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Old 31-12-2016, 14:00
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Just been reading about that I was curious myself.

Apparently there's a black American comedian, actor and male model called Lance Gross. He shared a photo on twitter that showed 4 male/female couples sitting together smiling and one woman, slightly off to the side looking a bit grumpy. Everyone in the picture is an African American.

The woman who is sitting on her own, and not part of a couple has the darkest skin tone of the women in the picture. Some people noticed that and had a bit of a problem with it, saying it was exclusionary to darker skinned black women, that the men are showing favouritism to lighter skinned black women and things like that. Some people stated they would boycott his films in the future.

He's saying that skin colour had nothing to do with it and that as the only single person in the picture she was looking grumpy as a joke, playing the role of the disgruntled singleton and they'd posed in a similar way at previous Christmases.

So "colourism" would be discrimination of someone based on their particular shade of skin within a race rather than the race itself, I think.
I've seen that photo and yes indeed it is dodgy propaganda. I think it's no coincidence that all the loved up couples featured either light skinned or white women with the disgruntled singleton being a darker skinned, slightly overweight black woman. It also comes off the back of an issue in black culture where black men seem to publically slag off black women while praising others.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:01
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It's mostly feminists who are up in arms about calling women beautiful.
Feminist speaking and no I'm not.
It's ridiculous and the main point is, why didn't he have the guts not to give damned fools that kind of control over him?
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:21
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Feminist speaking and no I'm not.
It's ridiculous and the main point is, why didn't he have the guts not to give damned fools that kind of control over him?
It seems if you piss off people your career goes down the toilet including sponsors and whatnot.
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:22
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I think it was because he judged on her looks first, if he'd said "she was witty and intelligent, and later I also noticed she was a bit of a sort" he would have been fine
Well that's the thing nowadays, you have to say things in the correct order and in the right combination. You have to be careful to not offend when you're saying something nice about someone. Those are ze rules and zey must be obeyed at all times.
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:29
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It seems if you piss off people your career goes down the toilet including sponsors and whatnot.
But I think the point the poster was making is that as soon as you submit to this kind of nonsense they get even worse. As soon as you apologise it's almost seen as an admission of guilt and gives people of a certain nature all the validation they need to really dig their heels in and make your life hell.

It would be good if people were nice, so when you apologised they said "Okay, no problem, have a good Christmas" but it doesn't usually work like that.
With some idiots you've got to tell them to go take a running jump.

An apology to these nutcases is an invitation to them to really go for the jugular. It's almost like they whiff the scent of weakness in their enemy.

As anne_666 quite rightly says, you put all the power into their hands by making yourself very vulnerable.
Some people are reasonable, but when you're dealing with social media I think you have to assume that you're liable to attract all the unreasonable ones. Apologise to these people and they see you as a weakened target to stick the boot into.

I've seen it happen time after time. Celebrity makes a faux pas and doesn't conform to the current acceptable etiquette. Gets an angry response. They apologise in the belief that they've made a mistake and think that if they don't they will get angrier. Then after the apology they get angrier and carry it on.
It seems to happen to some people who don't seem to be bad people at all.

I'd love it if now and again some celebrity had the balls to tell them to do one and not entertain their malicious lunacy. Sometimes no apology is required and shouldn't be forthcoming. Perhaps instead of people complaining about other people offending their precious sensibilities they need to learn how to cope with life and develop the ability to handle things other people say which they find to be rude.
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Old 01-01-2017, 01:04
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Why can't people let her rest in peace? She WAS beautiful and there's nothing wrong with saying so. Have we really come to this? RIP.
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Old 01-01-2017, 08:50
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Apparently there's now a backlash against the backlash that caused him to delete the tweet.

The stupid PC snowflakes who bitched about his tweet and said "it's very bad mmkay" should all be ashamed (if they even know the meaning of the word). Martin was friends with Fisher for many years and can say whatever the hell he wants because i'm damn sure he'd know better than most what she would or wouldn't approve of.
It only makes me wonder what sort of brain compression these bellends would experience if they read Penn Jillette's tribute.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:49
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What's wrong with how he worded it?
He could of worded it better but yeah, mountain out of molehill
Like not using the word creature to describe someone would be a good start.

But, like lots of stuff on Twitter posted by celebrities it's first world problems.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:53
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Outrage on Twitter?

But it normally offers such a calm, well balanced, sane response to things.
That really did make me laugh out loud. Same could be said of all social media, especially forums.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:54
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This is the kind of post that needs a 'like' button. The fuss over Steve Martin's tweet is ridiculous - but so is the current trend for calling anyone who complains about anything "stupid PC snowflakes" and blaming twitter as the cause of everything (or so it seems). Twitter can be a very useful communication tool - and can be tailored to your own specific needs and requirements - if you don't like what you read - don't follow, block, ignore - it is really very easy.
That's what I try to do, but then you get threads like this turning up in GD, when they should be in one of the Showbiz forums, and a click bait one at that.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:03
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as if you actually know any feminists....
Comments like that make me . How would you possibly know or are you best buddies IRL.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:04
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Steve Martin has more than enough money banked, so he should've gone full Adam Richman on these useless ***** and then sat back and laughed as they drove themselves apoplectic with rage.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:07
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Feminist speaking and no I'm not.
It's ridiculous and the main point is, why didn't he have the guts not to give damned fools that kind of control over him?

I couldn't agree more. How sweet was it to see the owner of Protein World teach the protesters making demands a new word...."No". You could hear the jaws dropping across the country. 😱😭
The bonus ball was that they got millions of pounds of free publicity from and saw their market share increased as a result of it all.😊
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:13
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Why can't people let her rest in peace? She WAS beautiful and there's nothing wrong with saying so. Have we really come to this? RIP.
The mindless morons of Twitter are quite sick.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:24
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Feminist speaking and no I'm not.
It's ridiculous and the main point is, why didn't he have the guts not to give damned fools that kind of control over him?
Exactly right. Why bother to pay attention to a mindless mob?
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:30
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Exactly right. Why bother to pay attention to a mindless mob?
Certainly whenever somebody apologises they mob seem to smell blood and go for them even more.
Protein World. It's the only way to go.😆👍
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Old Yesterday, 02:07
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Yeah Steve Martin said that he was horrified by the anti PC people on that thread.

He felt the people expressing concern about his referencing her appearance before any of her other qualities had a point. It made him realize that he would never refer to a man who had just died in that way. But the reason he took down the tweet was because of the anti PC trolls who he said were horrifying.
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Old Yesterday, 02:36
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Yeah Steve Martin said that he was horrified by the anti PC people on that thread.

He felt the people expressing concern about his referencing her appearance before any of her other qualities had a point. It made him realize that he would never refer to a man who had just died in that way. But the reason he took down the tweet was because of the anti PC trolls who he said were horrifying.
The writer who sparked this whole "controversy" should never have tried to hijack his tribute to try and push their own agenda.

She self-indulgently tried to turn a tribute to a very recently deceased person from a friend into an opportunity to hector and patronize people.

She opened up the Pandora's Box of Twitter's trolls' nest and turned it on Steve Martin honest and genuine tribute.

She needs to learn that the world does not revolve around her and her pet political points of view.
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Old Yesterday, 07:23
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Society needs to learn a new response to the words "Twitter errupted".

To paraphrase the Big Yin..... "SO F###ING WHAT?".

Life really is imitating art. The Monsters are due on Maple Street and it's mob rule and pitchforks all over again,
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Old Yesterday, 07:50
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Like not using the word creature to describe someone would be a good start.
In the context of "beautiful creature" I would say that he was simply trying to express a level of beauty that he considered pure and not normally attributable to mere humans. I have heard it before, but I have never considered it a slur or derogatory comment.
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In the context of "beautiful creature" I would say that he was simply trying to express a level of beauty that he considered pure and not normally attributable to mere humans. I have heard it before, but I have never considered it a slur or derogatory comment.
Same here. It's not meant to be objectifying, merely elevating her to a different plane.
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Old Yesterday, 08:15
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Same here. It's not meant to be objectifying, merely elevating her to a different plane.
Or Millennium Falcon.
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Old Yesterday, 08:31
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Utterly ridiculous of idiots to get offended by a nice tribute.
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Old Yesterday, 09:42
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Has any celebrity ever received a pointless public backlash (such as this) and basically told the people who are offended to simply go do one? Or refuse to apologise? Or just ignore them?
Ricky Gervais does this all the time. The most recent I can think of is his quip at Caitlyn Jenner while hosting the Golden Globes last year. 'Twitter erupted' when he dared to make a joke about a transgender person (even though the joke wasn't about her gender reassignment, it was about her being a woman driver) but instead of kowtowing and apologising, he simply made another joke on the same topic.

http://www.thewrap.com/caitlyn-jenne...driving-jokes/
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Old Yesterday, 13:24
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Ricky Gervais is an ass no matter what he does.
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