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Trump understands the heart and minds of Putin...
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Experts saying there is more to come.
Obama making the kind of foreign policy decisions in the last three weeks of his presidency that he should have been making over the last three years. |
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Whatever proof they provide, if they ever do, it has to be compelling.
Because for one, they have to prove that Russia hacked them, and secondly they have to provide proof that there was an intent to interfere with the election. And on a third point they'd also have to demonstrate how they've measured how much of an effect it had on the election if it did at all. Because at the moment why should anyone trust what they've said so far when they originally claimed to the public that the emails were false or had been doctored? |
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They've already submitted reports and have the agreement of the FBI, DHS and CIA. Read the reports. They've been accepted by both parties in the US. The fact that pro-Russian posters on here need to be sent a gift-wrapped Blu-ray of a hacker typing on a keyboard is irrelevant.
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They've already submitted reports and have the agreement of the FBI, DHS and CIA. Read the reports. They've been accepted by both parties in the US. The fact that pro-Russian posters on here need to be sent a gift-wrapped Blu-ray of a hacker typing on a keyboard is irrelevant.
Forget about how it drops nuclear bombs on other countries and attempts regime change over and over again, pretending it's local "rebels" causing carnage, not them. Those are just minor issues. Putin on the other hand What has he done in the past few years? He's been bombing hospitals with helpless sick babies in them - we know this because the USA told us.
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They've already submitted reports and have the agreement of the FBI, DHS and CIA. Read the reports. They've been accepted by both parties in the US. The fact that pro-Russian posters on here need to be sent a gift-wrapped Blu-ray of a hacker typing on a keyboard is irrelevant.
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Putin has declared that he won't stoop to any tit-for-tat reprisals.
No doubt Mr Trump has reassured him that his diplomats can come back on the 21st of Jan. |
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Just said on the BBC lunchtime news that Putin wont retaliate by expelling any US diplomats in a tit-for -tat until President Elect Trump has commented
Edit Just seen Lemoncurd has already posted this Good decision by Putin which should make it make it more difficult for Obama to do anything more |
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Just said on the BBC lunchtime news that Putin wont retaliate by expelling any US diplomats in a tit-for -tat until President Elect Trump has commented
Edit Just seen Lemoncurd has already posted this Good decision by Putin which should make it make it more difficult for Obama to do anything more Everything falls into place - Putin simply has to sit and wait - the final parts of the jigsaw has all fallen into place. I'll bet he can't believe how easy it's been - I'll bet he can't believe (or maybe he can) how bloody stupid a huge wave of the US electorate are. It's like the equivalent UK voters voting in Simon Cowell. They like him on the telly - he has a lot of mony ergo he has great business sense and would therefore make a great Prime Minister. |
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Yes the USA always tells the truth and is a great global symbol of peace and integrity.
Forget about how it drops nuclear bombs on other countries and attempts regime change over and over again, pretending it's local "rebels" causing carnage, not them. Those are just minor issues. Putin on the other hand What has he done in the past few years? He's been bombing hospitals with helpless sick babies in them - we know this because the USA told us.Now let the people who think critically will continue to discuss the issue. Thanks. |
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Just said on the BBC lunchtime news that Putin wont retaliate by expelling any US diplomats in a tit-for -tat until President Elect Trump has commented
Edit Just seen Lemoncurd has already posted this Good decision by Putin which should make it make it more difficult for Obama to do anything more |
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Good grief. If you're just going to assume everything that comes out of the US is a lie, and evil (lol) and everything they say about Russia is propaganda, then you have nothing to add to the conversation. You've made up your mind, good for you.
Now let the people who think critically will continue to discuss the issue. Thanks. Both Russia and the US are no angels. Obama in particular is acting like a child atm. |
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Obama is really quite dumb, detached from reality or both. Perhaps the most disappointing president in years.
The US president tried to threaten us effectively with trade sanctions if we didn't vote the way the US government desired in the Brexit referendum presumably he thought we would bow to his superior wisdom. This was such a basic diplomatic error I could hardly believe what he had done. You have to blame the DNC and Clinton or who ever runs the security that there systems got so easily phished. The Gary McKinnon case really just shows you how rubbish the Americans are at security and they should look at their own issues. As usual they need someone to blame. |
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The Elephant in the room is that the DNC is in complete meltdown. Regardless of how they got out the emails exposed a political party that is broken, at war with large sections of its own membership and is in bed with some sections of the media.
And no one at the top is showing any interest in fixing it. If your "chosen one" struggles against a Social Democrat that only joined the party to increase his profile, you have problems. |
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The poster didn't mention the word evil which you bizarrely 'lol'ed, that is your aunt sally argument technique. I do not think you are thinking critically either - I think you are thinking emotionally. The US has clearly told porkies on countless occasions. As another poster stated, one should take everything coming out of the CIA and FBI with a pinch of salt as it appears politically motivated - just like Clinton's emails slip-up that was swept under the carpet by the same agencies now accusing Russia with no evidence.
Both Russia and the US are no angels. Obama in particular is acting like a child atm. If you think the CIA, HSA and FBI are putting out reports showing the meddling of Russia in US elections because it's politically motivated, then you have simply to look at House Republicans, who have accepted the report. The FBI didn't 'sweep up' Clinton's email, are you crazy? Comey gave a press conference that brought the issue to the forefront of the campaign days before the vote was held. The idea that the FBI is politically against Trump is complete ignorance. |
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The US president tried to threaten us effectively with trade sanctions if we didn't vote the way the US government desired in the Brexit referendum |
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Obama now needs to turn the screw.
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Now let the people who think critically will continue to discuss the issue. Thanks.
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...-2016-1229.pdf DISCLAIMER: This report is provided “as is” for informational purposes only. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within. Hardly reassuring given the way the report is being used. As for the attack- In spring 2016, APT28 compromised the same political party, again via targeted spearphishing. This time, the spearphishing email tricked recipients into changing their passwords through a fake webmail domain hosted on APT28 operational infrastructure. So your basic mail shot and 'click this now!' attack. Most of the doc is plain'ol BCP that if the Democrats had followed, they wouldn't have got pwned using widely available script kiddie tools and tactics. It's hardly the kind of stuff that will strike phear into the hacking community, or demonstrate the US's cyber superiority. All it shows is the Democrats hire people who'll happily click on stuff they shouldn't. |
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Obama now needs to turn the screw.
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No, no he didn't.
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The poster didn't mention the word evil which you bizarrely 'lol'ed, that is your aunt sally argument technique. I do not think you are thinking critically either - I think you are thinking emotionally. The US has clearly told porkies on countless occasions. As another poster stated, one should take everything coming out of the CIA and FBI with a pinch of salt as it appears politically motivated - just like Clinton's emails slip-up that was swept under the carpet by the same agencies now accusing Russia with no evidence.
Both Russia and the US are no angels. Obama in particular is acting like a child atm. |
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No, no he didn't.
In other words vote this way or I will eventually impose trade sanctions on you for daring to democratically vote against my wishes. Obama must surely be the most idiotic US president ever. |
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So when he said we would be at the back of the queue, he didn't actually mean it.
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Threatened with being back of the queue for a trade deal.
In other words vote this way or I will eventually impose trade sanctions on you for daring to democratically vote against my wishes. Obama must surely be the most idiotic US president ever. |
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The best thing about the 'report' was the disclaimer. Maybe they will provide proof in the end........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk
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What has he done in the past few years? He's been bombing hospitals with helpless sick babies in them - we know this because the USA told us.