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Trump has been criticised for calling Putin 'smart' for not reacting to Obama's hostile moves. Well, yes, his response is what I'd describe as smart. What's wrong with saying that. Do people want another cold war escalating or something?
Here's the thing, of course Trump disagrees with Obama's policies - their political beliefs are at the opposite ends of the spectrums for almost every single topic (health, education, economy and foreign policy). However, the idea that partisan party politics points scoring should spill out into international affairs is a very dangerous one. There's a reason why they say 'partisan politics should stop at the water's edge'. The rough and tumble of political disagreement is fine for within a nation's own borders - once politicians start scoring points by invoking other countries, it becomes an incredibly dangerous game. Let's not forget, Obama's actions haven't been performed in isolation, nor have they been done without the cooperation of a large number of different security departments and experts. The fact that Trump is trying to curry favour with the leader of a foreign nation publicly is a very big deal. He is totally at liberty to disagree with Obama - but he ought to keep quiet about his non-support for the next 3 weeks. After that, he can devise his own policies and responses to international crises, but he's putting a huge number of other countries in very difficult situations by trying to pit party politics into an international incident. Trump's twitter use used to be almost like a running joke - how crazy could he get at 3am?! Now, I really do believe his stream of consciousness posting is a national security concern. My one hope is that his transfer to the POTUS handle in a few weeks will mean he doesn't have unfettered access to posting whatever the hell he wants - and that he's asked to retire his personal account for the duration of his presidency. Take away his constant access to the one piece of technology he appears comfortable using to score points against his opponents, and I suspect he'll be forced to assess his controversies, if he's obligated to shout into a camera to convey his thoughts! Twitter, for Trump, allows him to operate almost like some anon troll, because he never really has to face the consequences of his typing - it'll be interesting to see what happens after Jan 20th. |
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The world's biggest terrorists (Americans) bullying our close friends the Russians.
Where ever there's conflict in the world you know the Americans are not too far away.
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The fact that Trump is publicly declaring that he is siding with a foreign power, over the actions of a sitting US President, may actually be the kind of thing that escalates a minor diplomatic incident into a major problem.
Here's the thing, of course Trump disagrees with Obama's policies - their political beliefs are at the opposite ends of the spectrums for almost every single topic (health, education, economy and foreign policy). However, the idea that partisan party politics points scoring should spill out into international affairs is a very dangerous one. There's a reason why they say 'partisan politics should stop at the water's edge'. The rough and tumble of political disagreement is fine for within a nation's own borders - once politicians start scoring points by invoking other countries, it becomes an incredibly dangerous game. Let's not forget, Obama's actions haven't been performed in isolation, nor have they been done without the cooperation of a large number of different security departments and experts. The fact that Trump is trying to curry favour with the leader of a foreign nation publicly is a very big deal. He is totally at liberty to disagree with Obama - but he ought to keep quiet about his non-support for the next 3 weeks. After that, he can devise his own policies and responses to international crises, but he's putting a huge number of other countries in very difficult situations by trying to pit party politics into an international incident. Trump's twitter use used to be almost like a running joke - how crazy could he get at 3am?! Now, I really do believe his stream of consciousness posting is a national security concern. My one hope is that his transfer to the POTUS handle in a few weeks will mean he doesn't have unfettered access to posting whatever the hell he wants - and that he's asked to retire his personal account for the duration of his presidency. Take away his constant access to the one piece of technology he appears comfortable using to score points against his opponents, and I suspect he'll be forced to assess his controversies, if he's obligated to shout into a camera to convey his thoughts! Twitter, for Trump, allows him to operate almost like some anon troll, because he never really has to face the consequences of his typing - it'll be interesting to see what happens after Jan 20th. I get the impression he is going to carry on apace on Twitter after he is inaugurated. Anyone who thinks he is going to become all serious and mature and Presidential is fooling themselves. The guy has been famous and in the public eye for decades and is now in his seventies, why would he change now? |
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The whole thing has made it very obvious that trump is Russia's man.
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This part is rather bonkers, cosying up to the likes of Putin and Netanyhu while having a right go at his own administration.
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... why would he change now?
Why should he change now? Some aspects might change, but he was elected for what he is and what he might promise. Which might not be more of the same kind of politics demonstrated in the Podesta leaks, where every utterance is focus grouped and policy managed.
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The current administration isn't the Trump administration, so much will be replaced on inaugaration. Netanyahu's to get the US Jewish lobby to possibly switch support, and improving relations with Russia is surely a good thing for global stability. But Trump also needs to deliver on growing the US economy, especially given many US states are facing bankruptcy, or just severe challenges with funding spending committments, ie pension funding or sorting out cities like Detroit.
Why should he change now? Some aspects might change, but he was elected for what he is and what he might promise. Which might not be more of the same kind of politics demonstrated in the Podesta leaks, where every utterance is focus grouped and policy managed. Well I'd have thought a lying, racist, sexist, xenophobic bigot wouldn't really be ideal as POTUS. I'd have thought that he'd need to demonstrate that in spite of all we know and all we'd seen of this that he was somehow different. I'd have thought he might like to portray himself as a considered, mature, individual and not some immature, petulant manchild who sits furiously tweeting when someone has a pop at him. As you say - why should he change? A lot of fools in the US think he's the bees knees - nought so queer as folk.
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Well I'd have thought a lying, racist, sexist, xenophobic bigot wouldn't really be ideal as POTUS.
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As you say - why should he change? A lot of fools in the US think he's the bees knees - nought so queer as folk. Well, in the US, the 'fools' were in the majority and elected Trump. Thus leaving the Clintons more time to spend on their charitable activities.
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Well, that can also cover Clinton.
Well, in the US, the 'fools' were in the majority and elected Trump. Thus leaving the Clintons more time to spend on their charitable activities. |
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Oh... I was led to understand Clinton got the most votes... or are the fools you refer to the electoral college.. I do wish you;d specify.
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Republican Rick Wilson summed Trump's dedicated supporters for me on this issue. They absolutely believe the "wildest darkest lunatic theories of pizzagate" that Hilary is a "paedophile cannibal" but totally discount the conclusions of the entire intelligence community that Russia could have been involved in trying to influence their election.
That's the world today! No doubt Pepe will be along to poke fun at Wilson. |
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That's the world today! No doubt Pepe will be along to poke fun at Wilson.
(pizzagate is fairly typical 4chan, not Russia.. and 4chan was a US creation) |
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Maybe if the US establishment had acted more honestly over the years, people would be less sceptical.
The US establishment has brought this disaster on itself. |
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