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jjwales
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“changing historical fact to fit current beliefs is a bizarre and pointless thing to do.”

True, but it's a different matter with a film that's just based on historical fact. Some minor details will always be changed, and other things just invented. The important thing is that the spirit of what originally happened is honoured.
annette kurten
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“True, but it's a different matter with a film that's just based on historical fact. Some minor details will always be changed, and other things just invented. The important thing is that the spirit of what originally happened is honoured.”

that`s how history gets distorted and i cannot bear it, the facts are important, even those deemed minor else there`s no credibility either.
jjwales
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“that`s how history gets distorted and i cannot bear it, the facts are important, even those deemed minor else there`s no credibility either.”

In that case you should just avoid biographical films and stick to documentaries or history books!
Sport1
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“that`s how history gets distorted and i cannot bear it, the facts are important, even those deemed minor else there`s no credibility either.”

Probably best you don't read this then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da...rical_accuracy
annette kurten
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“In that case you should just avoid biographical films and stick to documentaries or history books!”

what value does an inaccurate biography have? [barring comedy].
annette kurten
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sport1:
“Probably best you don't read this then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da...rical_accuracy”

those are "minor" facts?

a film that claims to be factual can`t be adding and taking away important bits.

"loosely based on" or "what might have been slightly more interesting than the reality" i can deal with.
Aetius_Maralas
31-12-2016
There is a certain amusement watching the usual suspects working themselves into a tizzy about something that hasn't happened.

To say nothing about the irony of watching a program and immediately going online to express their outrage, and the ones who didn't watch it but are still outraged, about something that didn't happen.
jjwales
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“what value does an inaccurate biography have? [barring comedy].”

Entertainment, coupled with giving a flavour of what actually happened. I recently enjoyed the DVD of "Eddie the Eagle", for example. Some details were changed for dramatic purposes, but the spirit and personality of the guy came through, and Eddie himself gave it his blessing.
RobinOfLoxley
31-12-2016
There was a reconstructive Documentary in Canada, including archive footage of testing where aircraft got splashback or impacts from released bombs at very low level.

One bomb even bounced up and completely removed the tail of the aircraft and it nosedived into the lake. I can only imagine the crew were killed (it wasn't mentioned)


My favourite interpretation is here https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=yo...utf-8&oe=utf-8


Documentary: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=yo...rs+documentary
annette kurten
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Entertainment, coupled with giving a flavour of what actually happened. I recently enjoyed the DVD of "Eddie the Eagle", for example. Some details were changed for dramatic purposes, but the spirit and personality of the guy came through, and Eddie himself gave it his blessing.”

it`s as disappointing, distracting and irritating as a film adaptation of a book that`s wrong.
MAW
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“those are "minor" facts?

a film that claims to be factual can`t be adding and taking away important bits.

"loosely based on" or "what might have been slightly more interesting than the reality" i can deal with.”

By modern Hollywood standards the film is near perfect, sadly. My avoidance of Pearl Harbour is partly cos it's excessively long, but it's also utter bollocks.
jjwales
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“it`s as disappointing, distracting and irritating as a film adaptation of a book that`s wrong.”

To you, maybe. I don't find such films disappointing or irritating unless there is a really massive departure from the truth. The sensible thing is just to treat them as entertainment, perhaps loosely based on facts. As for film adaptations of novels, again they need to be treated on their own terms, as the two mediums are very different.
MAW
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“To you, maybe. I don't find such films disappointing or irritating unless there is a really massive departure from the truth. The sensible thing is just to treat them as entertainment, perhaps loosely based on facts. As for film adaptations of novels, again they need to be treated on their own terms, as the two mediums are very different.”

There's no mention of a wet shirted Mr Darcy in Pride and Prejudice as written. Though the Poldark scene equivalent is roughly speaking in the book. They like to spice such things up, I don't recall many ladies complaining about that.
annette kurten
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“To you, maybe. I don't find such films disappointing or irritating unless there is a really massive departure from the truth. The sensible thing is just to treat them as entertainment, perhaps loosely based on facts. As for film adaptations of novels, again they need to be treated on their own terms, as the two mediums are very different.”

to me definitely.
annette kurten
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by MAW:
“There's no mention of a wet shirted Mr Darcy in Pride and Prejudice as written. Though the Poldark scene equivalent is roughly speaking in the book. They like to spice such things up, I don't recall many ladies complaining about that.”

i find all that mills and boonification cringey, if i want titillating i`ll find something hardcore on the internet.



edit: maybe this → is not the best smilie choice for the occasion .
MAW
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“i find all that mills and boonification cringey, if i want titillating i`ll find something hardcore on the internet.

”

Fair enough I find it less annoying than altering real history though, if it's fiction to start with. But really, are you completely unmoved by Poldark's topless scything I'm slightly annoyed by Demelza's hair colour She's meant to be the dark one!
RobinOfLoxley
31-12-2016
Are Darkies more sexy?
annette kurten
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by MAW:
“Fair enough I find it less annoying than altering real history though, if it's fiction to start with. But really, are you completely unmoved by Poldark's topless scything”

yes, there`s something poncey about it, he looks like he`s stepped out of a hugo boss shower.

where`s the dirt at? i like a man with swarfega in the bathroom and diesel stained t-shirts.
gomezz
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by MAW:
“Fair enough I find it less annoying than altering real history though, if it's fiction to start with. But really, are you completely unmoved by Poldark's topless scything I'm slightly annoyed by Demelza's hair colour She's meant to be the dark one!”

I am more annoyed that it is supposed to be a prime time TV drama with interesting characters and relationships at its heart yet fails to execute. Perhaps they should shift emphasis to make Warleggan centre stage with more of his humerous Blackaddery villainy.
stoatie
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“To you, maybe.”

Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“to me definitely.”

He should have called his dog Barry Chuckle. Or Paul Chuckle. Either one, really.
RobinOfLoxley
31-12-2016
We had a hand-me-down Poodle called Pépé once. That was embarassing when out and about.
stoatie
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“To you, maybe. I don't find such films disappointing or irritating unless there is a really massive departure from the truth. The sensible thing is just to treat them as entertainment, perhaps loosely based on facts. As for film adaptations of novels, again they need to be treated on their own terms, as the two mediums are very different.”

Exactly. A movie can fail by being too literal an adaptation as easily as by diverging too far from the source material. Take Watchmen, for example. Leaving the ending out of it, the reason that didn't work for me was because it stuck too closely to the plot and failed to realise that the plot was always the least important part. It was a comic about comics- of course a film following the same beats and structure was going to fail.

Conversely, the movie adaptation of The French Lieutenant's Woman very clearly understood the source material in a much deeper way than just knowing what was supposed to happen when.
muggins14
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“We had a hand-me-down Poodle called Pépé once. That was embarassing when out and about.”

why? It's a very common name in Spanish speaking countries.

ETA: Google tells me it's the Spanish diminutive of Joseph.
MAW
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Are Darkies more sexy?”

Yes. Definitely. I've never had a blonde girlfriend for this reason.
stoatie
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“ why? It's a very common name in Spanish speaking countries.

ETA: Google tells me it's the Spanish diminutive of Joseph.”

These days, of course, it's a racist frog*.

*well, the frog's not actually racist, but has been co-opted by racists. You probably don't want to know.
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