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Learner Drivers on Motorways
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SaddlerSteve
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“I always try to move out if I can but it's not always possible but I know a few nervous motorway drivers who stick to that one lane, gripping the steering wheel with white knuckles 'I'm here, I'm ok here so I'm staying here' and refuse to move to let those joining get in.”

Should also be remembered that it's not compulsory for people to move over. I generally do if possible or try to leave a gap ahead if I can't move over so it allows traffic in.
However it's up to the car on the slip road to adjust their speed to join traffic. That's why the slip road is there. To give them chance to look across at the traffic already on the motorway and decide their speed and how they're going to merge.
soap-lea
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“I'm feeling tense just reading that. Sounds awful. I hate being stuck in slow moving traffic - I'd sooner take a longer route as long as I can keep moving. I'm a bit in awe of anyone who sits in heavy traffic during their regular commute, I couldn't do it.



Reading that I'm amazed too. ”

It was a freak day, there had been an accident on the m1 and it had to be closed for emergency repairs its not normally that bad, I understand from the news that there had been an accident on a nearby junction on the m62 too and so that had also had an impact! Normally the traffic does keep moving around the 30-40mph mark, if as I said earlier folk learnt to merge at speed then it would be quicker

Re the Lorry he literally stopped inches from the back of the car, I was in the next lane and looking at him coming thinking shit, no idea how the drivers in his lane felt!
Wee Tinkers
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by SaddlerSteve:
“Should also be remembered that it's not compulsory for people to move over. I generally do if possible or try to leave a gap ahead if I can't move over so it allows traffic in.
However it's up to the car on the slip road to adjust their speed to join traffic. That's why the slip road is there. To give them chance to look across at the traffic already on the motorway and decide their speed and how they're going to merge.”

That's so true but here - not sure how it is elsewhere - it's so commonplace for people to slow right down on the slip road it's almost become an obligation for those on the motorway to move out to let them in but you are absolutely right.

I hate getting stuck behind someone on the slip road because I lose speed and opportunities to get in. I try to keep as big of a gap between me and the person in front so I have a bit of leeway to get to a suitable speed to get in a gap while I've some slip road left.
LostFool
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“I fail to see how 50-55 mph in the inside lane would cause chaos”

It causes problems when you have HGVs behind you which are speed limited to 56mph.
gomezz
31-12-2016
56mph is the maximum speed they are limited to, not the minimum.
SULLA
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“On a moving motorway I always come over to the next lane to allow joiners to join. It irks me that others dont have that consideration at all.”

I do so if it isn't a problem but I always leave a big gap in front anyway
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“Really? I have never had to slow down like that.”

Do you always travel in the middle of the night ?
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“It causes problems when you have HGVs behind you which are speed limited to 56mph.”

See below
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“56mph is the maximum speed they are limited to, not the minimum.”

SaddlerSteve
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“That's so true but here - not sure how it is elsewhere - it's so commonplace for people to slow right down on the slip road it's almost become an obligation for those on the motorway to move out to let them in but you are absolutely right.

I hate getting stuck behind someone on the slip road because I lose speed and opportunities to get in. I try to keep as big of a gap between me and the person in front so I have a bit of leeway to get to a suitable speed to get in a gap while I've some slip road left.”

Like I said, I move over where I can but it's so commonplace that you now get people who refuse to believe it's the car on the slips responsibility. They're so used to people moving over that they assume wrongly that it's something the cars on the carriageway have to do when they actually don't.
SaddlerSteve
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“56mph is the maximum speed they are limited to, not the minimum.”

Yes, it's the maximum speed but most lorries are going to be bear their maximum speed on motorway journeys because they're driving over a long distance and to a delivery schedule.

Anyone who's driven Ina motorway will have experienced the numerous times you get lorries overtaking each other and taking several miles and minutes to do so. The reason they're so slow overtaking is because the lorry has reached its limiter and is only going slightly faster than the lorry being overtaken. It's annoying to car users but it makes a difference to lorries over a long journey.

It's bad enough this happening anyway but when it's because a car is going so slow that a lorry feels the need to overtake because it's catching it up then it becomes doubly annoying because the car can avoid this by at least attempting to make 60mph.

As soon as a lorry moves into the middle lane all traffic behind starts funnelling into the 3rd lane to get past creating bunching and turning 3 lanes into 1.

It may not be chaos but it's bloody annoying and even more annoying when it's caused by a driver dawdling when they can easily go a little faster where a lorry can't.
Trulytrue
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“56mph is the maximum speed they are limited to, not the minimum.”

It takes a HGV a time to get up to speed and someone toodling along will keep causing them to brake and that then has a knock on affect with other HGV behind them. Its a absolute pain when you are behind a car crawling along because they will not adjust their speed enough for you to either pass or drive comfortable behind them


If you are not comfortable driving at speed then don't get onto the motorway its not compulsory
Trulytrue
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by SaddlerSteve:
“Like I said, I move over where I can but it's so commonplace that you now get people who refuse to believe it's the car on the slips responsibility. They're so used to people moving over that they assume wrongly that it's something the cars on the carriageway have to do when they actually don't.”

Its a courtesy that many older drivers do . if you have room to move over then move. I was taught that its the right thing to do if you can.

Most things I was taught seem to have become obsolete. Indicating, lane discipline, not parking where you will block other driver's vision. Seems the harder the test gets the worse drivers we get. Im not really sure why that is.
Ovalteenie
01-01-2017
Just drove back down from Glasgow to Nottinghamshire -M74-M6-A66-A1(M).

Set off at 8.30. Fairly quiet to begin with then motorways were surprisingly busy in the late morning!
Earl - E - Bird
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by SaddlerSteve:
“It may not be chaos but it's bloody annoying and even more annoying when it's caused by a driver dawdling.”

Dawdling is one thing, dawdling in the middle lane is **** taking
soap-lea
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“Just drove back down from Glasgow to Nottinghamshire -M74-M6-A66-A1(M).

Set off at 8.30. Fairly quiet to begin with then motorways were surprisingly busy in the late morning! ”

Thats not bad going though!
Ovalteenie
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“Thats not bad going though!”

Thank you About 5.5 hours including a break for filling up + Costa Coffee @ Scotch Corner
frisbie
01-01-2017
Much safer than old fogies like me who drift off to sleep and travel the wrong way.
I would never travel on a motorway with many of my friends. (I handed in my licence at 75, which should be the driving age limit.)
bluesmurf
01-01-2017
Motorways are some of the easier roads to drive on, especially compared to things such as turning right onto a fairly busy national speed limit road.

It would be nice if more drivers indicated when changing lanes and understood the need to use the slip road to get up to speed. I will never forget that idiot who I moved into the second lane for so they could easily merge. They couldn't of been doing more than 30mph when they joined and moved straight across to the second lane without indicating (this was a dual carriage way). I had to slam on the brakes and must of missed rear ending them by a couple of inches, if the road was wet I would of slammed into the back of them. Less than 40mph they were doing!
Trulytrue
01-01-2017
Originally Posted by frisbie:
“Much safer than old fogies like me who drift off to sleep and travel the wrong way.
I would never travel on a motorway with many of my friends. (I handed in my licence at 75, which should be the driving age limit.)”

Plenty of people are good drivers even when over 75. It should depend on the person not the age.
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