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Old 30-12-2016, 10:48
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May's incompetence is coming to the fore here - she just appears desperate to suck up to Trump by doing this. A competent PM would have ensured she had good links with both camps in the Presidential campaigns, rather than just assuming Clinton would win and sending all her diplomatic love bombs in her direction.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:13
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Kerry's comments were somewhat undiplomatic and unnecessary but the UK voted for the UN resolution. In any case the Obama administration is already under a bus.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:15
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Don't know what May is moaning about, what he said is effectively the UK's position as regards Israel.

If it was so different then the UK wouldn't have voted for the recent resolution
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:24
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I love the way that the state department "spokesman" is grateful for the support of the following despotic, abusive regimes

"Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates.”

Hilarious.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:25
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I love the way that the state department "spokesman" is grateful for the support of the following despotic, abusive regimes

"Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates.”

Hilarious.
As opposed to the UK which is almost completely insignificant
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Old 30-12-2016, 15:19
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May should butt out. She's got enough problems of her own to deal with.
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Old 30-12-2016, 15:56
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May's igncompetence is coming to the fore here - she just appears desperate to suck up to Trump by doing this. A competent PM would have ensured she had good links with both camps in the Presidential campaigns, rather than just assuming Clinton would win and sending all her diplomatic love bombs in her direction.
It's very sad to see the British PM crawling on her knees to incumbent Trump. Mrs May has no pride, dignity or diplomatic skills. Her sycophantic attitude is a national disgrace.
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Old 30-12-2016, 16:09
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May's incompetence is coming to the fore here - she just appears desperate to suck up to Trump by doing this. A competent PM would have ensured she had good links with both camps in the Presidential campaigns, rather than just assuming Clinton would win and sending all her diplomatic love bombs in her direction.
That's exactly what it looks like.
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Old 30-12-2016, 16:47
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May started off well but she's slowly sliding down the ladder.
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Old 30-12-2016, 16:58
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Just wait until Trump throws May under a bus.
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Old 30-12-2016, 16:59
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Just wait until Trump throws May under a bus.
It almost certainly will happen. Trump clearly hasn't got much time for May, judging by the fact he keeps trolling her with his trysts with Farage.
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Old 30-12-2016, 17:18
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May started off well but she's slowly sliding down the ladder.
She didn't even do that. She said a few chosen words and the media have given her an easy time. That is all.
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Old 30-12-2016, 17:22
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Makes sense not to upset the person who is going to be President for the next 4 years - as opposed to someone who won't even be in office in four weeks!

When was the last time the UN agreed a resolution criticising Saudi Arabia and other dictatorships in the region. Israel is one of the few nations in the Middle East where Arabs actually get a vote and get to reside in a democracy.
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Old 30-12-2016, 17:32
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May's incompetence is coming to the fore here - she just appears desperate to suck up to Trump by doing this. A competent PM would have ensured she had good links with both camps in the Presidential campaigns, rather than just assuming Clinton would win and sending all her diplomatic love bombs in her direction.
Yes she is a right opportunist, trying to crawl up to the jewish vote here imo too which has moved away from Labour ever since Ed Miliband was" so out of order" enough to support the Palestinians getting UN Observer status!

What she fails to realise is that its unlikely most people support or have sympathy with Israel and what and how they go about things and if I'm wrong, where is the opinion polls that show overwhelming support for Israel among the public either here or world wide? The only support for israel seems to come from politicians who only do so becuase they get massive donations from pro israel lobby groups!

If Trump goes into bias mode re israel and it looks like he will, neither he nor May will improve things whatsover! I think she is very right wing in general when it comes to foreigners and muslims in particular and over time it will become more and more apparent. The only exception she and her business mad party will give is if foreigners/muslims have money, then she will put her personal dislikes aside. I can't stand her for these kind of reasons and other reasons too!
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Old 30-12-2016, 17:33
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Makes sense not to upset the person who is going to be President for the next 4 years - as opposed to someone who won't even be in office in four weeks!

When was the last time the UN agreed a resolution criticising Saudi Arabia and other dictatorships in the region. Israel is one of the few nations in the Middle East where Arabs actually get a vote and get to reside in a democracy.
Britain voted for the resolution.
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Old 30-12-2016, 17:34
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Britain voted for the resolution.
Which makes her look even more stupid!
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Old 30-12-2016, 17:37
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May's incompetence is coming to the fore here - she just appears desperate to suck up to Trump by doing this. A competent PM would have ensured she had good links with both camps in the Presidential campaigns, rather than just assuming Clinton would win and sending all her diplomatic love bombs in her direction.
She should have vetoed the resolution as poorly drafted, and unhelpful, and said she supported the Egyptian view, it needed more work, to cover herself with the Arab world. . As it is, she's voted for it, but then pointed out that Kerry's explanations, for it, paper over all the key issues , and the outcome is vague , and unhelpful.
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Old 30-12-2016, 17:46
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She should have vetoed the resolution as poorly drafted, and unhelpful, and said she supported the Egyptian view, it needed more work, to cover herself with the Arab world. . As it is, she's voted for it, but then pointed out that Kerry's explanations, for it, paper over all the key issues , and the outcome is vague , and unhelpful.
No it was right it wasn't vetoed. What is wrong is the uber bias that allows Israel such a free hand to do what they like, land grab more and more Plaestinian land without sanctions and the media never dare getting on the case too much because Israeli supporters always cry anti semitism as a means of trying to shut down criticism or get what they want!
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Old 30-12-2016, 17:53
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She should have vetoed the resolution as poorly drafted, and unhelpful, ................
That would have been a tad disingenuous as it turns out that Britain drafted the Resolution behind the scenes

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ents-confirmed
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:08
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No it was right it wasn't vetoed. What is wrong is the uber bias that allows Israel such a free hand to do what they like, land grab more and more Plaestinian land without sanctions and the media never dare getting on the case too much because Israeli supporters always cry anti semitism as a means of trying to shut down criticism or get what they want!
Because its totally unrealistic to expect Isael to agree anything with a dysfunctional Palestinian leadership - that doesn't control its terrorists, or even half its population, about peace. The Palestinians first have to all agree that they are not going to reverse 1948, and find a secure government that can sign a peace deal, and keep their militamts in check - without being killed by their own terrorists soon after.

Its not an issue that can be progressed for decades. Any peace deal now will last until the first rocket crosses the Isrtaeli border, and it will then be back to the current situation,. The reality is that no one now wants a deal in Palestine, or israel , the Palestinian leaders know it would be personal suicide, and cut off their Arab aid, and the israelis know it would lead to more attacks, and then a reinvasion. And the last thing the Arab states want ,is a terrorist hotbed, with its own state, in the middle of them. Its only a few grandstanding western politicians, Arab states wanting to appease their own voters with signs of concern, anti-semites, and some on the left ,who keep bringing the issue up.

This resolution doesn't help anything. It undermines any peace talks, by offering the Palestinians something for nothing, fails to distinguish between settlements that will be staying , and those that will go, and confuses the legal situation - which is, essentially, that nothing is decided who owns what, until there is a peace treaty, that determines the borders of a new state.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:11
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Theresa May is a craven weakling who cannot wait to supplicate herself, and this country, to the reality TV administration of Trump.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:12
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Because its totally unrealistic to expect Isael to agree anything with a dysfunctional Palestinian leadership - that doesn't control its terrorists, or even half its population, about peace. The Palestinians first have to all agree that they are not going to reverse 1948, and find a secure government that can sign a peace deal, and keep their militamts in check - without being killed by their own terrorists soon after.

Its not an issue that can be progressed for decades. Any peace deal now will last until the first rocket crosses the Isrtaeli border, and it will then be back to the current situation,. The reality is that no one now wants a deal in Palestine, or israel , the Palestinian leaders know it would be personal suicide, and cut off their Arab aid, and the israelis know it would lead to more attacks, and then a reinvasion. And the last thing the Arab states want ,is a terrorist hotbed, with its own state, in the middle of them. Its only a few grandstanding western politicians, Arab states wanting to appease their own voters with signs of concern, anti-semites, and some on the left ,who keep bringing the issue up.

This resolution doesn't help anything. It undrmines nay peace talks, by offering the Palestinians something for nothing, fails to distinguish between settlements that will be staying and those that will go, and confuses the legal situation - which is essentially that nothing is decided who owns what until there is a peace treaty, that determines the borders of a new state.

Israel was created by FORCING Palestinians out of their land/homes/towns/villages and cities but the Palestinians are terrorists if they try and defend themselves from that and not Israel?! The term victors justice springs to mind here!

This is crazy pathetic double standards set by the west who woudn't accept the same thing happening to them and always go on about self determination rights on their planted land grab areas too and self defence rights too, but oh no, none of that exists if your Palestinian?!
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:17
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May started off well but she's slowly sliding down the ladder.
What did she do to start off well?

When she got the job, she made a nice Left wing speech which the Right wing media would have pilloried if Jeremy Corbyn made it, but they loved because she made it, then she went on holiday for 3 weeks.

She's barely done anything of any real note since becoming PM.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:18
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This resolution doesn't help anything. It undermines any peace talks, by offering the Palestinians something for nothing, fails to distinguish between settlements that will be staying , and those that will go, and confuses the legal situation - which is, essentially, that nothing is decided who owns what, until there is a peace treaty, that determines the borders of a new state.
It does help. It provides a potential legal basis to organise sanctions and boycotts against Israel. It also provides a basis for a possible legal challenge to the ban on boycotting Israel imposed on public bodies in this country and elsewhere.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:35
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i do think that Britain should have vetoed the resolution then the criticism would be more consistant. but im pleased its a move in the right direction.
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