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Old 30-12-2016, 18:03
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Films based on historical fact change history all the time. The name of the dog really isn't important.
Yet you took the time to find and post a link with regards to name change.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:07
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Are we still waiting for the first complaint?
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:13
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Yet you took the time to find and post a link with regards to name change.
I already remembered hearing about the name change, so thought it would be of interest. I didn't seek it out specially.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:14
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Are we still waiting for the first complaint?
Yep...

...I imagine there was more interest in the days we only had four channels.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:16
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Are you working for the Daily Mail? I don't think anybody ever has complained about the name of that dog. Why? Because it's historical - people know that's what it was called and it's a SIXTY YEAR OLD FILM ANYWAY.

If there's a snowflake here it's the people who are just itching to start an argument because they perceive people will be offended by something (which they aren't).
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:21
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Who wants to fact check a happy memory... they're roughly shaped the same
I suppose they are. Recognising them must be down to knowing the magnification of your binoculars for those less familiar. I've got Herring gulls on my garage roof, and am familiar with various species of albatross. Luckily, not familiar with the ice cream
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:22
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I think the Agatha Christie book's a slightly different case, though... for starters it wasn't based on an actual real place (the island on which the book is set, which had the same name as Gibson's faithful hound) so changing it wasn't really messing with history, and also it did kind of perpetuate the rhyme which gave the book its title and which already existed in many, many far less problematic versions.

Whoever decided to rename it "Ten Little Indians", however, clearly hadn't really thought ahead. It's now published as "And Then There Were None", and it really is a cracking read, harmed not a jot by the removal of a word which is actually entirely irrelevant to the plot or meaning of the text.
And it also actually avoids spoiling the plot because if you know the actual nursery rhyme it sort of spoils how some of them die and how many of them die. "And then there were none" actually avoids doing that.

Personally, I prefer The Murder of Roger Ackroyd but that wasn't what we were on about!
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:31
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Is this the new name for the "PC brigade"?

Interesting idea this thread - anticipating complaints that no one is making!
Ironically, it appears to have been longer than it took for someone to complain about (the yet to appear) people complaining about the name of Guy Gibson's dog.
Nobody outraged yet?
How disappointing for the OP.
Wonder if they are outraged that nobody is outraged.
Great film BTW
OP the only person outraged appears to be you.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:33
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Yet you took the time to find and post a link with regards to name change.


Quite. It's surprising how important unimportant things become sometimes... depending on your viewpoint of course.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:35
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don't see why they should rename it Digger if that is not what the dog was called. Django Unchained used the N word alot and don't remember any uproar about that ( and that word was utter 110 times according to an article i read online.)

I don't like the word or would use the word but sadly in the past it was frequently used.
I don't mind them changing the name in a remake that much, but they shouldn't censor the original.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:38
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Personally, I prefer The Murder of Roger Ackroyd but that wasn't what we were on about!
God, I had that spoiled for me by an English teacher who was using it as an example. I was only reading the bloody thing at the time.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:39
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I don't mind them changing the name in a remake that much, but they shouldn't censor the original.
I agree
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:41
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I thought the dog looked slightly embarrassed, but maybe I'm just projecting...
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:43
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Quite. It's surprising how important unimportant things become sometimes... depending on your viewpoint of course.
Yeah... some people utterly freak out over the name of a dog in a film about blowing up Dams for example.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:53
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I thought the dog looked slightly embarrassed, but maybe I'm just projecting...
Hahaha!
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:56
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I thought the dog looked slightly embarrassed, but maybe I'm just projecting...
Nah, it had read the script, and didn't like being written out early.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:12
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Yeah... some people utterly freak out over the name of a dog in a film about blowing up Dams for example.
No evidence of that as yet though.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:16
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:22
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Surprising, given it's on ITV.
Hmm, they have been edited in the past.

Censorship[edit]
N****** was portrayed in the 1955 British war film The Dam Busters, in which he was mentioned by name frequently. In 1999, British television network ITV broadcast a censored version of the film, with all instances of the name removed. ITV blamed regional broadcaster London Weekend Television, which in turn alleged that a junior staff member had been responsible for the unauthorised cuts. When ITV again showed a censored version in June 2001, it was criticised by Index on Censorship as "unnecessary and ridiculous" and because the edits introduced continuity errors.[5][6][7] The code word "******" transmitted in Morse Code upon the successful completion of the central mission was not censored. More recently, in 2012, ITV3 have shown the film uncut a few times, but with a warning at the start that it contains racial terms from the period which some people may find offensive. However, in 2013 the film has been shown a few times by Channel 5 uncut and without any warning.

Some edited American versions of the film use dubbing to change ******'s name to Trigger

An aberration of the Spanish word for black.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:29
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Never even heard the N word here back in the day. ( not saying it was never used , only I never heard it (only old ladies asking for N brown wool)
I have a reel of brown thread in my sewing box that gives the name of the colour as N*****. It must be bloody ancient.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:34
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one of the cats in Hyde park cemetery

https://londoninsight.files.wordpres...0/1b2q9426.jpg

I must say though, 'Bogie' is a brilliant name for your pet
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:35
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I saw the version with the name removed, I nearly choked on my own spit. To me its sacrosanct, the film itself is almost as important a piece of history of its time as the real events were. But I'm especially biased as I am/was related to Richard Todd.
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Old 30-12-2016, 20:49
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one of the cats in Hyde park cemetery

https://londoninsight.files.wordpres...0/1b2q9426.jpg

I must say though, 'Bogie' is a brilliant name for your pet
Gibsons dog is buried at RAF Scampton, 3rd and 4th photo down (click on it to enlarge).

http://adymsmithblog.blogspot.co.uk/...rs-part-1.html
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:22
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I saw the version with the name removed, I nearly choked on my own spit. To me its sacrosanct, the film itself is almost as important a piece of history of its time as the real events were. But I'm especially biased as I am/was related to Richard Todd.
Are you irked by the various innacuracies in the film?
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:26
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No evidence of that as yet though.
I was referring to the people who can;t abide the name of the dog being changed.. as evidence in this very thread
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