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Israel/Palestinie, Who's Side You On And Why?


View Poll Results: Who's Side You On, Israel or Palestine, or Both/Neither?
Israel 47 26.86%
Palestine 46 26.29%
Both 16 9.14%
Neither 66 37.71%
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:43
rathcoole_kai
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Israel.
How many Countries have Israel attacked first.
None.
They defend themselves from Countries surrounding them that want to wipe them out.
They have offered the Arabs a two Country solution.
The Arabs refuse this because the Arabs only want one state in the region.
Theres.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:52
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I am on Palestines side. Correct me if I am wrong, but this land was stolen from them because Europe felt guilty about the holocaust.
You need corrected.
The Jewish people were in what is called Palestine before the Islamists
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:12
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You need corrected.
The Jewish people were in what is called Palestine before the Islamists
Who did they kick off the land after wandering round the desert for years after escaping from the Egyptians?
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:16
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I think most people would benefit from just reading the wikipedia article about Israel. It might give them a basic understanding of some of the things they're talking about.

It seems to me that a lot of people have this idea that the Allies transported a load of Jewish people into a random Arab country and annexed it to make up for the holocaust. Not quite.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:17
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Palestine.
Removing people from the country they've lived in for hundreds of years because another bunch of people say it's theirs in some old scrolls seems daft.

It's our fault in Europe, trying to atone for the atrocities of the 2nd World War.
'Setting up' a country in such a contrived way was never going to end well.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:21
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Who did they kick off the land after wandering round the desert for years after escaping from the Egyptians?
Not the Islamists I guess that want to destroy them.
If the Arabs lay down their weapons there will be peace.
If the Jews do the same they will be destroyed.
If you support the Palestinians this is what you are supporting
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:21
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You are wrong





When and where was this country called Palestine? The West Bank was part of Jordan

Well I do for starters
Yeah well you are probably some kind of zionist, based on your biblical beliefs?
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:23
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It's our fault in Europe, trying to atone for the atrocities of the 2nd World War.
'Setting up' a country in such a contrived way was never going to end well.
Setting up a country?
The Jewish people have been there for thousands of years.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:25
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Yeah well you are probably some kind of zionist, based on your biblical beliefs?
So you are one who likes these ist allagainstions.
Next. Fascist?
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:28
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Setting up a country?
The Jewish people have been there for thousands of years.
Yes dear. Israel was set up in the 1940s.
So you are one who likes these ist allagainstions.
Next. Fascist?
What is an allagainstion?
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:49
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Cynical? That's rich considering all of israel and its supporters uber double standards with their false claims of anti semtism to try and shut down criticism.scare critics off!
False? Are you having a laugh?

I suppose you don't find any of the following, revealed by a simple Google search, anti Semitic

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pa...w=1024&bih=649

It's endemic, sickening and you should cease and desist from seeking to deny it, or expect to be tarred with the same brush.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:01
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Yes dear. Israel was set up in the 1940s.


What is an allagainstion?
Not realy sure. Need to ask spell check.
Yes the State of Israel was formed in the 1940's.
Even i know that.
The Jewish people were there thousands of years before that.
Yes there was always problems between the Arabs and the Jews.
The difference in these modern days is that the Jews do not want to wipe the Arabs of the face of the Earth.
Where as.......

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Old 31-12-2016, 00:09
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Neither, either they work something out or they wipe each other out. I really couldn't careless either way.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:32
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Two groups of people with two different gods, what could possibly go wrong.

My dicks bigger than your dick.

Leave them to destroy themselves.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:50
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Millions were forced off their land and homes in 1948 with thousands of villages burnt down by zionists! Watch the documentary Al Naqba (The catostrophe) which is on youtube, it will tell you loads.
I was referring to the West Bank

Yeah well you are probably some kind of zionist, based on your biblical beliefs?
Not even Jewish. Just someone who defends the right of Israel to exist.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:53
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Not realy sure. Need to ask spell check.
Yes the State of Israel was formed in the 1940's.
Even i know that.
The Jewish people were there thousands of years before that.
Yes there was always problems between the Arabs and the Jews.
The difference in these modern days is that the Jews do not want to wipe the Arabs of the face of the Earth.
Where as.......
Well I guess if a group of people turned up in a place where my people had lived for hundreds if not thousands of years, forcibly turned me out of my farmstead, I'd be pretty pissed off with them tbh.

Applying Biblical claims to land in the twentieth century seemed tenuous

There is also the whole Zionism issue, fervently pursued by many jews, whereby they will not cease until they have rebuilt the temple.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:57
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I was referring to the West Bank



Not even Jewish. Just someone who defends the right of Israel to exist.
Fair enough. It's there now so it's too late now, but it shouldn't have been set up in the first place. The idea of setting up a country then calling a diaspora of people from all over the world to come and settle there, displacing to a degree a (long established) existing population seems a totally daft thing to do, in modern times.

** Oh and one doesn't need to be Jewish to be a zionist. Many Christians (of the loopier variety) in the USA for example, believe in the Rapture. For the Rapture to happen, the temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:10
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Israel.
How many Countries have Israel attacked first.
None.
They defend themselves from Countries surrounding them that want to wipe them out.
They have offered the Arabs a two Country solution.
The Arabs refuse this because the Arabs only want one state in the region.
Theres.
Israel attacked Egypt first in 1956 on behalf of France and the U.K.

Israel also started the 1967 war with an attack on their neighbours. they then justified it by claiming it was a 'pre-emptive' attack.
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Old 31-12-2016, 07:16
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Israel isn't going to allow an independent Palestine to be created whilst there are armed groups determined to attack them
well if you are sitting on stolen land obviously somebody is gona attack you,

or are you saying that zionists are lacking common sense ?

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Old 31-12-2016, 07:31
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Israel attacked Egypt first in 1956 on behalf of France and the U.K.

Israel also started the 1967 war with an attack on their neighbours. they then justified it by claiming it was a 'pre-emptive' attack.
"Gideon Rafael, the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, received a message from the Israeli foreign office: "inform immediately the President of the Sec. Co. that Israel is now engaged in repelling Egyptian land and air forces."

At 3:10 am, Rafael woke ambassador Hans Tabor, the Danish President of the Security Council for June, with the news that Egyptian forces had "moved against Israel" .and that Israel was responding to a "cowardly and treacherous" attack from Egypt.

After the USSR and United States (via satellite and intelligence) confirmed that Zionist Israel started the war, Israeli quickly came up with a new narrative in wich they admitted to striking first.

lol.
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Old 31-12-2016, 07:48
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If Israelis truly wish to live in peace they must stop building on disputed territories and giving special treatment to the ultra-religious.

If Palestinians truly wish to live in peace they should be using funds received from outside sources on housing and educating their people instead of weaponry and support of extremists.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:26
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You need corrected.
The Jewish people were in what is called Palestine before the Islamists
Going by your username (a notorious loyalist gang who used to torch catholic homes) I take it you are from Northern Ireland or have loyalist sympathies.

And to borrow your logic the Irish people were in Ireland before the British, therefore mindful of consistency and not wanting to appear hypocritical, I take it you argue that Northern Ireland belongs to the Irish and not the planters who came later?
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Old 31-12-2016, 11:47
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I support Israel all the way. It is the most free, democratic and (gasp) liberal country in the Middle-East. The bigger Israel gets, the more free, democratic and liberal the Middle-East becomes. So why people that consider themselves liberals hate Israel and love Palestine - a country that throws gay people from buildings and does not tolerate any dissent whatsover - is absolutely incomprehensible to me.
I have to agree with this . Its shocking that the left in the west hate the only real democracy in the middle east . It seems when it comes to human rights i.e of gays women etc the left are happy to support the oppressors purely on the basis of their dogged ideological hatred of any country that is pro the US . Having said that the Israelis do themselves no favours by the illegal stealing of land to build settlements . I fear Israels secular society is slowing becoming a more hardline religious one . If they carry on with this creeping religiosity then they will end up no better than the rest of the middle east .
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:23
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I have to agree with this . Its shocking that the left in the west hate the only real democracy in the middle east . It seems when it comes to human rights i.e of gays women etc the left are happy to support the oppressors purely on the basis of their dogged ideological hatred of any country that is pro the US . Having said that the Israelis do themselves no favours by the illegal stealing of land to build settlements . I fear Israels secular society is slowing becoming a more hardline religious one . If they carry on with this creeping religiosity then they will end up no better than the rest of the middle east .
A democracy doesn't give the right to land grab and occupy land that definetely was not given to them in a abuse of power way too by the UN! A democracy doesn't make it right to keep Palestinians locked down in Gaza either or the appalling ways they treat them in general!
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:40
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I have to agree with this . Its shocking that the left in the west hate the only real democracy in the middle east . It seems when it comes to human rights i.e of gays women etc the left are happy to support the oppressors purely on the basis of their dogged ideological hatred of any country that is pro the US . Having said that the Israelis do themselves no favours by the illegal stealing of land to build settlements . I fear Israels secular society is slowing becoming a more hardline religious one . If they carry on with this creeping religiosity then they will end up no better than the rest of the middle east .
i agree with all of this.

That said, the unfortunate right wing bias and to some extent religious influence in the current government is, as I've indicated repeatedly elsewhere, entirely the fault of those who attack Israel and fruitlessly fantasise over its destruction. Truth is they have become the authors of their own destruction, metaphorically and sometimes literally.

Of course there will be those who try and pick holes in Israels free, democratic and liberal society amongst the sea of almost unremitting despotic sewage that surrounds it; those who and as you accurately point out value ideology over their humanity. As if our society (or any society) were note perfect.

Somehow, with Israel, perceived failings or prejudices become fatal flaws, such that the host must be destroyed, expunged. It's all the west fault (of course!!! )

Never mind the tens of thousands, nay hundreds of thousands of self murdering sectists whose bodies litter the Middle East; it's the Jews we have to worry about. That'll be the same Jews who warned of imminent terror attacks in India, only today.

Doesn't play well with the public at large? Let's call them Zionists (no one will notice the description has been more or less meaningless in the wider world since the founding of the JEWISH state, almost 70 years ago).

Anyway, I can't really say it better that the linked article, so I won't try. Note in particular the number of times the UN has condemned Iarael compared to all other member states, put together...unbelievable.

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file...obal-god-state
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