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Old 31-12-2016, 08:30
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Your criticism of an American Smooth, a Jive, and a Showdance is that there wasn't enough in hold? Seriously?
The rankings were based on the whole series. The AS and Jive were the only two dances that really stood out. Two dances from a series are not enough to push Joanne up the choreography ranks. An American Smooth from an iconic film does not take a great deal of thought.

Katya on the other hand, created some great and memorable choreography for Ed week on week despite Ed's lack of ability, so one would expect her to be higher up the ranks.

If you cannot see the difference between the two, then it does explain your misunderstanding of what most of us were ranking the professionals on.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:50
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Take away the routines she didn't do (charleston, salsa) and the routine where the memorable stuff was moves improvised by Ed because he couldn't remember what Katya told him to do (cha cha), I think in terms of "good choreography" from Katya you're left with pretty much just the quickstep. All of the rest was pretty poor or remembered entirely for the gimmick/make-up job, which is Jason Gilkison and the producers, rather than Katya. If she's got a reputation as a good pro from what she provided for Ed to do on the dancefloor then she's got very lucky indeed IMO.
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Old 31-12-2016, 14:00
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Take away the routines she didn't do (charleston, salsa) and the routine where the memorable stuff was moves improvised by Ed because he couldn't remember what Katya told him to do (cha cha), I think in terms of "good choreography" from Katya you're left with pretty much just the quickstep. All of the rest was pretty poor or remembered entirely for the gimmick/make-up job, which is Jason Gilkison and the producers, rather than Katya. If she's got a reputation as a good pro from what she provided for Ed to do on the dancefloor then she's got very lucky indeed IMO.
Still have to know how to choreograph to suit the gimmicks (Makeup for Samba & Flaming piano for the Jive), or even where dodgy lifts make something memorable such as in their AS.
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Old 31-12-2016, 14:57
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If you cannot see the difference between the two, then it does explain your misunderstanding of what most of us were ranking the professionals on.
If you think you know on what 'most of us' ranked the Cliftons and that it bears any relation to what you think you ranked Joanna on then I would suggest that any misunderstanding is entirely yours.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:02
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Results so Far...

11 = Kevin Clifton = 714pts
12 = Brendan Cole = 675pts
13 = Joanne Clifton = 644pts
14 = Janette Manrara = 598pts
15 = Karen Clifton = 573pts

Remaining Pros

AJ Pritchard
Aljaz Skorjanec
Anton du Beke
Giovanni Pernice
Gorka Marquez
Katya Jones
Natalie Lowe
Oksana Platero
Oti Mabuse
Pasha Kovalev

Next 5 results will be posted tomorrow
If you think you know on what 'most of us' ranked the Cliftons and that it bears any relation to what you think you ranked Joanna on then I would suggest that any misunderstanding is entirely yours.
Yet as already has been posted, none of the Cliftons are in the top ten for best professional of the series. So winning the show does not translate into being the favourite professional for the purposes of DS members.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:18
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If you think you know on what 'most of us' ranked the Cliftons and that it bears any relation to what you think you ranked Joanna on then I would suggest that any misunderstanding is entirely yours.
I mean looking at the voting thread you didn't rank them at all and Monaogg had Joanne at 6th so this all feels unnecessarily rancorous...
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:22
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I mean looking at the voting thread you didn't rank them at all and Monaogg had Joanne at 6th so this all feels unnecessarily rancorous...
Thanks. I actually had high hopes for Joanne partnered with Ore when the series started, unfortunately the judging and some of her choreography felt somewhat weak.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:41
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ugh janette is my fave pro
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:26
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I know the OP is going for the suspense but can't s/he just get in with it and announce the flipping winner.
There's suspense and then there's taking so long it becomes ridiculous.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:34
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I know the OP is going for the suspense but can't s/he just get in with it and announce the flipping winner.
There's suspense and then there's taking so long it becomes ridiculous.
According to their post with the first 5, the next lot should have arrived yesterday. Hope they are okay.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:34
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According to their post with the first 5, the next lot should have arrived yesterday. Hope they are okay.
Oooh me too, I hadn't thought of that.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:36
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Interesting to see Brendan down at 12. I placed him low too, but back in the day I'm sure his following would have raised him near the top of the list - even if he had just had a rather awkward partnership.

This forum really has it in for the Cliftons.

Here's hoping that Natalie, Oti and Katya make it to the top 5.
According to their post with the first 5, the next lot should have arrived yesterday. Hope they are okay.
I should think he's fine. The marathon BB countdown had a few delays but it was all produced immaculately in the end.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:07
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So Jo who is the winning pro this year is third from bottom in this poll?

Does that make sense , she skilfully took somebody with no or little dance experience and made him a winner. I'm not saying she should have won but third from bottom makes little sense.
Don't go asking for any kind of logic or sense where anything concerns the Cliftons on this forum - a lot of posters have an irrational intense dislike for them.

And even that presupposes that everyone votes on the pros' actual level of talent and skill, which is clearly not going to be the case as people have different views on the pros and like them for different reasons - I think Janette is lovely so would rank her quite highly (though I actually can't remember where I put her in my list in the end), but I don't rate her as a choreographer or ballroom dancer at all. It's all a matter of opinion!
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:06
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Yeah sorry have been busy - I'll post the remainder tomorrow as can't do today as busy too
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:29
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Take away the routines she didn't do (charleston, salsa) and the routine where the memorable stuff was moves improvised by Ed because he couldn't remember what Katya told him to do (cha cha), I think in terms of "good choreography" from Katya you're left with pretty much just the quickstep. All of the rest was pretty poor or remembered entirely for the gimmick/make-up job, which is Jason Gilkison and the producers, rather than Katya. If she's got a reputation as a good pro from what she provided for Ed to do on the dancefloor then she's got very lucky indeed IMO.
She had a lot less to 'work with' than Jo did thats for sure. I like Aliona, but she was useless with complete duffers like Ed. Katya's personality came through but never threatened to outshine her partner.
Like her or loathe her kristina rihanoff forecast in week ONE that the three finalists would be the three that actually made it ..including supposed 'novice' Ore.
To get Ed Balls to week ten and be the celeb MOST remembered from the series deserves some credit. To suggest she did a cr*p job is either short sighted or jealousy.
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Old 01-01-2017, 17:15
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Anton got Widdy about as far as Katya got Ed, and she was far worse raw materials to work with. She was almost 15 years older, clearly incredibly physically unfit (Ed's very sporty despite his heft), with terrible posture, and no willingness to do anything beyond the most basic moves. I don't remember any sort of movement at the time to big up what an amazing pro he was for doing so, especially not here.
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Old 01-01-2017, 17:30
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Anton got Widdy about as far as Katya got Ed, and she was far worse raw materials to work with. She was almost 15 years older, clearly incredibly physically unfit (Ed's very sporty despite his heft), with terrible posture, and no willingness to do anything beyond the most basic moves. I don't remember any sort of movement at the time to big up what an amazing pro he was for doing so, especially not here.
I guess it's because Ed did actually dance some and was entertaining through being pro-active i.e. doing something rather than what was done to him i.e be dragged around the floor by the ankle.
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Old 01-01-2017, 18:34
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I guess it's because Ed did actually dance some and was entertaining through being pro-active i.e. doing something rather than what was done to him i.e be dragged around the floor by the ankle.
Nutshell.

Never understood the fascination for that woman and her total distain for Latin dances, more bewildering than the Sergeant support.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:33
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OK so more results will be posted throughout the evening...

In at 10 is...
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:34
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10 = Anton du Beke = 787pts
So breaking into the top 10 and avoiding the bottom 5 is the other longest serving Pro (other than Brendan); Anton! Anton seems to be a bit of a marmite pro... although that can be said about a fair few of them these days... the Latin may not be up to scratch, however this year I thought his partnership with Lesley was fantastic and it was a shame they exited the competition so early. Despite being on the show for 14 series, Anton has only made the final on 1 occasion and finished in 4th place. Although bizarrely finished in 3rd with Lesley Garrett in Series 1 so erm depends how you look at it to see his best year. With news of twins on the way and a judges spot vacant the jury is out as to whether or not Anton will be back next year.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:35
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09 = Giovanni Pernice = 878pts
Next up at Number 9 is Giovanni who debuted on the show in Series 12 managing to get Georgia into the final and finish up as a runner-up. This year however it was a different kettle of fish and it seemed that there was a lot of tabloid interest in the Giovanni/ Laura pairing. However their time in the competition had many ups and downs including an early appearance in the Dance/Off despite high scores and a week off due to injury. Giovanni also came under attack this year from certain quarters about showboating the dances; however I think may have been to accommodate Laura's injury to take the pressure off her a bit. Will be interesting to see what happens next year as I think the slightly shaky year has meant Gio is a lot further down the list than if this was done last year.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:41
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Next up at Number 9 is Giovanni who debuted on the show in Series 12 managing to get Georgia into the final and finish up as a runner-up. This year however it was a different kettle of fish and it seemed that there was a lot of tabloid interest in the Giovanni/ Laura pairing. However their time in the competition had many ups and downs including an early appearance in the Dance/Off despite high scores and a week off due to injury. Giovanni also came under attack this year from certain quarters about showboating the dances; however I think may have been to accommodate Laura's injury to take the pressure off her a bit. Will be interesting to see what happens next year as I think the slightly shaky year has meant Gio is a lot further down the list than if this was done last year.
Yep Giovanni has a lot to prove next year, if he is back.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:53
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09 = Giovanni Pernice = 878pts
Next up at Number 9 is Giovanni who debuted on the show in Series 12 managing to get Georgia into the final and finish up as a runner-up. This year however it was a different kettle of fish and it seemed that there was a lot of tabloid interest in the Giovanni/ Laura pairing. However their time in the competition had many ups and downs including an early appearance in the Dance/Off despite high scores and a week off due to injury. Giovanni also came under attack this year from certain quarters about showboating the dances; however I think may have been to accommodate Laura's injury to take the pressure off her a bit. Will be interesting to see what happens next year as I think the slightly shaky year has meant Gio is a lot further down the list than if this was done last year.
Thank you for all your work with this poll - especially at such a busy time. I enjoy reading your summaries and thought that your write-up of Giovanni's year was very balanced. I am in the camp that thinks that Gio's choreography was working around Laura's injury, but a little bit more subtlety next year wouldn't go amiss.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:08
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09 = Giovanni Pernice = 878pts
Next up at Number 9 is Giovanni who debuted on the show in Series 12 managing to get Georgia into the final and finish up as a runner-up. This year however it was a different kettle of fish and it seemed that there was a lot of tabloid interest in the Giovanni/ Laura pairing. However their time in the competition had many ups and downs including an early appearance in the Dance/Off despite high scores and a week off due to injury. Giovanni also came under attack this year from certain quarters about showboating the dances; however I think may have been to accommodate Laura's injury to take the pressure off her a bit. Will be interesting to see what happens next year as I think the slightly shaky year has meant Gio is a lot further down the list than if this was done last year.
There are many reasons why Giovanni has ended up as low as 9. It is very complicated. I believe before he even set foot on the Strictly dance floor this year it was going to be an uphill struggle for him in the popularity stakes. It will be interesting to see what happens next year. The last two years and in particular this year has been a huge learning curve for him. It will be interesting to see where he goes from here.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:45
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08 = AJ Pritchard = 889pts
Next up at the halfway mark is newcomer AJ who I think considering the flack he seemed to be getting at the beginning of the series has done well to rank so highly. He joined Strictly this year and partnered Claudia to 4th place in the competition. There was talk at the start that he'd he another Jared Murillo; however I think his choreography was great considering some of the music choices and also have to accommodate Claudia's height too. He also had an enthusiasm that he was loving being on the show which was great too and seemed to embrace everything the show had to offer. There are still naysayers saying he is too young, or oddly showboated over Claudia... personally I thought (as with all the new pros this year) that he was a great addition and I hope he returns next year too.
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