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The Kardashians donate over a hundred meals to the Homeless
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Trulytrue
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by dee123:
“They are the pinnacle of attention whores who fetish African American men and their culture. There are far better celebrity role models.”

What is wrong with that? Everyone has their own personal taste.

Are they Caucasian? as looked these people up and they look like they are mixed race.
dee123
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“What is wrong with that? Everyone has their own personal taste.

Are they Caucasian? as looked these people up and they look like they are mixed race.”

That's the problem.
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“What is wrong with that? Everyone has their own personal taste.

Are they Caucasian? as looked these people up and they look like they are mixed race.”

Their father's family were originally from Armenia and their mother's family roots are Western European.
Trulytrue
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by dee123:
“That's the problem.”

Sorry still have no idea what your point is?

Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Their father's family were originally from Armenia and their mother's family roots are Western European.”


Thank you. They are a nice looking family shame they felt so insecure they went down the surgery route. But that seems like today's way of dealing with things.
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“Sorry still have no idea what your point is?




Thank you. They are a nice looking family shame they felt so insecure they went down the surgery route. But that seems like today's way of dealing with things.”

Yes, they were... but sadly they all look utterly ridiculous now and in all probability will look a hundred times worse in years to come.

Don't get me wrong - I think a little judicious cosmetic surgery can do wonders for self-confidence when someone is very self-conscious about some feature or body defect but when it becomes more akin to completely altering one's features or one's body to a perceived "ideal", it all becomes rather problematic.
zx50
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by dee123:
“That's the problem.”

What's wrong with having mixed race boyfriends in your list of exes?

Edit: I see this thread's now starting to go down her list of boyfriends route now. Anyway, I still think it was a nice thing to do for the homeless people.
Trulytrue
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Yes, they were... but sadly they all look utterly ridiculous now and in all probability will look a hundred times worse in years to come.

Don't get me wrong - I think a little judicious cosmetic surgery can do wonders for self-confidence when someone is very self-conscious about some feature or body defect but when it becomes more akin to completely altering one's features or one's body to a perceived "ideal", it all becomes rather problematic.”

I feel very sorry for the young of today. These plastic surgeons imo need to be reigned in and not be able to disfigure people,even if the people want it.
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“I feel very sorry for the young of today. These plastic surgeons imo need to be reigned in and not be able to disfigure people,even if the people want it.”

I think the issue is that some surgeons will not say no or that certain patients/clients will simply take their business to a different surgeon if their first choice of surgeon will not carry out their demands.

Sadly though a lot of patients will not take advice on what is realistic and achievable but some surgeons will agree to proceed anyway, even though they probably know the results will not be good.

It takes quite a brave surgeon who will turn down a wealthy client whose demands and expectations are unrealistic - particularly in an environment such as Los Angeles where a surgeon's reputation could be shredded very easily by just one disgruntled client/patient.
dee123
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by zx50:
“What's wrong with having mixed race boyfriends in your list of exes?”

Nothing, but when you pander to a particular group just for $$$$$$ it's pathetic.
blueblade
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“OK, so if we consider the likely unit cost of each of these "gourmet meals" and multiply it by one hundred.... then consider how much further the money for this would stretch if the meals were not "gourmet standard" but were still high quality produce, nicely cooked and presented by a capable and imaginative cook. That would show a greater intention to provide for as many people as possible on the same budget - would it not?

Now I am not suggesting for one moment that just because someone is homeless that they are somehow not entitled to receive a "gourmet meal", because that is not the case. However, if someone was really keen to reach out and help deserving people to enjoy a decent meal on Christmas Day, would it not be logical to make sure that the budget for it benefited as large a number of people as possible?

The fact that the "gourmet" standard of this food has been emphasised is what lends weight to the argument that this food was not originally intended to be served to the homeless. If the plan was always to provide food to the homeless on Christmas Day, why would it have to be intimated as "chef-cooked" or "gourmet standard"?

It doesn't. By drawing attention to its provenance as "chef cooked", as opposed to mass catered, this is either Kris Jenner putting on airs and graces about HER acts of charity being somehow more worthy than those of other charitable donors - OR, it was her party leftovers.

Someone who REALLY wants to help as many people as possible will not imbue their charitable efforts with a veneer of thinly-veiled superiority.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that anyone is sneering at you. If you donated your hard-earned cash or otherwise gave of your valuable time or your labour to help the homeless this Christmas, then you are to be applauded for that. The value of charitable giving is somewhat relative and those who can afford to give more should probably do more. I know a lot of ordinary people who have done a lot of good stuff for various homeless charities this year, both financially and practically. Their heartfelt gestures are far more meaningful than a multi-millionairess sending gourmet meals to feed a very modest number of people.”

So in fact you don't have any evidence to support your leftovers theory, and I notice you deliberately disregard the actual evidence that they have provided meals in previous years.

Presumably in your world, you would sooner 100 people go hungry, than the Kardashians receive what you personally deem unfair positive publicity for feeding them.
blueblade
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“What is wrong with that? Everyone has their own personal taste.

Are they Caucasian? as looked these people up and they look like they are mixed race.”

Originally Posted by dee123:
“That's the problem.”

Why is that a problem?
Doctor_Wibble
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Why is that a problem?”

Good question, are they meant to be orange? Or should we not judge people by UK celebrity standards?
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“So in fact you don't have any evidence to support your leftovers theory, and I notice you deliberately disregard the actual evidence that they have provided meals in previous years.

Presumably in your world, you would sooner 100 people go hungry, than the Kardashians receive what you personally deem unfair positive publicity for feeding them.”

It's not MY theory. I have access to the same sources of information as you do (or that anyone else does), so please stop attributing the source of the information to me. One of the sources I read cited it as leftovers, so in the absence of anything to the contrary being identified, that means that it is as credible a source as any, at present.

Do not "presume" to know anything about me or make spurious comments about my feelings about charitable giving. You know nothing about my views on homelessness or hunger - and nor do you know anything about contributions I choose to make for the benefit of others less fortunate than myself. I certainly don't need lessons from the Kardashian clan in doing decent things for people in need.

Why would the Kardashians need any more publicity anyway. I think they derive plenty of that already, don't you? It's actually not that difficult to carry out worthy deeds without publicity and there are endless ways to quietly help others which attract no personal attention whatsoever, if that is one's preference.
blueblade
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“It's not MY theory. I have access to the same sources of information as you do (or that anyone else does), so please stop attributing the source of the information to me. One of the sources I read cited it as leftovers, so in the absence of anything to the contrary being identified, that means that it is as credible a source as any, at present.”

Well I only heard it from you, and like Truly True, haven't read it anywhere else. So I logically assumed that you had access to a link you could post, which you don't seem to have, or alternatively, that you had just made it up.

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“Do not "presume" to know anything about me or make spurious comments about my feelings about charitable giving. You know nothing about my views on homelessness or hunger - and nor do you know anything about contributions I choose to make for the benefit of others less fortunate than myself. I certainly don't need lessons from the Kardashian clan in doing decent things for people in need. ”

OK then, if you're a bit sensitive on that, let me re-phrase it into a direct question: would you sooner 100 people go hungry, than the Kardashians receive what you personally deem unfair positive publicity for feeding them.

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“Why would the Kardashians need any more publicity anyway. I think they derive plenty of that already, don't you? It's actually not that difficult to carry out worthy deeds without publicity and there are endless ways to quietly help others which attract no personal attention whatsoever, if that is one's preference.”

I don't know and I don't care. I'm just happy that 100 additional mouths have been fed. Free food is free food, whatever the motive for its donation, and whether gourmet prepared or otherwise.
bollywood
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Well I only heard it from you, and like Truly True, haven't read it anywhere else. So I logically assumed that you had access to a link you could post, which you don't seem to have, or alternatively, that you had just made it up.



OK then, if you're a bit sensitive on that, let me re-phrase it into a direct question: would you sooner 100 people go hungry, than the Kardashians receive what you personally deem unfair positive publicity for feeding them.



I don't know and I don't care. I'm just happy that 100 additional mouths have been fed. Free food is free food, whatever the motive for its donation, and whether gourmet prepared or otherwise.”

I don't think anyone is saying that Skid Row shouldn't have had the meals.

They're laughing at the usual Kardashian gaucheness. (Or at least I'm amused).

They sued someone for leaking Kim's engagement, and the person offered to donate money to charity as a settlement, but they wanted the money for themselves.
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Well I only heard it from you, and like Truly True, haven't read it anywhere else. So I logically assumed that you had access to a link you could post, which you don't seem to have, or alternatively, that you had just made it up.



OK then, if you're a bit sensitive on that, let me re-phrase it into a direct question: would you sooner 100 people go hungry, than the Kardashians receive what you personally deem unfair positive publicity for feeding them.



I don't know and I don't care. I'm just happy that 100 additional mouths have been fed. Free food is free food, whatever the motive for its donation, and whether gourmet prepared or otherwise.”

No, I'm not in the habit of making things up. Like I say, you are as capable as I am of accessing sources of information online. They may or not have been surplus leftovers from her party. One is just as likely as the other, given that she had a well publicised party the night before. But just so you are not in any doubt, I repeat that I am not the source of that "theory". I simply reported what I read - which is that it was possibly her party leftovers.

I'm not sensitive about anything but nor will I be baited by you. I have never said that there was anything wrong with the Kardashian family giving 100 meals to the homeless but is there a particular reason why you think that we should be specifically congratulating or praising them for their efforts when we probably all know many other people who have done just as good things (and better)?

I'm very pleased with the efforts my family and I made this festive season with regards to doing things to try to benefit others. I'd even go so far as to say we all found it extremely liberating to opt out of the nonsensical business of giving and receiving things that none of us actually needed or wanted and to donate to our chosen charities instead. That is not to say that we cannot do more in future and I think this is likely to continue to be our approach to Christmas in years to come. It was what we wanted to do as a family but we did not do it in order to get a slap on the back. If we, an ordinary family like countless others can do something worthwhile for others without publicity, then why does a phenomenally wealthy and attention-hungry family like the Kardashians have to be applauded for it?

A couple of friends of mine slept out overnight before Christmas in order to raise awareness and raise funds for a homeless village to be set up here in Edinburgh. They raised over £6000 between them, doubling their original target. That was a really amazing thing to do and I admire them both greatly for it.

Another friend of mine volunteered for Crisis at Christmas and worked all day on both the 25th and 26th December, serving meals at a refuge. I happen to feel that his gesture was far more meaningful in the great scheme of things, given that he is just an ordinary guy giving up his own time with his own family and not a multi-millionairess, handing over a trifling sum of money which will never be missed.

So, no I would obviously NOT prefer that 100 people would instead go hungry, as per your ludicrous assertion but I am more naturally inclined to acknowledge and admire people whose efforts and contributions are inversely proportionate to their available resources. I do hope that clears matters up for you.
zx50
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by dee123:
“Nothing, but when you pander to a particular group just for $$$$$$ it's pathetic.”

Please explain to me why dating with only African American, which they haven't anyway, men would boost their fortunes.
blueblade
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“No, I'm not in the habit of making things up. Like I say, you are as capable as I am of accessing sources of information online. They may or not have been surplus leftovers from her party. One is just as likely as the other, given that she had a well publicised party the night before. But just so you are not in any doubt, I repeat that I am not the source of that "theory". I simply reported what I read - which is that it was possibly her party leftovers.”

OK, but you were the one with the assertion about leftovers, so in the absence of supporting evidence from you, I'll run with the google search

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“I'm not sensitive about anything but nor will I be baited by you. I have never said that there was anything wrong with the Kardashian family giving 100 meals to the homeless but is there a particular reason why you think that we should be specifically congratulating or praising them for their efforts when we probably all know many other people who have done just as good things (and better)?”

No need to congratulate nor grind them into the dust. At the end of the day, whatever the motives, it was still a charitable act. As for baiting, I was simply asking you a direct question.

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“So, no I would obviously NOT prefer that 100 people would instead go hungry”

Thank you for the clarification.

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“as per your ludicrous assertion”

Given some of your comments, there was nothing ludicrous about the assertion, as you seemed far more spiteful towards them for their actions, than pleased for the 100 who got a free meal. Far more.

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“but I am more naturally inclined to acknowledge and admire people whose efforts and contributions are inversely proportionate to their available resources. I do hope that clears matters up for you. ”

So am I, but I don't go around bitching about wealthy celebrities who do a bit, but "could do more". At the end of the day, it's their call. Most of them, as well as most ordinary people do sod all.

I do hope that clears matters up for you as well.
Lucy_James
02-01-2017
I kind of admire the work/family ethic (dont laugh) theyre all rich enough to never work another day in their life. Kylie at 20 is woth like 10m already, so why do they? cos theyre fame junkies and want the limelight. They stick together as well, but the meals thing i read they had a chef prepare and deliver them specifically, wasn't from any "afters" and cant find anything saying it was.
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“OK, but you were the one with the assertion about leftovers, so in the absence of supporting evidence from you, I'll run with the google search



No need to congratulate nor grind them into the dust. At the end of the day, whatever the motives, it was still a charitable act. As for baiting, I was simply asking you a direct question.



Thank you for the clarification.



Given some of your comments, there was nothing ludicrous about the assertion, as you seemed far more spiteful towards them for their actions, than pleased for the 100 who got a free meal. Far more.



So am I, but I don't go around bitching about wealthy celebrities who do a bit, but "could do more". At the end of the day, it's their call. Most of them, as well as most ordinary people do sod all.

I do hope that clears matters up for you as well.”

I don't actually need anything cleared up. I am perfectly content with my position on the matter.

It just happens to be my opinion on them and the way they operate, whether you choose to dismiss it as "bitching" or not. Unless there has been a change of rules since last read them, offering opinions is still permissible on this forum, I believe.

Now, I don't expect you to share my views but equally, given the polarised views which abound on this family and their behaviour, motives and attitudes, I am hardly unique in holding mine. Please respect my rights to maintain my point of view.

I happen to have zero respect for them and whilst I am glad that a modest number of people enjoyed a meal on Christmas day, it does not confer any enhanced status upon the Kardashians in my eyes. They were a bunch of attention-seeking publicity whores before Christmas Day and they are still the same bunch of attention-seeking publicity whores today, as indeed they will be tomorrow and the next day... and the day after that. They reap what they sow and whilst they may have untold amounts of wealth, they do not have widespread respect. No amount of white truffle macaroni cheese is going to change that.
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