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Old 30-12-2016, 21:58
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I'm sick of the whole 'but what about Ian and Jane...they're family' BS excuses he keeps coming out with to justify his hostility to Max. I'd prefer it if he just said that he's jealous and worried that Stacey might cheat on him, because this family spiel is an utter joke. Stacey and Max have been in each others lives for over ten years, they were once family. Why should Stacey put Ian and Jane's feelings above Max's? Yes, one can argue that Ian is technically Stacey's family now by marriage, but (as she rightly said tonight) so is Max, and he has sacrificed and put himself in danger for Stacey a number of times such as when he funded and aided her escape from Walford in 2010. Weasel beale and his sociopath wife, however, wouldn't think twice before throwing Stacey under a bus, or Martin for that matter. In fact, Ian and Jane were and are perfectly content by how Peter would rather be on the other side of the world than anywhere near them. Losing another son, as well as pushing Cindy away to protect their violent, unhinged youngest son and Jane's sociopathic actions has no bearing on Ian it seems.

The Fowlers/Beales (much like the Mitchells) seem to talk a lot about 'fam-i-leee' but none of it actually means anything. It's all just empty phrases.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:05
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I was honestly raging when he said think of ian and jane, the moral compass on the show is doing my head in, not one person has show max any sympathy! jack turning on him for no reason was unbelievable, max would probably have been getting beatings daily in there for what he was charged of, lucy was a young girl that doesn't go down well.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:08
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I understand Martins jealousy, but leave out the Ian & Jane crep. Those two should go down.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:09
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Why is Stacey even speaking to Ian and Jane? That's what I want to know. They framed her friend for murder. Beyond a joke.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:10
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I think he's trying to protect Stacey at heart.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:12
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I can still picture Ian's face sneaking in to see max going down but it was all ok because everyone had to protect bobby he didnt even have the guts to walk into the court room, absolute weasel of a man, and when you look now killing off lucy has proved to be a disaster.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:12
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I was honestly raging when he said think of ian and jane, the moral compass on the show is doing my head in, not one person has show max any sympathy! jack turning on him for no reason was unbelievable, max would probably have been getting beatings daily in there for what he was charged of, lucy was a young girl that doesn't go down well.
I'm beginning to think that maybe he was sexually assaulted as well

The self harming is worrying.

As for Martin I don't blame him worrying and let's face it Stacey has form with Max. But trying to get her around using Ian and Jane was just daft, Stacey owes them nothing. She does owe Martin something, however, and he should just come clean and admit he is unsettled by her closeness to Max. She should be more sensitive to Martin potentially feeling that way instead of pooh poohing him or saying they discussed this before they got married. Yes, they did but maybe another discussion needs to be had.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:14
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Yes. I've thought this since he first entered the show... and let us not forget this is the show that says Ben murdering heather was a mistake, tells us that a woman who's killed two people and kidnapped a baby is a better candidate for looking after her sister's child and has max going round forgiving everyone for screwing him over in unforgivable ways.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:17
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I'm beginning to think that maybe he was sexually assaulted as well

The self harming is worrying.

As for Martin I don't blame him worrying and let's face it Stacey has form with Max. But trying to get her around using Ian and Jane was just daft, Stacey owes them nothing. She does owe Martin something, however, and he should just come clean and admit he is unsettled by her closeness to Max. She should be more sensitive to Martin potentially feeling that way instead of pooh poohing him or saying they discussed this before they got married. Yes, they did but maybe another discussion needs to be had.
Ithink there's every chance of sexual assault sadly, like i said lucy was a young girl, we saw the beating he took when he was on remand.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:18
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I was honestly raging when he said think of ian and jane, the moral compass on the show is doing my head in, not one person has show max any sympathy! jack turning on him for no reason was unbelievable, max would probably have been getting beatings daily in there for what he was charged of, lucy was a young girl that doesn't go down well.
I really feel like Jane's disability is being treated as something that is meant to redeem the character. It doesn't. She's a sociopath who stuffed her ex-stepddaughters dead body in a boot then dumped her in the woods to rot and for a young girl to stumble across the next morning.

Those aren't the actions of a sane individual, but a vindicative, manipulative psycho. And yet we're meant to buy the whole Stacey-Jane bond? I know that Stacey's all caring and maternal now, but she's also [b]fiercely [/B ]loyal, she takes after Kat in that sense. Max has saved Stacey from jumping off a roof and also got her out of the country when police where honing in. He went after Janine when it emerged that she had a voice recording of Stacey's admission of guilt. He let his son's name be dragged through the mud to protect Stacey. I just find it hard to believe that given the above Stacey can listen to the whole 'but Ian and Jane' bs and even spend time with the demonic couple.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:51
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Does Martin know the extent of Ian and Jane's involvement in Max being sent down, or does he think they found out the truth about Bobby when he announced in the Vic that he thought he'd killed his mum like he killed Lucy? I remember Martin running to the Beales with Ian, Kathy and Sharon, but at that point did they reveal the full truth in front of him? I can't remember.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:00
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I understand Martins jealousy, but leave out the Ian & Jane crep. Those two should go down.
Spot on. Agreed.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:15
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Stacey is an enormous slag. It's only natural Martin would be insecure about her and Max. Stacey's knickers will be around her ankles before 2017 is out. You mark my words.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:29
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Thank goodness for this thread. I was starting to think I was the only one that was annoyed with how everyone is treating max! But I am now starting to wonder if max is going to get revenge! He was crying when he shook phil's hand. And then the self harming? Poor max!
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:55
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+1 this thread.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:03
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Martin is turning into a right muppet

The way he has treated shakii, Kush and now this !
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:52
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Why would Stacey even want Max when she is with Martin? No offence to Max but Martin certainly has a lot more going for him in terms of youth, personality and looks. It was believabless nine or ten years ago back when Bradley was in the scene but not so much now.
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Old 31-12-2016, 03:33
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Totally agree OP. Martin is a dreadful character anyway and nowhere near as nice as he seems to think he is.
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Old 31-12-2016, 07:48
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Martin should indeed leave Ian and Jane out of it and state things for what they are. Stacey's compulsive devotion to Max isn't good for their relationship. He is being a muppet but Stacey should show a bit of empathy and not be so dismissive ask the time. Actually talk to Martin before inviting Max to events, remember who stood by her in her recent hard times and never gave up on her. A little give and take, Stacey. A little give and take.
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Old 31-12-2016, 07:52
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The Greater Good stuff is annoying and uncharacteristic whoever it touches. But I can understand his jealousy. It's only a year since he found out Stacey lied about Arthur being his, and presumably he knows how self destructive Max and Stacey can be?
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:36
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Max isn't just a former lover, he's also her ex father-in-law and as Stacey intimated last night he's as good as family. Bradley loved Stacey enough to marry her twice and he'd agreed to take on her baby as his own.

I get where Martin's coming from but Stacey and Max together in that way is old news. He really ought to keep a lid on it until he actually sees something to be threatened by.

And that line about what Ian and Jane have been through was ridiculous. The show has won me over with Jane's disability storyline but I'll never think what the Beales did to Max was okay.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:40
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Martin is naturally worried about Stacey's link with Max so it's understandable he has some concerns. They are old friends but I get where he's coming from. Stacey has made it clear they're just friends only but Max went to prison for a crime he didn't commit so she wants to be supportive. A lot of people have turned their backs on him so I'm pleased she's being there for him as a friend.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:44
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I was honestly raging when he said think of ian and jane,
Same here - "think of Ian & Jane - they've been through enough" was one of the worst utterances ever (yes, they brought it all on themselves, and allowed an innocent man to be convicted of a murder that they knew he did not commit).

the moral compass on the show is doing my head in, not one person has show max any sympathy! jack turning on him for no reason was unbelievable, max would probably have been getting beatings daily in there for what he was charged of, lucy was a young girl that doesn't go down well.
agreed, as someone posted yesterday, it's as if Max had murdered Lucy.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:50
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All this slobbering over Ian, Jane and Phil is getting on my very last nerve. Where's the poor Max or even the poor Lucy. Where's the disgust at what these people have done.

I did have to chuckle when he dropped Phil in it. He doesn't know his wife very well if he thought she was going to keep that secret.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:58
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Yes. I've thought this since he first entered the show... and let us not forget this is the show that says Ben murdering heather was a mistake, tells us that a woman who's killed two people and kidnapped a baby is a better candidate for looking after her sister's child and has max going round forgiving everyone for screwing him over in unforgivable ways.
Ronnie did NOT murder fatboy. However, her charge plus the other 2 would not pyt her top of my list for mother, but i think its ridiculous asking stacey to side with ian and jane who allowed an innocent man to go to jail to protect their son. I understand but of course max would be angry. Its like to ronnie scenario...she took tommy in a moment of grief and suffered psychosis, paid her crime.max has every right to come home and be angry. But just stay away from each other
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