the Underground' and 'Biology'
Leona Lewis 'Bleeding Love'
One Direction 'What Makes you Beautiful'. "Story of My Life'
Diana Vickers 'Once'
Liberty X 'Just a Little'
JLS 'Beat Again'
Rebecca Ferguson 'Nothing's Real But Love'
Little Mix 'Black Magic'
Ella Henderson 'Ghost'
Will Young 'Leave Right Now'
The problem is there are tons and tons of good pop songs out there, non of these stand out as something special. The older ones on your list are already pretty much forgotten.
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Old 30-12-2016, 08:39
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Just a thought I had as to what people's attitudes were towards acts on The X Factor/Britain's Got Talent/The Voice and the material they release. No matter how much you liked the song/material would you refuse to go out of your way to buy it because it was the material of a talent show contestant? I wouldn't, personally but then I've been a fan of The X Factor/Britain's Got Talent since I was young.

typically yes. main reason is those shows appeal to a certain type of audience, so they aren't looking for the type of act i'd be interested in. i can't think of a single act in history who has went on from a TV talent show to become an act who has made a record of musical significance

generally those acts will have a period of popularity of the back of the show and if they stay in showbusiness they will end up on jukebox musicals or working in places like butlins or other light entertainment daytime tv type stuff

no one is going on a TV talent show with any realistic hopes of winning if they are a geniunely talented musician with potential to do something groundbreaking. the judges of those shows are just looking for the next pop act who can be dressed in the latest fashions and perform tracks that blokes in a studio have writtena and recorded for them to "sing" on a track that some other blocks will get them dancing in a music video to help sell calendars and posters at xmas. those shows are for people who want fame as opposed to making great music
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:17
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God no, some of my favourite singers are the product of a talent show, Miranda Lambert, Kacey Musgraves, Chris Young, all from Nashville Star. All great singers that have developed and found their own voice since first appearing on the show.
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:56
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typically yes. main reason is those shows appeal to a certain type of audience, so they aren't looking for the type of act i'd be interested in. i can't think of a single act in history who has went on from a TV talent show to become an act who has made a record of musical significance

generally those acts will have a period of popularity of the back of the show and if they stay in showbusiness they will end up on jukebox musicals or working in places like butlins or other light entertainment daytime tv type stuff

no one is going on a TV talent show with any realistic hopes of winning if they are a geniunely talented musician with potential to do something groundbreaking. the judges of those shows are just looking for the next pop act who can be dressed in the latest fashions and perform tracks that blokes in a studio have writtena and recorded for them to "sing" on a track that some other blocks will get them dancing in a music video to help sell calendars and posters at xmas. those shows are for people who want fame as opposed to making great music
I haven't been to Butlins, I think Haven are more popular these days, but I can safely say that Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Usher, Alanis Morrisette, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood and Jennifer Hudson haven't played there recently. I think between them they have produced some 'significant music' and all of them have been involved in talent shows.

U2 were helped by winning a talent show in Limerick run by the Evening Press in 1978, not televised but how many rock groups got their first break in a Battle of the Bands competition?
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:14
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The problem is there are tons and tons of good pop songs out there, non of these stand out as something special. The older ones on your list are already pretty much forgotten.
Well I didn't forget them and I don't watch talent shows that much. We can all have selective memories when we want. There are also tons and tons of poor pop songs out there and those listed don't fit into that category.

It's hard to get agreement on what is a good pop song let alone a 'classic'. Almost no matter what you suggest is a classic, there is some dissenter who will not like that song. I suggested 'Bittersweet Symphony' by The Verve is a classic in a thread but found that there were some who simply would not agree. I'm sure there is someone who thinks that 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' is not a classic!
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:15
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Not a problem. If an artist can produce some good music I wouldn't be bothered they came from a talent show. I really like Little Mix, for example.
true, some can produce decent pop songs... nothing ground breaking of course...

but after 15 odd years of tv talent shows, just what % of finalists (it really doesnt have to be just the winners, as in most cases its touch and go) do go on to produce decent pop songs?...

i do think there is some justification for writing off or ignoring acts from tv talent shows.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:22
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true, some can produce decent pop songs... nothing ground breaking of course...

but after 15 odd years of tv talent shows, just what % of finalists (it really doesnt have to be just the winners, as in most cases its touch and go) do go on to produce decent pop songs?...

i do think there is some justification for writing off or ignoring acts from tv talent shows.
Ok, but then how many artists take the traditional route or the new viral video route and still don't make anything worth listening to?
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:43
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Going off at slight tangent...

When I watched Les Miserables on stage a few years ago, one of the main roles, Marius was played by Gareth Gates.... he was a lot better than I expected him to be
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:10
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There's no real reason to. There have been some great singers and artists who have used talent shows as a platform. I'd rather people write off the show (one in particular) in question than the contestants - don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:19
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Yes...because the nature of a talent show is the opposite of actually finding talent...but if people want to keep listening and supporting this crap it is up to them.

Should be in showbiz forum not music.
So you think Kelly Clarkson is crap then........
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:24
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So you think Kelly Clarkson is crap then........
I thought I summed it up fairly obviously....though to be fair I think the US shows focused or seemed to get contestants that would be considered having better talent than anything the British shows ever had.
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Old 30-12-2016, 14:18
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yeh like Daughtry, can you imagine a band like them coming from X factor here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ92eyxnxmQ
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