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There's not really much to get outraged over. When all is said and done, the Russian hackers only exposed something that was actually happening. It's not like any of it was untrue.
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Is this referring to the DNC hack? Where it was proved that the info about corruption was correct? People get hacked all the time. Where is the evidence it was Russia?
You forget to mention how it was leaked that America was hacking EVERYONE!!! Having access to Merkels phone / peoples private accounts. I remember that was a scandal and nobody started throwing out sanctions to the US. |
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Putin's cronies hacked into Demoratic Party's infrastructure and probably swayed an election.
He is laughing at this weak response. |
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The US have evidence of interference in their electoral process - and the government and Republican opposition now accept it took place. Evidence that was lacking in the Merkel phone scandal, which was dropped by German prosecutors. Of course it may have been dropped because the US and Germany are allies and they sorted the issue privately - something that isn't true of the US and Russia (or the UK and Russia for that matter). And that is the crucial difference - Putin's government are not our friends, and when they mess with the elections of the US they are not going to be told (except by Trump) 'oh don't worry about it'.
The US has been hacking everyone and now the shoe is on the other foot. Everyone is hacking everyone. A kid hacked TalkTalk and tried to get millions from them. Anyone is capable. If the USA was so certain why not publish evidence Russia was involved in the hacking? DNC where GUILTY of corruption. Fact. Its what turned me off Hillary for certain. I actually supported her before all that came out. |
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Would you make friends with someone who burgled your house? Yes, Russia is different - but..
If Russia is different, why use the allegory? Russia has not harmed us. No need to invent they have because certain politicians in the UK view Russia as evil. The world has changed. Brexit, Trump and Syria's outcome usher in a new age - the msm has to play catch up - but the writing is on the wall for convenient and promoted enemies as per the Guardian, Express, Daily Fail and New York Times. People are starting to turn away from pre-prepared arguments against nations formed in the 1950s. |
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Well they are now threatening retaliation. Out of interest, what would you think a proportionate response would have been?
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There's not really much to get outraged over. When all is said and done, the Russian hackers only exposed something that was actually happening. It's not like any of it was untrue.
end of the day there was very little in any of the hacked e-mails that was really that significant but it perpetuated a story, it helped to create confusion between the hacked e-mails and the FBI investigation into her using an un-secured private e-mail server, which afaik none of the leaked e-mails came from, and most importantly it added to the perception of clinton being untrustworthy and having things to hide it was a classic case of there cant be smoke without fire but never actually exposed any fire from day one clinton's biggest weakness was no-one trusted her, these leaks and the story it created made that worse. did that cost her the election, i very much doubt anyone can prove that either way, however given in the key swing states that ultimately cost her the election the expected democrat turnout was much lower than expected, it does suggest that people were not motivated to vote for her even if they were democrats, and that trust issue was undoubtedly a factor in that lack of motivation. |
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The US have evidence of interference in their electoral process - and the government and Republican opposition now accept it took place. Evidence that was lacking in the Merkel phone scandal, which was dropped by German prosecutors. Of course it may have been dropped because the US and Germany are allies and they sorted the issue privately - something that isn't true of the US and Russia (or the UK and Russia for that matter). And that is the crucial difference - Putin's government are not our friends, and when they mess with the elections of the US they are not going to be told (except by Trump) 'oh don't worry about it'.
What else is there? Oh the newspaper 'source' which everyone has jumped on, but no official statement from the CIA or the FBI. Unless I've missed that bit of news? |
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That's rubbish.
The US has been hacking everyone and now the shoe is on the other foot. Everyone is hacking everyone. A kid hacked TalkTalk and tried to get millions from them. Anyone is capable. If the USA was so certain why not publish evidence Russia was involved in the hacking? DNC where GUILTY of corruption. Fact. Its what turned me off Hillary for certain. I actually supported her before all that came out. |
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To be fair, there is no evidence. Nothing has been produced. One statement from October in which they sang around the issue, and then produced no evidence.
What else is there? Oh the newspaper 'source' which everyone has jumped on, but no official statement from the CIA or the FBI. Unless I've missed that bit of news? https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...R_16-20296.pdf http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politi...ssian-hacking/ ""Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election." (John Brennan) |
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Well they are now threatening retaliation. Out of interest, what would you think a proportionate response would have been?
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Everyone hacks everyone, but not everyone releases information in a way to influence the election of other nations. The fact that you're just glossing over it and trying to blame the US is very telling of your priorities and agenda.
I want to see it. I don't believe the propaganda. Sorry, but I don't. Given how bought and sold the media was for Clinton which is undeniable. Where on earth did they get the quote that Putin gave the "go ahead" to rig the election? Its pure fantasy. It seems more desperation from Democrats to explain their very bad performance. They also lost on the senate / house. Did Putin do that also? Given you're accusing Russia of influencing the election by revealing the DNC where biased against wanting to give Hillary the nomination. |
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Would you make friends with someone who burgled your house? Yes, Russia is different - but that doesn't mean we should let them do whatever they damn well like outside their borders.
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FBI - we are going to re-open the investigation into Hillary Clinton's e-mails because of some tenuous links to the Anthony Weiner case
Trump supporters - LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! FBI - We have confirmed evidence from intelligence sources that Russian hacking interfered in the US election Trump Supporters - Show us the evidence, we dont believe you. |
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That's rubbish.
The US has been hacking everyone and now the shoe is on the other foot. Everyone is hacking everyone. A kid hacked TalkTalk and tried to get millions from them. Anyone is capable. If the USA was so certain why not publish evidence Russia was involved in the hacking? DNC where GUILTY of corruption. Fact. Its what turned me off Hillary for certain. I actually supported her before all that came out. As for publishing - well I am not sure why they need to... as the Republicans accept the evidence and the sanctions are supported by them as well. |
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FBI - we are going to re-open the investigation into Hillary Clinton's e-mails because of some tenuous links to the Anthony Weiner case
Trump supporters - LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! FBI - We have confirmed evidence from intelligence sources that Russian hacking interfered in the US election Trump Supporters - Show us the evidence, we dont believe you. The American people want an official investigation into Hillary in depth and published results. Not the BS wash over we got. People have had their lives ruined and incarcerated for years in comparison. It was a disgrace which even people who voted for her felt disgusted about. |
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Ejecting diplomats, retaliatory cyber attacks, releasing some sensitive info, possibly sanctions.
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https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...R_16-20296.pdf http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politi...ssian-hacking/ ""Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election." (John Brennan) |
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Where is the official empirical evidence that hacking was from Russia??
I want to see it. I don't believe the propaganda. Sorry, but I don't. Given how bought and sold the media was for Clinton which is undeniable. Where on earth did they get the quote that Putin gave the "go ahead" to rig the election? Its pure fantasy. It seems more desperation from Democrats to explain their very bad performance. They also lost on the senate / house. Did Putin do that also? Given you're accusing Russia of influencing the election by revealing the DNC where biased against wanting to give Hillary the nomination. Note the complete lack of any leaks of info about the Republican candidates. Nobody buys that this was just some organic releasing of information except people who are pro-Russia and troll internet boards trying to muddy the waters. |
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Interesting disclaimer.
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Oh give it a rest. If the heaven's parted and evidence was put gently in your lap, you still wouldn't believe it. You won't believe anything that doesn't come out of the Kremlin.
Note the complete lack of any leaks of info about the Republican candidates. Nobody buys that this was just some organic releasing of information except people who are pro-Russia and troll internet boards trying to muddy the waters. The best they could come up with was the Trump video. Also I note they did not mention the hacking until AFTER Hillary lost. She is a graceless loser. As I said earlier. I initially supported Clinton but she and DNC messed up big league. I then was in the IDGAF category and was amused Trump won .
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If Russia is different, why use the allegory? Russia has not harmed us. No need to invent they have because certain politicians in the UK view Russia as evil. The world has changed. Brexit, Trump and Syria's outcome usher in a new age - the msm has to play catch up - but the writing is on the wall for convenient and promoted enemies as per the Guardian, Express, Daily Fail and New York Times. People are starting to turn away from pre-prepared arguments against nations formed in the 1950s. I said Russia is not our ally - and they are not. Being an ally is a very specific relationship... not being an ally doesn't make you an enemy by the way. Personally I like Russia... I don't however like the Putin government. |
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Not really, pretty standard.
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Seems Obama's response is backfiring.
Lots of people see it as petty and don't really see the point. |
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Yep, maybe because there was no dirt on the Republican candidates.
The best they could come up with was the Trump video. Also I note they did not mention the hacking until AFTER Hillary lost. She is a graceless loser. As I said earlier. I initially supported Clinton but she and DNC messed up big league. I then was in the IDGAF category and was amused Trump won . |
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