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Old 30-12-2016, 09:03
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Better to have the legal technicalities clarified now, rather than after A50 is triggered, surely.
And why did the government not sort the process and implications out before the referendum so we all knew exactly what would be involved.
You wouldn't trust politicians to put the rubbish out for you, would you!
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:04
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These are the sort of people who are pro EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ce-before.html

and even after all the scandals Sadiq Khan thinks this is wise

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0acb6e4b899ef

but he's not fussy about who we trade with

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...backed-project

Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party elevated Khan to be the official Labour candidate for London Mayor within months Khan was attacking Corbyn and his policies.
So when you put all that in context he is really about them it isn't about the country or the people in it.
One person, or even 3 people aren't "the sort of people that are pro-EU". If you remember, 48% of the population wanted to Remain.
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:08
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Umm wasn't meant to make sense, how embarrassing for you not to realise that



Again if parlaiment can't debate on because the government isn't allowing them to, then it is for parliament to sort out. There are plentiful select committees that have great influence on government policy to. The Official Opposition can force the appearance of any Secreatary of State through an urgent question, or use their opposition day debates. Again I have no qualms Parliament keeping the Government in check, that is their sworn duty, to uphold the laws of this land and ensure the Government follows and enforces them.

Judges should have no place in a democratic process unless that very process has been tainted on threatened. Seeing as the EU Referendum was fought under a free, fair and open contest it complete abhorrent that a group of unelected judges get to decide the fate of A50 and how its triggered. Parliament has the power to force changes on the Government and its legislative programme, MPs are elected and have that mandate to do so....the Judiciary don't since like the Lords they gain their position via appointment (for life).
Of cause the courts and judges have place have a democratic process, unless you are saying that the public dont have the right to take the government to court. The court system is indendent from the government and from parliament.
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:12
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One person, or even 3 people aren't "the sort of people that are pro-EU". If you remember, 48% of the population wanted to Remain.
Ahhh but these are the people who are the front men.

Just like Johnson, Gove and Farage's personality, politics, personal lives and motives are picked over and trashed then I think the front men for Remain should be scrutinised too.

52% voted Leave which by any calculation is more than 48%.
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:23
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Ahhh but these are the people who are the front men.

Just like Johnson, Gove and Farage's personality, politics, personal lives and motives are picked over and trashed then I think the front men for Remain should be scrutinised too.

52% voted Leave which by any calculation is more than 48%.
Yes but sensible people, like you for example, didn't then tar all leave voters with the same brush as the congenital self publicists you list.
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:30
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Yes but sensible people, like you for example, didn't then tar all leave voters with the same brush as the congenital self publicists you list.
No I didn't but I have seen many who did.
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:37
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No I didn't but I have seen many who did.
So I'm sure you aren't tarring all remain voters as identical either.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:04
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Hardly anyone who voted for the UK to leave the EU did so in the belief they would see masses of immgration officials all over the UK weeding out all EU migrants who have been living and working here in the UK for many years, (and who have every right to do so throughout the many years of UK membership of the EEC then the EU) to be shipped or flown back to the continent.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:11
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So I'm sure you aren't tarring all remain voters as identical either.
I don't know why you think I did.

I am looking at the men fronting the "I don't believe it was a majority, I don't want to Leave the EU, Remaining is the only discourse, we can ignore the electorate" front men.

They are as reliable and trustworthy as the front men for Leave the difference is Leave won.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:12
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The EEA didn't exist then.

I don't think cases like these should be able to be brought anonymously.
And neither did the EU actually exist 43 years ago either.

The EU has actually only been in existence from Major's period as UK Prime Minister onwards.

So it's complete nonsense for people to put 1973, 1975 and the EU all in the same sentence.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:22
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I'm currently in Portugal having spent Christmas and forthcoming new year cruising. I had my passport checked in Southampton and not had to show it again. Locked in cabin safe.

Had to laugh the pensioners cruising all voted Leave. When folks are pointing out to them that come the brave new world that they'll have to have passports checked at every European port they are furious. All the fault of EU of course! They voted for foreigners to be checked into UK not for them to be checked into Europe. The arrogance of the Brits is astounding!!!
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:29
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When the EEA was created the UK became a member through its EU membership - we did not join separately as the UK but collectively as one of the EU member states.

If I join a gym that gives me reciprocal rights to use another club if I quit the former I lose my eligibility to use the latter. Same situation.

When we stop being an EU member our membership of the EEA ceases. if the UK as a newly independent nation decides to join the EEA then we can of course become a new member.
And the EU have never said that the Uk cannot apply to become an EEA member post Brexit.

EEA membership does not mean that the UK would have to suddenly adopt the Euro as its currency. It would still be sterling in such a situation.

Norway's currency is not the Euro and they are only EEA members.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:31
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I'm currently in Portugal having spent Christmas and forthcoming new year cruising. I had my passport checked in Southampton and not had to show it again. Locked in cabin safe.

Had to laugh the pensioners cruising all voted Leave. When folks are pointing out to them that come the brave new world that they'll have to have passports checked at every European port they are furious. All the fault of EU of course! They voted for foreigners to be checked into UK not for them to be checked into Europe. The arrogance of the Brits is astounding!!!
So you are spending your holiday canvassing all old folk to see how they voted in the referendum? And conveniently they are all arrogantly "furious" that they will have to show their passports in the future. I take your story with a pinch of salt.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:44
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FFS this just goes from bad to worse. This is being obstructive completely trying to frustrate the process. I have a feeling this is from the "Centre for British Influence Through Europe".........in other words Peter Mandelson and co.

Thoughts?
Thoughts are, if there were a new in out referendum and it went the way of the remainers, would there be endless challenges to the result? I know it is not a direct comparison but I'm curious.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:45
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So you are spending your holiday canvassing all old folk to see how they voted in the referendum? And conveniently they are all arrogantly "furious" that they will have to show their passports in the future. I take your story with a pinch of salt.
As daft as I think the comment was I find your response incomprehensible.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:51
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Yes, it's absolutely awful that people get to exercise their right to use the legal system to ensure that disastrous decisions are at least made correctly, with full parliamentary oversight (you know, including all those pesky MPs that we voted to represent us there)

You do realise this was purely an advisory referendum, right? It's also a travesty of democracy, but you definitely won't agree with that.

Unlike most of the Brexshitters who will whine about this, I'd feel the same if it had been a remain win. Though the exit crowd probably wouldn't find a case for legal challenge to stop things from staying the same!

Good to see that you want everyone who disagrees with you to butt out of it - including people who are far more qualified to discuss the matter than you or I. That seems to be a typical Brexit attitude.

I'm currently in Portugal having spent Christmas and forthcoming new year cruising. I had my passport checked in Southampton and not had to show it again. Locked in cabin safe.

Had to laugh the pensioners cruising all voted Leave. When folks are pointing out to them that come the brave new world that they'll have to have passports checked at every European port they are furious. All the fault of EU of course! They voted for foreigners to be checked into UK not for them to be checked into Europe. The arrogance of the Brits is astounding!!!
No surprise - British emigrants (sorry, "expats" as they insist on having a special name) in Spain etc aren't exactly renowned for displaying the same qualities that they demand from people who emigrate to the UK.

Can't wait for them to find out that all those pesky EU regulations will basically stay in place. Manufacturers aren't going to build special products and services for the UK.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:03
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Judges should have no place in a democratic process unless that very process has been tainted on threatened. Seeing as the EU Referendum was fought under a free, fair and open contest it complete abhorrent that a group of unelected judges get to decide the fate of A50 and how its triggered. Parliament has the power to force changes on the Government and its legislative programme, MPs are elected and have that mandate to do so....the Judiciary don't since like the Lords they gain their position via appointment (for life).
It is often the people who are unelected and precisely because they are unelected that they up hold freedom and what is right.

Being elected does not make politicians paragons of virtue. More often it provides them a motivation to do that which they believe to be wrong.

The government cannot do what is illegal we will loose freedom if they are allowed to.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:03
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No great surprise though this one appears to be claiming the UK is a member of the EEA in its own right and not as part of the EU. If so upon leaving the EU the UK could not be forced out of the EEA by the EU and the government could not take the UK out of the EEA without a vote in parliament. This view isn't shared by the government or the EU Commission who believe the UK's exit from the EU means it also leaves the EEA.

The legal challenge appears to have been brought by British Influence on behalf of four claimants.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gle-market-eea
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:11
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I'm currently in Portugal having spent Christmas and forthcoming new year cruising. I had my passport checked in Southampton and not had to show it again. Locked in cabin safe.

Had to laugh the pensioners cruising all voted Leave. When folks are pointing out to them that come the brave new world that they'll have to have passports checked at every European port they are furious. All the fault of EU of course! They voted for foreigners to be checked into UK not for them to be checked into Europe. The arrogance of the Brits is astounding!!!
This made me laugh...

Who pointed it out to ALL the pensioners?

Which pensioners said that they don't want to be checked and but want people on entry to the UK to be checked?

Strange holiday with a load of pensioners

So you are spending your holiday canvassing all old folk to see how they voted in the referendum? And conveniently they are all arrogantly "furious" that they will have to show their passports in the future. I take your story with a pinch of salt.
You must have read my mind.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:33
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Who says I want to move to another country to work or live?

I would probaly argue a good 80% of this country have no desire to move abroad for work or retirement, most are happy where they are.
What a strange thing to say.
8 years ago, PricewaterhouseCoopers conducted a study of graduates (and their attitudes).
They found that 84% of UK graduates intend to live and work abroad. 13% are undecided about this. Only 3% said they do not expect to live and work abroad at some point

Are we making plans for the future or the past?
Take a glance at your wall clock and tell me in which direction the hands are travelling......
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:53
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I'm currently in Portugal having spent Christmas and forthcoming new year cruising. I had my passport checked in Southampton and not had to show it again. Locked in cabin safe.

Had to laugh the pensioners cruising all voted Leave. When folks are pointing out to them that come the brave new world that they'll have to have passports checked at every European port they are furious. All the fault of EU of course! They voted for foreigners to be checked into UK not for them to be checked into Europe. The arrogance of the Brits is astounding!!!
What a shame my wife and I (both pensioners) and all our pensioner friends who voted remain weren't there to treat your generalisations with the derision they deserve.
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Old 30-12-2016, 14:30
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When people quote the percentages for remain or leave they often make the mistake of thinking the figures refer to the population, they don't; it; they are of the people who bothered to vote. A lot of the 'remain' camp are having second thoughts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7113336.html
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Old 30-12-2016, 14:37
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When people quote the percentages for remain or leave they often make the mistake of thinking the figures refer to the population, they don't; it; they are of the people who bothered to vote. A lot of the 'remain' camp are having second thoughts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7113336.html
Do you mean to post a link that says to total opposite of the comment you make?
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Old 30-12-2016, 14:38
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A lot of the 'remain' camp are having second thoughts.
Hardly a one-way thing, plenty of people on the leave side who've changed their minds too.
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Old 30-12-2016, 14:46
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Do you mean to post a link that says to total opposite of the comment you make?
I should have not rushed writing and checked my post better; I meant the 'leave' people.

Considering the effect the vote had on the value of the pound, it's not surprising.
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