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Old 30-12-2016, 18:39
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The Tosh/Tina abuse storyline failed for me because it seemed to go from 0 to 100 in no time at all. Tosh started off as a bit of a bitch then, all of a sudden, battered Tina.... and then she just vanished. A very poorly constructed storyline with, frankly, unimpressive characters.

Will and Robbie, on the other hand, was built up over time which gave you the opportunity to 'get to know' that characters and so the plot was so much more believable.
Yes exactly, that's why the plot failed so much was because Tina got slapped once, then a few weeks later she was attacked and Tosh left the next episode. So much potential as well but it failed and was rushed with no point in investing in the story at all.

The River City storyline did build up over a longer period and it came about from Will's anger issues didn't it? (I didn't watch then but have seen it on YT) Which made it much more in depth and you were able to see why Will was doing it, there was none of that in the EE storyline. Considering they have handled domestic abuse very well in the past (Little Mo and Trevor) that one failed so much.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:46
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Always think this is worth discussing

Wrote this a couple of weeks ago when Paddy was getting slapped and punched all over the place for the lolz.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/17/can-we...soaps-6329694/
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:14
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The problem is that the self-censorship we practice these days in the ernest desire to not offend anybody is slowly taking away our ability to describe anybody in an easily identifiable manner at all. What would you have us call the working class, "C2DEs"? Most people wouldn't have a clue what you meant. And if we shouldn't say "working class", presumably we also shouldn't refer to middle class either and on and on it goes.
My ideas are to raise ourselves up, the word class is negative and shouldn't be used to define you. Lower,middle, working, upper, top, are unnecessary barriers. I thank all for giving me a fair hearing and polite responses, and I will end the subject now.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:30
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I was just wondering what the price of a pint is. Will there ever come a time when a pint is so expensive the pouring of them over each other will stop on financial grounds.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:38
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That said, my hand often itches to slap soap characters, male or female, so some of the time I' m rooting for the, ahem, slapper I don't mind it in highly volatile situations, but I hate it being treated as comedy.
Hah, this is how I feel! I was rooting for Joanie last night, that guy was a creep, basically written and played as "serial killer lite" from the start and I wasn't so sure that he wasn't going to grab Kerry and force her.

On the other hand there was an scene a few months back, set in a hospital, where Leyla kept hitting David and pulling him around so much that I was surprised none of the hospital employees pulled David aside privately and asked him if he needed help. That one bothered me.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:50
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Always think this is worth discussing

Wrote this a couple of weeks ago when Paddy was getting slapped and punched all over the place for the lolz.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/17/can-we...soaps-6329694/
Yes, very good article, wallo - I think it reflects the views of a lot of people.
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:13
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I think it is possibly getting a bit better even though there's still a bit of a double standard there. I think we're past the days of a violent thug like Peggy Mitchell being treated like a "classic soap character" and shows showing compilations of all her assaults that the audience are expected to cheer. There was one horrendous example in Holby City years ago when a female doctor slapped a male doctor without any real provocation and somehow he ended up being the one that apologised. Society changing, hopefully!
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:36
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Why do you allow someone to use the phrase working class towards anyone. Why aren't they called out on it the same way racists and bigots, fat shaming and body shaming, sexual orientation and disabilities are. That phrase is a put down to dismiss your ability to engage in intelligent conversation and act in a proper fashion. The next time someone uses that phrase in your presence call them on it, because if I see anyone on the forum classify someone as working class I'll rip them a new one. That shit has to be stopped. It's unacceptable and biased language.
In Central Scotland working class is a badge of pride, but then it's not associated with stupidity or lack of education because historically our school education was very good ( it' s not now but that's s a different issue). Working class and lower middle class parents are proud of their children achieving.People are often ashamed of owning up to being ' middle class's around here! We suffer from inverse snobbery around here
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:38
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Hah, this is how I feel! I was rooting for Joanie last night, that guy was a creep, basically written and played as "serial killer lite" from the start and I wasn't so sure that he wasn't going to grab Kerry and force her.

On the other hand there was an scene a few months back, set in a hospital, where Leyla kept hitting David and pulling him around so much that I was surprised none of the hospital employees pulled David aside privately and asked him if he needed help. That one bothered me.
Yes, that bothers me. I remember Moira slapping Cain in front of the police, who did nothing. I' m sure in reality she would have been charged.
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:49
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Yes, very good article, wallo - I think it reflects the views of a lot of people.
I agree. It's not so much the actual violence - it' s far from ideal but it happens and tbh, sometimes the victim deserves it- it' s the fact that we're re supposed to laugh when it's s a man being assaulted by a woman

Now before I get jumped on I' m not saying that ALL victims of violence deserve it, but sometimes it's s nice to see the smug grin wiped off a soap character's face. Both Chrissie and her dreadful sister were angling for one in ED last night, with their stupid film and bitchy remarks about other people's clothes and behaviour in response to a perfectly polite enquiry.
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:50
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Always think this is worth discussing

Wrote this a couple of weeks ago when Paddy was getting slapped and punched all over the place for the lolz.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/17/can-we...soaps-6329694/

I agree with every word and really dont know how the production teams think this ok in any way???
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:53
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In Central Scotland working class is a badge of pride, but then it's not associated with stupidity or lack of education because historically our school education was very good ( it' s not now but that's s a different issue). Working class and lower middle class parents are proud of their children achieving.People are often ashamed of owning up to being ' middle class's around here! We suffer from inverse snobbery around here
Your politeness reflects your pride. You are indeed a ray of sunshine.
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:00
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But many people describe themselves as 'working class.'

There are people who often boast about being working class, so it's not like everyone sees it as a put down.
I consider myself to be working class. I don't boast about it but I don't see anything wrong in it. I certainly don't think it's a derogatory term.
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:04
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The annoying thing for me in ED when Joanie punched the unpleasant man was how the consequences have meant she is stuck in prison for the New Year. If it had been Cain or any other attractive tough man, they would have got away with it. (And I love Cain).
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:13
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Your politeness reflects your pride. You are indeed a ray of sunshine.
Not often I' m described that way!
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:18
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The annoying thing for me in ED when Joanie punched the unpleasant man was how the consequences have meant she is stuck in prison for the New Year. If it had been Cain or any other attractive tough man, they would have got away with it. (And I love Cain).
I think it's s the beginning of
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:54
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I think it's s the beginning of
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You are probably right, but there are so many inconsistencies with TPTB's moral compass. Emma literally get's away with murder and Joanie get's banged up for a somewhat lesser crime. But this is soap world I suppose.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:54
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Yes exactly, that's why the plot failed so much was because Tina got slapped once, then a few weeks later she was attacked and Tosh left the next episode. So much potential as well but it failed and was rushed with no point in investing in the story at all.

The River City storyline did build up over a longer period and it came about from Will's anger issues didn't it? (I didn't watch then but have seen it on YT) Which made it much more in depth and you were able to see why Will was doing it, there was none of that in the EE storyline. Considering they have handled domestic abuse very well in the past (Little Mo and Trevor) that one failed so much.
It was very poor. It reeked of 'rush exit syndrome' for Tosh.

Yeah, Will's backstory/family life was very well explored and they got to the root of his anger problems. Hence, you could kind of feel a bit sorry for him, even though you hated him for hurting Robbie as well That's how these storylines should be. In fact, I'd say it was as good as Trevor/Little Mo, because even in that plot, Trevor was a bad "panto baddie" towards the end.

In Central Scotland working class is a badge of pride, but then it's not associated with stupidity or lack of education because historically our school education was very good ( it' s not now but that's s a different issue). Working class and lower middle class parents are proud of their children achieving.People are often ashamed of owning up to being ' middle class's around here! We suffer from inverse snobbery around here
Definitely agree on this. I think the same can be said for most ex-industrial parts of the UK: the working-class strongholds. Britain is a very class-ridden country but I just hate the soaps out-dated notion of the working-class. We're proud of our roots but we don't devalue education or being career-minded. The inverted snobbery against the middle-class is normal against those who flaunt their money (drop labels/prices etc) and are trying to be something they're not. In fact, you usually find mega-rich/upper-class people to be more friendly
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:01
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I think it is possibly getting a bit better even though there's still a bit of a double standard there. I think we're past the days of a violent thug like Peggy Mitchell being treated like a "classic soap character" and shows showing compilations of all her assaults that the audience are expected to cheer. There was one horrendous example in Holby City years ago when a female doctor slapped a male doctor without any real provocation and somehow he ended up being the one that apologised. Society changing, hopefully!
It's pathetic, isn't it? How many women in real life, who are strong, carry on like this?
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:07
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Yes, it is. It's only shown in BBC Scotland as a regional soap but, honestly, I think it's got the chops to be shown nationally. But, then again, I'm biased
It's on iPlayer so available nationally for many people, I watch it now and again.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:14
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It's on iPlayer so available nationally for many people, I watch it now and again.
That's true. It's just a shame it doesn't get national recognition though, as it can be really good.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:15
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Pobol Y Cwm are doing female on male domestic violence storyline involving Sioned and Ed.
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Old 31-12-2016, 02:32
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I have absolutely nothing useful to add (which has never stopped me before ) but I am finding the class discussion fascinating. Everyone in America claims to be middle class so you don't often hear "working class" here. I always equated it in my head to what I would call lower-middle (if anyone has seen the American shows The Middle or Roseanne - like that). Less a cultural/social description (though it is partly that) and more economic. Anyway good to know it can have negative connotations to people, thank you.
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Old 31-12-2016, 02:50
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Always think this is worth discussing

Wrote this a couple of weeks ago when Paddy was getting slapped and punched all over the place for the lolz.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/17/can-we...soaps-6329694/
Great article, sir! Thanks.
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Old 31-12-2016, 03:02
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I think it's a bit silly complaining about one form of violence when so much violence in general is ignored, excused or cheered.

If soaps are going to be social justice seekers, then be so. But that means seeking justice for all victims of violence, even when they're characters we don't like.

So Cain Dingle, Robert Sugden and Ross Barton should all be doing time right now...
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