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Not dreaming, the games have only just begun. Even if brexit wins one of these legal challenges wait until the negotiations begin and the British people see what compromises will be expected of them. You will soon see that no countries people will take losing money and privileges like ease of travel through europe for holidays or to settle down lightly.
Brexit is a delusional pipe dream that the Tories are brilliantly dangling in front of brexiters to win elections over Labour and you all keep falling for it lol. Already it will guarantee no brexit leaning person will trust Labour in 2020 or 2025 because they will fear Labour would push us back into the EU or EEA type situation. Tories are loving this foolishness and then in say ten years they can pull the plug and blame some other bogeyman for why it all went wrong. ![]() |
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Most Brits are in favour of showing passports in every country they visit because it makes them feel safer. Ease of travel will not diminish. I will still be able to fly abroad via an aeroplane - I won't have to swim. There are relatively few Brits who would put "ease of travel" at the top of their list of important things. Travel is a choice, a right to have that choice. It is not being taken away from us. We can still travel.
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You wont be guaranteed the right to live in any EU country you want, you would have to apply and hope for the best. That in itself is losing a privilege and i maintain people dont like losing things.
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You wont be guaranteed the right to live in any EU country you want, you would have to apply and hope for the best. That in itself is losing a privilege and i maintain people dont like losing things.
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That doesn't even make sense. How embarrassing for you if that's the best you could come up with.
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And making sure the government acts with in the law is part of the democratic process. if the government is acting with in the law then there is nothing to worry about is there. You cannot have a government any government in the uk deciding we will do it this way if it does not abide by the law. Difficult for parliament to debate things when the government has said we are not going to tell you what our plans are
Judges should have no place in a democratic process unless that very process has been tainted on threatened. Seeing as the EU Referendum was fought under a free, fair and open contest it complete abhorrent that a group of unelected judges get to decide the fate of A50 and how its triggered. Parliament has the power to force changes on the Government and its legislative programme, MPs are elected and have that mandate to do so....the Judiciary don't since like the Lords they gain their position via appointment (for life). |
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You wont be guaranteed the right to live in any EU country you want, you would have to apply and hope for the best. That in itself is losing a privilege and i maintain people dont like losing things.
![]() I would probaly argue a good 80% of this country have no desire to move abroad for work or retirement, most are happy where they are. Its a negligible privilege at that, something people really don't care about, just the aspect of being able to go on holiday. If the EU becomes a dick around visas and short term travel for holidays. then the Tourist Industry in Greece, Portugal and Spain will collapse overnight, there will be other countries like Turkey and Morocco who will happily offer concessions for Brits in order to take their money. |
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The way Leave people complain about the challengers you would think the result was a massive vote in their favour; it was a lot closer than what they would like people to think. Had it gone the other way, by the same difference, I am sure there would be as many people challenging the result as we now see.
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The way Leave people complain about the challengers you would think the result was a massive vote in their favour; it was a lot closer than what they would like people to think. Had it gone the other way, by the same difference, I am sure there would be as many people challenging the result as we now see.
A win for Remain wouldn't have led to legal challenges, as there would be nothing to challenge seeing as the legal relationship in a technical sense with the EU wouldn't have changed. We would have still been full members, paying in £12bn or so a year NET. We would still be accepting uncontrolled immigration from the EU......literally nothing would have changed......save altering some of the rules on welfare. |
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The thing is we voted on whether or not we wanted to leave the EU, not the EEA. There are countries, such as Norway, that are part of the EEA which are not part of the EU. While all EU countries are part of the EEA, not all EEA countries are part of the EU.
Actually getting this legally clear is very important - leaving the EEA requires the triggering of a different article, and it impacts the kind of Brexit we have, not whether or not we leave the EU |
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There wouldn't have been any way to challenge the result as we would have stuck with the status quo had a majority voted to remain. Literally nothing would have changed and we would've plodded on as usual. Cameron and Osbourne would still be in their jobs and they would be still targetting a budget surplus but 20/21.
A win for Remain wouldn't have led to legal challenges, as there would be nothing to challenge seeing as the legal relationship in a technical sense with the EU wouldn't have changed. We would have still been full members, paying in £12bn or so a year NET. We would still be accepting uncontrolled immigration from the EU......literally nothing would have changed......save altering some of the rules on welfare. There is nothing wrong with challenging the process at all. But the mistake remainers made was to try and prevent the process from happening at all. They can sugar coat their purpose as much as they like, they can pretend it's for "democracy" as much they like and they can try and persuade us all that it is for all our benefit as much as they like. But they are blatantly hoping the process of leaving will be thwarted. Will they be bitterly upset that democracy was thwarted if they get their own way? Of course not. |
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The way Leave people complain about the challengers you would think the result was a massive vote in their favour; it was a lot closer than what they would like people to think. Had it gone the other way, by the same difference, I am sure there would be as many people challenging the result as we now see.
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The thing is we voted on whether or not we wanted to leave the EU, not the EEA. There are countries, such as Norway, that are part of the EEA which are not part of the EU. While all EU countries are part of the EEA, not all EEA countries are part of the EU.
Actually getting this legally clear is very important - leaving the EEA requires the triggering of a different article, and it impacts the kind of Brexit we have, not whether or not we leave the EU |
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I can't belive they complain about the challengers at all seeing as they claimed to vote to leave over "sovreigniety" and "getting the country back". Which is exactly what these challenges are about.
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One could argue that we are EEA members because of our EU membership and not aswell as our membership. That means leaving the EU would indeed mean leaving the EEA and we would need to apply for EEA membership once we leave the EU.
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The thing is we voted on whether or not we wanted to leave the EU, not the EEA. There are countries, such as Norway, that are part of the EEA which are not part of the EU. While all EU countries are part of the EEA, not all EEA countries are part of the EU.
Actually getting this legally clear is very important - leaving the EEA requires the triggering of a different article, and it impacts the kind of Brexit we have, not whether or not we leave the EU If I join a gym that gives me reciprocal rights to use another club if I quit the former I lose my eligibility to use the latter. Same situation. When we stop being an EU member our membership of the EEA ceases. if the UK as a newly independent nation decides to join the EEA then we can of course become a new member. |
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Is this the Brazilian hairdresser again (Deir Dos Santos of Notting Hill) leading the action or just Mrs Miller alone this time without her hairdresser?
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The way Leave people complain about the challengers you would think the result was a massive vote in their favour; it was a lot closer than what they would like people to think. Had it gone the other way, by the same difference, I am sure there would be as many people challenging the result as we now see.
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Is this the Brazilian hairdresser again (Deir Dos Santos of Notting Hill) leading the action or just Mrs Miller alone this time without her hairdresser?
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But they're not trying to prevent the UK leaving the EU are they?
No, not at all. They keep saying that is definitely not the case whatsoever by any stretch of the imagination. |
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But they're not trying to prevent the UK leaving the EU are they?
No, not at all. They keep saying that is definitely not the case whatsoever by any stretch of the imagination. |
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And one would be wrong - if we had remained in EFTA in the 70s we would be members of the EEA now
I don't think cases like these should be able to be brought anonymously. |
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FFS this just goes from bad to worse. This is being obstructive completely trying to frustrate the process. I have a feeling this is from the "Centre for British Influence Through Europe".........in other words Peter Mandelson and co. Thoughts? ***1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.*** Any notification of article 50 (triggering of article 50) must be within constitutional law and must be absolutely "watertight" with no likelihood of legal appeals. It's best that any such legal appeals be sorted now before notification, otherwise appeals after notification will hinder the article 50 process. |
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The EEA didn't exist then.
I don't think cases like these should be able to be brought anonymously. So Social Media trolls can make their life hell? |
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1. The majority of cases are crowdfunded and not brought by rich people.
2. Court challenges are part of our democratic system. 3. May can pretend to be a dictator all she wants. There are questions that need to be answered before A 50 can be triggered. She's not willing to find out so the courts are the only option. a. Is parliamentary legislation required to trigger A 50? b. Can the UK government ignore the devolved nations? c. Is A 50 reversible? d. Does triggering of A 50 by default include giving notice on leaving the EEA? These are just the constitutional and technical questions that must be answered before proceeding with A 50. Triggering it against constitutional requirements would render any and all work done void, should a legal challenge succeed further down the line. As a side note - any hardline Brexiter who actually believes it is ok to piss off half of the country by pretending that half the country can be ignored based on an extremely narrow referendum result (a result that likely would be exactly 50/50 or in favour of remain if taken today and that was based on lies in any event) is really deluded. Similar applies to people who think the wishes of Scotland and Northern Ireland can be ignored. Be it at their peril. Any capable PM would have addressed the nation and stated that we will leave the EU but due to the closeness of the result and in particular because of the Scottish and NI results, a compromise solution will be implemented.... but obviously May is far from capable. |
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These are the sort of people who are pro EU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ce-before.html and even after all the scandals Sadiq Khan thinks this is wise. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0acb6e4b899ef But Mandelson's not fussy about who we engage with for some things. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...backed-project Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party elevated Khan to be the official Labour candidate for London Mayor within months Khan was attacking Corbyn and his policies. Nay within hours. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...g-london-mayo/ https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ays-sadiq-khan So when you put all that in context it is really about them it isn't about the country or the people in it. |
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