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Old 29-12-2016, 23:40
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Blaming Russia for Clinton's loss is like blaming a gossip for revealling the fact that a husband is cheating on his wife and causing the marriage to break up as a result.

Of course the husband is to blame due to his lies and deceit, but some twisted minds might try to place the blame on the gossip, who was meddling yet speaking the truth.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:44
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Obama is smarting because Putin beat him again.

I think Obama is a very very petulant man who seems to hold grudges. He will be gone soon. Thankfully.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:45
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Obama is smarting because Putin beat him again.

I think Obama is a very very petulant man who seems to hold grudges. He will be gone soon. Thankfully.
If you think Obama is petulant wait until you get Trump.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:49
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Obama is smarting because Putin beat him again.

I think Obama is a very very petulant man who seems to hold grudges. He will be gone soon. Thankfully.
Obama is not as cerebral as the msm leads its flock to believe. What he is doing now is the equivalent of smashing the chessboard after losing.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:51
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That's rubbish.

The US has been hacking everyone and now the shoe is on the other foot. Everyone is hacking everyone.

A kid hacked TalkTalk and tried to get millions from them. Anyone is capable.

If the USA was so certain why not publish evidence Russia was involved in the hacking?

DNC where GUILTY of corruption. Fact. Its what turned me off Hillary for certain. I actually supported her before all that came out.
Whoever got hold of the emails, which apparently wasn't hacking in the technical sense, it was email phishing. which you don't need top computer programmers for, they did the job which American journalists were supposed to be doing.
Which of course they weren't and wouldn't anyway because as the content of some of the emails revealed they were shown colluding with the DNC.

If anyone wants to talk about Russia or anyone interfering with American democracy, then why aren't they also talking about some of the people in the contents of some of the emails who were colluding with the Democrats? Whose actions would most certainly be an example of inference with the American democratic process.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:54
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If you think Obama is petulant wait until you get Trump.
I do not understand this attitude. It is all over social media so maybe I am missing something.

Trump does not seem like the type of person who could ever be petulant. He is like a fist which swings across a table, smashing everything in its path to the floor. If he decides to do something, everyone had better cooperate or there will be hell to pay. But add in a healthy dose of intelligence. He is not going to unleash war which would damage any of his business partners.

Credit Trump with some intelligence ... after all he is very successful, ambitious and upcoming president of the most powerful nation in the world. the mockery is getting embarrassing.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:55
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This kind of evidence?

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...R_16-20296.pdf

This report is provided “as is” for informational purposes only. The Department of Homeland
Security (DHS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within.
thats not evidence...
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:55
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If they don't have more dirt than this on the Russians they really haven't been doing thier jobs properly.
And by the same token, if this email thing is the only thing they have on the Russians you've honestly got to question how much of a threat Russia actually is to them.
These emails. this is it? This is all they've got?
To garner this sort of response from America you'd have thought that Russia had been caught hacking into military or financial systems.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:57
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If you think Obama is petulant wait until you get Trump.
Possibly, and it's commented on often enough. Obama seems to get away with an awful lot, especially considering the damage he and Clinton have done to the Middle East, with so many lives lost/ruined. I do hope it all comes out eventually.

Obama is not as cerebral as the msm leads its flock to believe. What he is doing now is the equivalent of smashing the chessboard after losing.
I really don't get the almost continuous praise for him. What has Obama done that is good for the world?

That press conference today. I could tell he was lying about the so-called evidence he has for Putin interfering in the election. There is no proof whatsoever. And Julian Assange has said repeatedly that the leaks came from inside the DNC and not from Russia.
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Old 29-12-2016, 23:58
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thats not evidence...
I know
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:00
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Everyone hacks everyone, but not everyone releases information in a way to influence the election of other nations. The fact that you're just glossing over it and trying to blame the US is very telling of your priorities and agenda.
The US isn't being blamed. Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, and the Democratic party are.
It's funny how when they spy on the public they say "If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear".
In this case what they appear to have been trying to hide was information the American public should have been made aware of. And we still have no evidence that it was even Russia.

And you are casually saying that this information was released to influence the election.
To think that Russia have only just started hacking America for the sole purpose of affecting the result of this election would have to mean that you think Russia are new to this spying business and don't do it all the time anyway. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of that specific intent here. It's pure speculation. There would need to be concrete proof that this was their intent. And secondly it's a leap to assume that this was Russia's doing anyway. If they can't produce even some evidence (No names necessarily need to be released, just evidence of some form of action) then it suggests to me that they really don't know.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:02
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sorry im not used to people reading the sources they link
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:03
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ROFL - I think we have some of these (mentioned in the article) on here.

http://www.rferl.org/a/how-to-guide-.../26919999.html

In fact - I'd put money on it.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:10
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ROFL - I think we have some of these (mentioned in the article) on here.

http://www.rferl.org/a/how-to-guide-.../26919999.html

In fact - I'd put money on it.
The website you just quoted seems to be Anti-Soviet propaganda radio station based in Prague and Washington which is still running today.. and here was me thinking those quoting RT were desperate..

You simply couldn't make this up..
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:15
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FBI
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...R_16-20296.pdf

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politi...ssian-hacking/

""Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election." (John Brennan)
The question isn't whether other countries may find it more desirable to have one American president over another or not. The question is who got their hands on these emails and whether intent was involved. It's that specific.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:20
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FBI - we are going to re-open the investigation into Hillary Clinton's e-mails because of some tenuous links to the Anthony Weiner case

Trump supporters - LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!


FBI - We have confirmed evidence from intelligence sources that Russian hacking interfered in the US election

Trump Supporters - Show us the evidence, we dont believe you.
If you think about it the DNC are in a catch-22 situation.
As most of us can recall Hillary Clinton was let off the hook because it was deemed that her use of a private email server was not a threat to American security as there is no evidence that any of the emails led to a breach. Phew, that's a relief then.

But now they want to play it that Russia have breached American security....which begs the question "Then what about Clinton's innocence then?"

I notice that it's Obama doing most of the talking and Clinton not so much. So perhaps they couldn't care less about Clinton now and find the bigger picture more important?

One things for sure, it's going to be very interesting to see if this develops further once Trump is inaugurated.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:23
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couple of things

i really dont understand this continued denial of russian involvement, there is support from senior republicans for these actions, most saying they go nowhere near far enough

mitch mcconnell, the republican senate majority leader, called them "a good initial step, however late in coming"

paul ryan, the republican speaker of the house, called them "overdue"

thats not to mention the joint statement by mccain and graham. these are people who have seen the evidence provided of the russian activities and have little reason to be complaining about clinton losing, even tho they may not be trump's biggest supporters, a pretend republican like him is still better in their eyes than a democrat.


secondly, are people so naive to believe that just because the only information leaked was related to the hacks of the DNC that nothing else was compromised? thats why republicans are so concerned about this as they are worried just how far this hacking went and what hasn't been made public by the russians.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:24
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"but vlad i thought we were bigly friends. sad"
It took me a while to realise this, but Trump is actually saying "big league".
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:27
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Oh give it a rest. If the heaven's parted and evidence was put gently in your lap, you still wouldn't believe it. You won't believe anything that doesn't come out of the Kremlin.

Note the complete lack of any leaks of info about the Republican candidates. Nobody buys that this was just some organic releasing of information except people who are pro-Russia and troll internet boards trying to muddy the waters.
But you're assuming that it was Russia. Many of the people here are saying that they don't believe Russia had anything to do with it.
So to say that you don't believe Russia was involved must mean that you are pro-Russia?
There's as much evidence for that claim as there is for the claim that the DNC are trying to make.

Yes I've noted that lack of leaks of info about the Republican candidates. Which I assume is because they followed protocol and didn't set up private email servers when handling sensitive information, carelessly click on phishing links, or have crap passwords like Obama08.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:28
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It took me a while to realise this, but Trump is actually saying "big league".
no he doesn't he actually used the word "bigly" in tweets ...
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:33
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It was an entirely different context.

It was a "Russia is evil and trying to make Trump win".

Since they addressed this continuously. Kinda disproves the point they "swayed" the election because people already knew what Russia was supposedly doing. People made their own minds up and did not vote for her.
And at the time they insisted that the result has to be accepted. Because if you don't accept the result then it's dangerous because it's an attack on democracy.
They said this a long time after the email situation came out and were even sabre-rattling against Russia at the time.
They said it was impossible to fix the election.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:36
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Intereresting that it happened on the same day Putin got a ceasefire signed in Syria.
It honestly looks like Obama is jealous that Russia has succeeded where American
failed.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:36
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No, it really wasn't. This whole hacking thing has been rumbling along since the spring. What you seem not to get is that it doesn't actually matter whether it influenced the election result at all... what matters is that Russia tried to influence it. THAT is the reason for the sanctions and the reason why Republicans not only support them, but don't think they go far enough.
It's fair enough for them to say that stringent measures should be put in place to protect against potential future security breaches. But it's incredibly rich of the Democratic Party to be preaching this seeing as it's due to their own ineptitude and carelessness which resulted in the leaks in the first place.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:38
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Like Obama tried to influence our referendum - and Goldman Sachs.. and many other foreign entities.
Like the EU trying to influence the vote in the referendum.
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Old 30-12-2016, 00:40
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no he doesn't he actually used the word "bigly" in tweets ...
yeh, its a meme
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