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Old 30-12-2016, 18:38
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I think she's attempting to out-perform Cameron in the poor Prime Minsters of our time rankings.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:47
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Utterly cringeworthy. Absolutely no need for her to have gotten into this spat whatsoever. It's just a pathetic bit of attention seeking, showing the proud new UK can still throw its weight about, and sucking up to the President Elect at the same time.

I'm not proud of the new UK in the remotest. It's an embarrassment.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:27
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I am more interested in knowing who Kerry's plastic surgeon is - for someone his age his face has no wrinkles at all?

Just looks very odd.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:39
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Utterly cringeworthy. Absolutely no need for her to have gotten into this spat whatsoever. It's just a pathetic bit of attention seeking, showing the proud new UK can still throw its weight about, and sucking up to the President Elect at the same time.

I'm not proud of the new UK in the remotest. It's an embarrassment.
I think she is trying to secure the jewish vote for the Tories too, not sure how many seats that represents though. Most jewish people who support Israel stopped supporting Labour when Ed Miliband chose to support the Palestinians getting UN Observer status around 2014, not that EM had any official weight as he wasn't in Government but Israeli supporters couldn't handle it and started to call Labour anti semitic because of that support EM gave!
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:43
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I think she is trying to secure the jewish vote for the Tories too, not sure how many seats that represents though!
Key would be the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney where almost 38% of the voters identify as Jewish. Some 30,000 votes.

Of course it won't be called that that after it has been merged with Islington North in the up coming boundary changes
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:56
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Key would be the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney where almost 38% of the voters identify as Jewish. Some 30,000 votes.

Of course it won't be called that that after it has been merged with Islington North in the up coming boundary changes
I don't think there is that many seats at all that people of the jewish faith can affect if they all vote largely for one party. Hertmere which incorporates north Greater London areas I would have thought, Hampstead/Kilburn is a dual area seat, a few other north london seats maybe and thats about it. I've heard there is a considerable jewish community in Manchester too, but thats generally quite safe for Labour.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:23
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I don't think there is that many seats at all that people of the jewish faith can affect if they all vote largely for one party. Hertmere which incorporates north Greater London areas I would have thought, Hampstead/Kilburn is a dual area seat, a few other north london seats maybe and thats about it. I've heard there is a considerable jewish community in Manchester too, but thats generally quite safe for Labour.
It could be worth it for just one seat - if it's the right seat. Corbyn's seat for instance

On a more serious note, here's the research from 2015:
http://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR....l_Election.pdf
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:36
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I think she is trying to secure the jewish vote for the Tories too, not sure how many seats that represents though. Most jewish people who support Israel stopped supporting Labour when Ed Miliband chose to support the Palestinians getting UN Observer status around 2014, not that EM had any official weight as he wasn't in Government but Israeli supporters couldn't handle it and started to call Labour anti semitic because of that support EM gave!
She doesn't need to try Labour have an image problem re anti-Semitic members, so the Jews will prefer the Tories.
So if that was the reason for making herself look a bit silly, it was a waste of time.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:44
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Kerry's comments were somewhat undiplomatic and unnecessary but the UK voted for the UN resolution. In any case the Obama administration is already under a bus.
Aside from this issue its a quite absurd situation. You have this weird couple of months where Obama and his administration are still technically running things, both increasingly frantic and forlorn it seems to me, and yet at the same time there is Trump barking and harassing from the sidelines.

Iv got to say Trump scares me, but at the same time, we await surely the most randomly weird term in office there has ever been-and there is a fascination in that.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:17
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Originally Posted by RecordPlayer
May started off well but she's slowly sliding down the ladder.

She didn't even do that. She said a few chosen words and the media have given her an easy time. That is all.

I don't think she started off well and it seems she hasn't done anything except talk about either a hard, soft, smooth, or blue white and red Brexit. She was a very poor Home Secretary too.

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I think she's attempting to out-perform Cameron in the poor Prime Minsters of our time rankings.
I think that is managing to do this very successfully.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:18
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She doesn't need to try Labour have an image problem re anti-Semitic members, so the Jews will prefer the Tories.
So if that was the reason for making herself look a bit silly, it was a waste of time.
What proof has there been of anti semitsm in Labour? All I hear is allegations made/mud thrown but nothing proven?

That Ruth Smeeth that time claiming she was the victim of anti semtism all because a Momentum guy accused her of colluding with the Telegraph against Corbyn was a absurd completely preposterous claim. Did that guy even know what religion if any she had? I didn't and I hadn't even heard of her before either before that. I think she was only elected in 2015 too. Even if he had known that she was jewish, how is it anti semitism to accuse her of colluding with a right wing newspaper that supports the Tories?

I noticed her in parliament a few weeks back and for some reason she crossed her legs very slowly while sitting down and was smiling a fair bit at the Tory front bench and they seemed quite pleased back. In my opinion she was crawling up to the Tories and was looking at the Tory front bench in a nod/wink kind of way but I don't know why. Maybe she's another one who's a Blairite and wants Labour to be more Tory than Labour and if thats what she wants, she needs to join the Tories and how on earth are such types getting selected to be Labour candidates anyway? Are they keeping their Tory lite tendencies quiet at the selection process?!
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:35
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What proof has there been of anti semitsm in Labour? All I hear is allegations made/mud thrown but nothing proven?

That Ruth Smeeth that time claiming she was the victim of anti semtism all because a Momentum guy accused her of colluding with the Telegraph against Corbyn was a absurd completely preposterous claim. Did that guy even know what religion if any she had? I didn't and I hadn't even heard of her before either before that. I think she was only elected in 2015 too. Even if he had known that she was jewish, how is it anti semitism to accuse her of colluding with a right wing newspaper that supports the Tories?

I noticed her in parliament a few weeks back and for some reason she crossed her legs very slowly while sitting down and was smiling a fair bit at the Tory front bench and they seemed quite pleased back. In my opinion she was crawling up to the Tories and was looking at the Tory front bench in a nod/wink kind of way but I don't know why. Maybe she's another one who's a Blairite and wants Labour to be more Tory than Labour and if thats what she wants, she needs to join the Tories and how on earth are such types getting selected to be Labour candidates anyway? Are they keeping their Tory lite tendencies quiet at the selection process?!
From the Guardian

'The chair of Labour’s main Jewish organisation has said the party faces a crisis over the impact of antisemitism in the party, telling a meeting of the Jeremy Corbyn-backing Momentum group that the problem was too often ignored'

Or you can read Dave Rich’s seminal primer, “The Left’s Jewish Problem: Jeremy Corbyn, Israel and Antisemitism”

Obviously there's more if you care to look or you can ignore it
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:47
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I think she is trying to secure the jewish vote for the Tories too, not sure how many seats that represents though.
Jewish people usually tend to be Tory voters.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:34
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From the Guardian

'The chair of Labour’s main Jewish organisation has said the party faces a crisis over the impact of antisemitism in the party, telling a meeting of the Jeremy Corbyn-backing Momentum group that the problem was too often ignored'

Or you can read Dave Rich’s seminal primer, “The Left’s Jewish Problem: Jeremy Corbyn, Israel and Antisemitism”

Obviously there's more if you care to look or you can ignore it
Again where is the proof? Just because people make allegations doesn't mean that its true or happened. Whenever I listen to phone in shows on radio about Israel/Palestine, its not too long before people falsely throw around the anti semite card to shut down criticism and I think this is whats going on here, starting off when Miliband chose to symbolically support the Palestinians getting UN observer status.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:35
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Jewish people usually tend to be Tory voters.
Its not what I heard/read over the last few years. The votes switched after Miliband symbolically chose to support the palestinians getting UN observer status and that says a lot about how anti Palestinian and anti peace those upset about that are!
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:05
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Again where is the proof? Just because people make allegations doesn't mean that its true or happened. Whenever I listen to phone in shows on radio about Israel/Palestine, its not too long before people falsely throw around the anti semite card to shut down criticism and I think this is whats going on here, starting off when Miliband chose to symbolically support the Palestinians getting UN observer status.
What proof do you want?, they had the hypocrite Chakrabarti lead an investigation which was supposedly independent after the party suspended Shah and Livingstone. Chakrabarti whitewashed the enquiry and her soul to take a peerage from Labour.

Personally I don't care enough about Palestinians to shut down criticism re Israel, but I do care about how a supposedly left of centre party wants to pretend they haven't got a problem re anti Semitism, when they clearly have, otherwise why have an investigation and more tellingly why reward the investigator with a peerage?

That on its own is proof enough, there is an issue and it hasn't been resolved.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:24
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There's far more anti-semitism from the right but I wouldn't expect a right wing media to care to address that.

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/...cus-on-labour/

This is of interest too...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-vote-for.html
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:32
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What proof do you want?, they had the hypocrite Chakrabarti lead an investigation which was supposedly independent after the party suspended Shah and Livingstone. Chakrabarti whitewashed the enquiry and her soul to take a peerage from Labour.

Personally I don't care enough about Palestinians to shut down criticism re Israel, but I do care about how a supposedly left of centre party wants to pretend they haven't got a problem re anti Semitism, when they clearly have, otherwise why have an investigation and more tellingly why reward the investigator with a peerage?

That on its own is proof enough, there is an issue and it hasn't been resolved.
What kind of question is that?! If anyone makes an allegation they need to prove it not the "defendent" prove their innocence! Take the ludicrous allegations made by Ruth Smeeth, where on earth wasir the proof/proof of intent and in general that the guy who accused her of colludiong/tipping off Telegraph reporters was being anti semitic?!

If people go round making allegations then they need proof for it to be sustained, allegations alone won't wash!
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Old 01-01-2017, 07:29
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What kind of question is that?! If anyone makes an allegation they need to prove it not the "defendent" prove their innocence! Take the ludicrous allegations made by Ruth Smeeth, where on earth wasir the proof/proof of intent and in general that the guy who accused her of colludiong/tipping off Telegraph reporters was being anti semitic?!

If people go round making allegations then they need proof for it to be sustained, allegations alone won't wash!
An open one
You've been given quotes from Jewish folk, a book, MP's being suspended, an investigation etc all of this is proof, you say it isn't.

So what type of proof do you want?
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:28
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Obama sings.......

I'm her yesterday man
Well my friends that's what I am
I'm her yesterday man
Well my friends that's what I am
That's what I am, her yesterday man
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Old 01-01-2017, 18:16
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-un-resolution

May's incompetence is coming to the fore here - she just appears desperate to suck up to Trump by doing this. A competent PM would have ensured she had good links with both camps in the Presidential campaigns, rather than just assuming Clinton would win and sending all her diplomatic love bombs in her direction.
trump is the next president, obama is a lame duck and will be consigned to the history books.
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