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Israel/Palestinie, Who's Side You On And Why? |
| View Poll Results: Who's Side You On, Israel or Palestine, or Both/Neither? | |||
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50 | 27.78% |
| Palestine |
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47 | 26.11% |
| Both |
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16 | 8.89% |
| Neither |
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67 | 37.22% |
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#126 |
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Indeed; that work in local "councils", the election to which involves much politicking and places undue power in the hands of weirdly despotic regimes.
I really have to go now but in answer to smudge, I've plainly and repeatedly indicated my opposition to the current Israeli reignite, even in this thread. Maybe we all wear some blinkers, imposed by our own background. I simply get depressed by the complete failure to even contemplate Israels right to exist and the obvious merit in many points made In It's favour. Interesting that the vote here is so close, given the tiny number of uk jrews, proptionately speaking. Maybe we're all Zionist imperialists eh? But as I say, happy new year. As for your "weirdly despotic regimes" are you saying the majority of the member states of the UN are plotting the downfall of Israel as a state? As I said, there are around 200 of them. Souds like paranoia to me. Maybe New Zealand is planning to invade after all. I mean, the increasingly hysterical right wing Israeli regime took their vote against the illegal settlements as an act of war..... |
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Israel protects the rights of Christians, Muslims whether they are or Arab or not. It is only country in the Middle East which allows Muslims freedom to vote and freedom of religion, in fact it's only safe place to an ex-Muslim and atheist in Middle East.
Saudi Arabia still has the death penalty for apostasy and years exucuted 19 year old man for taking part in Arab Spring protest. Iran executed an entire village for alleged drug smuggling and hangs teenage girls for being raped. This while Saudi Arabia sits on Human Rights Council while violating the UN declaration of Human Rights on freedom of religion. Saudi is the state set-up to protect Islam. What you see in this thread is an alliance between Leftists and Islamists for the same demonising Israel under guise of Anti-Zionism. The Leftists sympathise with Islamist cause because of the peecieved suffering of the Palestinians. They completely disregard what Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey are doing as it doesn't suit their agenda. This is why Trump won in America and why Le Pen could win in France as voters are tired failure of Leftists do anything productive and it will serve them right. The political left has touch with reality. |
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Israel protects the rights of Christians, Muslims whether they are or Arab or not. It is only country in the Middle East which allows Muslims freedom to vote and freedom of religion, in fact it's only safe place to an ex-Muslim and atheist in Middle East.
Saudi Arabia still has the death penalty for apostasy and years exucuted 19 year old man for taking part in Arab Spring protest. Iran executed an entire village for alleged drug smuggling and hangs teenage girls for being raped. This while Saudi Arabia sits on Human Rights Council while violating the UN declaration of Human Rights on freedom of religion. Saudi is the state set-up to protect Islam. What you see in this thread is an alliance between Leftists and Islamists for the same demonising Israel under guise of Anti-Zionism. The Leftists sympathise with Islamist cause because of the peecieved suffering of the Palestinians. They completely disregard what Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey are doing as it doesn't suit their agenda. This is why Trump won in America and why Le Pen could win in France as voters are tired failure of Leftists do anything productive and it will serve them right. The political left has touch with reality.
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But not a single UN condemnation.
It's the biased, despotic oriantated UN you're using as a crutch, not the nebulous "international community". Don't you find this even slightly odd... ???Anyway, I'm off for some New Year ![]() ![]() ![]() All I can say is, however much the odds may be stacked against it thanks to Trump (I take only ironic succour from his support of Israel) we can but wish for a happy and peaceful New Year. Here's to the of world peach, eh? |
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Not the Islamists I guess that want to destroy them.
If the Arabs lay down their weapons there will be peace. If the Jews do the same they will be destroyed. If you support the Palestinians this is what you are supporting Quote:
Fair enough. It's there now so it's too late now, but it shouldn't have been set up in the first place. The idea of setting up a country then calling a diaspora of people from all over the world to come and settle there, displacing to a degree a (long established) existing population seems a totally daft thing to do, in modern times.
** Oh and one doesn't need to be Jewish to be a zionist. Many Christians (of the loopier variety) in the USA for example, believe in the Rapture. For the Rapture to happen, the temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem. Isreael have the West Bank because Jordan abandoned it. There is no reason why Arabs and Jews couldn't live there in peace. |
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I'm sure Sudan has been sanctioned, if they haven't had condemnation take it up with Governments as its not posters who do UN Condemnations! Sudan has not been land grabbing either unlike Israel who are still doing it in 2016 and Sudan agreed to split their country too!
The mass rape of 200 women and girls, sexual violence increasing by the year. Around 2.4m diplaced people from Darfur and the Janjsweed, another Islamic group continue to attack villages and take women as sex slaves. However, to you building a house in the wrong place is worse. This is why Leftists have lost touch with reality. Israel could deal with terrorists like China by executing them by firing squad, or they could take the Saudi approach and publicly behead them. Which do would prefer? |
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http://https://www.amnesty.org/en/co.../report-sudan/
The mass rape of 200 women and girls, sexual violence increasing by the year. Around 2.4m diplaced people from Darfur and the Janjsweed, another Islamic group continue to attack villages and take women as sex slaves. However, to you building a house in the wrong place is worse. This is why Leftistd have lost touch with reality. Israel could deal with terrorists like Chine by executing them by firing squad, or it they could take the Saudi approach and publicly behead them. Which do you think is preferable? |
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If the Israelis really wanted conflict, .
how many more people does zionist israel need to murder ? |
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This thread is about Israel/Palestine. Along with the false cries of anti semtism, one thing I have always noticed by supporters of land grabbing Israel is how they try and divert things onto other issues, and as good as say unless you moan about every other country doing wrong out there you're being anti semtic. Theresa May's definition of anti semitism also seems to be saying that and I look forward to that being challenged and if not told that it doesn't hold up in law, mainly because she hasn't passed it in law yet. The bottom line is we discuss one issue at a time, on one thread at a time, not anything and everything to try and divert from the issue the thread is about!
Any Jewish settlers who remain in Palestine after a peace deal is struck should be expected to adopt Palestinian citizenship and become Jewish-Palestinians, like the many Christian and Muslim Palestinians. If this prospect is too much for them to accept, they will always have the option of aliyah, to voluntarily repatriate back to Israel. Add land swaps to the mix, and the two-state solution is not dead. It remains very much possible, except in minds that are clouded by the UN’s obsession with condemning Israel and that harbor the bigotry of low expectations towards Palestinians." - Maajid Newaz in his latest article. Jew should not live the States of Palestine, an opinion supported by the Lefists. This is the usual racism from the Left who think a Palestinian state should only be for Arabs, no Jews allowed. Meanwhile Israel continues to be a multiethnic and multi religious state. Is it to much for Palestinians to think about that Jews might have to live in the state. Are the Palestinians so racist and antisemitic they can't live in the same state as Jews? |
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"Settlements are illegal. But why is it that Israel is expected to integrate—and does a reasonable job of including—the 20 percent of its population that is Arab, yet a Jewish presence of 500,000 settlers in any future Palestinian state is deemed “an obstacle" to the two state solution? Are Palestinians assumed to be ethno-fascists? Are they not capable of building a multiethnic state just like Israelis? Is this how low the standard is to which Western leftists hold Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims?
Any Jewish settlers who remain in Palestine after a peace deal is struck should be expected to adopt Palestinian citizenship and become Jewish-Palestinians, like the many Christian and Muslim Palestinians. If this prospect is too much for them to accept, they will always have the option of aliyah, to voluntarily repatriate back to Israel. Add land swaps to the mix, and the two-state solution is not dead. It remains very much possible, except in minds that are clouded by the UN’s obsession with condemning Israel and that harbor the bigotry of low expectations towards Palestinians." - Maajid Newaz in his latest article. Jew should not live the States of Palestine, an opinion supported by the Lefists. This is the usual racism from the Left who think a Palestinian state should only be for Arabs, no Jews allowed. Meanwhile Israel continues to be a multiethnic and multi religious state. Is it to much for Palestinians to think about that Jews might have to live in the state. Are the Palestinians so racist and antisemitic they can't live in the same state as Jews? Presumably by the BIB you would not be opposed to 500,000 extra Palestinians taking a piece of Israel - illegally of course - and then you would have to accuse the Israeli state of being racist and ethno-fascist if they tried to eject them? |
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are you joking ?
T how many more people does zionist israel need to murder ? Are you joking? Palestinians caused two civil wars, massacred Lebanes Christians but 'Zionists' are your concern. How many more people do they have to kill? |
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http://https://www.amnesty.org/en/co.../report-sudan/
The mass rape of 200 women and girls, sexual violence increasing by the year. Around 2.4m diplaced people from Darfur and the Janjsweed, another Islamic group continue to attack villages and take women as sex slaves. However, to you building a house in the wrong place is worse. This is why Leftists have lost touch with reality. Israel could deal with terrorists like China by executing them by firing squad, or they could take the Saudi approach and publicly behead them. Which do would prefer? What has happened to the Palestinians since the 1940s is disgusting in my view, and I would say the same about any similar injustice in any country. This thread happens to be about Israel/Palestine so the comments of the respondents are obviously going to be about that issue. Quit your whataboutery. |
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Blaming imaginary "leftists" for everything seems to be the far rights boggyman of the day.
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Blaming imaginary "leftists" for everything seems to be the far rights boggyman of the day.
A risible defence. |
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Israel protects the rights of Christians, Muslims whether they are or Arab or not. It is only country in the Middle East which allows Muslims freedom to vote and freedom of religion, in fact it's only safe place to an ex-Muslim and atheist in Middle East.
Saudi Arabia still has the death penalty for apostasy and years exucuted 19 year old man for taking part in Arab Spring protest. Iran executed an entire village for alleged drug smuggling and hangs teenage girls for being raped. This while Saudi Arabia sits on Human Rights Council while violating the UN declaration of Human Rights on freedom of religion. Saudi is the state set-up to protect Islam. What you see in this thread is an alliance between Leftists and Islamists for the same demonising Israel under guise of Anti-Zionism. The Leftists sympathise with Islamist cause because of the peecieved suffering of the Palestinians. They completely disregard what Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey are doing as it doesn't suit their agenda. This is why Trump won in America and why Le Pen could win in France as voters are tired failure of Leftists do anything productive and it will serve them right. The political left has touch with reality.
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Overall, I take the view that most of what Israel has done and continues to do is understandable given the circumstances and that any other young democracy facing the challenges it does would behave in a similar way. Nevertheless the Palestinian people are suffering and as the main power in the area it has a moral obligation to find a solution, even if it isn't necessarily responsible for that suffering. So I support us treating Israel as an ally but not shielding them from criticism or fully normalising relations until they take actions to end the conflict.
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Absurd. Socialists are opposed to Islamism - or any political movement that hijacks a religion to base its beliefs on. Zionism is another example of this - an ultra-right wing nationalistic movement.
Comes natural to them. |
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What has this bizarre 'leftist' claim and other feeble deflections got to do with it?
What has happened to the Palestinians since the 1940s is disgusting in my view, and I would say the same about any similar injustice in any country. This thread happens to be about Israel/Palestine so the comments of the respondents are obviously going to be about that issue. Quit your whataboutery. Though their own making. Israel has offered them a two States solution. Along with the UN. Each time they have turned it down. Why? They want Israel whipped of the face of the map. |
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are you joking ?
how many more people does zionist israel need to murder ? Quote:
Overall, I take the view that most of what Israel has done and continues to do is understandable given the circumstances and that any other young democracy facing the challenges it does would behave in a similar way. Nevertheless the Palestinian people are suffering and as the main power in the area it has a moral obligation to find a solution, even if it isn't necessarily responsible for that suffering. So I support us treating Israel as an ally but not shielding them from criticism or fully normalising relations until they take actions to end the conflict.
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How many have you got so far ?
( but how many dead bodies do you need to see before you condemn zionism ? |
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Socialists / communist tend to side with terrorism.
Comes natural to them. |
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Oh. Does that include the state terrorism as practised frequently by countries like Israel then?
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Is there anyone on here doing that then?
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No option for "a plague on both their houses"?
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Of course not. It's just the usual tactic at trying to shut down debate.
There are many others who are only prepared for Israel to exist on their own terms terms. In fact, these threads tend to be dominated by a small number leftist political malcontents who want to hijack the debate. It's interesting to note that the pro Israel faction are actually "winning" this poll, for what it's worth. That at least suggests that the silent majority agree with me, no matter how much they try to shout us down. |
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