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Old 30-12-2016, 22:03
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I have loads of sympathy and empathy for Lee! Think it's been well acted and he's done a good job with his acting. I've really felt for Lee these last few months wen through all The Queen Vic raid!

But I've seen tweets and stuff on FB, even stuff on here where people are saying he's brought it all in himself.

I wouldn't class this as a problem as its actually an illness. But from what I'm seeing people are just seeing it as his "problems, he's brought on himself".

I don't want this to turn into a bashing thread or anything, but I am genuinely interested in the opinions and logic of people who still think Lee is to blame and don't have any empathy or even sympathy for him.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:04
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I think tonight's episode was the first I generally cared.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:05
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I think tonight's episode was the first I generally cared.
What prompted that change?
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:05
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He's sick. It's a mental illness and has been portrayed extremely well in my opinion. So yes I do feel sorry for him.

(I also don't take my opinions from Twitter and Facebook as it's usually people of a younger demographic complaining that there hasn't been an explosion this week).
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:06
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While I do empathize with his mental health problems, I still do not like him as a character.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:06
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Anybody who condemns people with a Mental Health issue need to take a long hard look at themselves.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:07
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What prompted that change?
I think the episode was written well the way how Lee was speaking and you saw all the other families on the Square having fun. I guess it made me realise better what Lee was going through when before at times it felt ridiculous.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:08
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I have loads of sympathy and empathy for Lee! Think it's been well acted and he's done a good job with his acting. I've really felt for Lee these last few months wen through all The Queen Vic raid!

But I've seen tweets and stuff on FB, even stuff on here where people are saying he's brought it all in himself.

I wouldn't class this as a problem as its actually an illness. But from what I'm seeing people are just seeing it as his "problems, he's brought on himself".

I don't want this to turn into a bashing thread or anything, but I am genuinely interested in the opinions and logic of people who still think Lee is to blame and don't have any empathy or even sympathy for him.
I think Lee has made decisions which were wrong headed and mistakes, but these decisions were made through the prism of depression which turns even the strongest of people into desperate ones who behave in a way that is unlike them. I also think it's important to take into account that Lee was in the army for a while, and I think this depression is connected to his transition into civilian life. Studies and intensive research have shown that some people really struggle to adapt on a long term basis. Lee is one of those people. He has ridiculously high expectations of himself and has a tendency to beat himself up about things.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:18
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Tonight was a powerful episode
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:19
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He's sick. It's a mental illness and has been portrayed extremely well in my opinion. So yes I do feel sorry for him.

(I also don't take my opinions from Twitter and Facebook as it's usually people of a younger demographic complaining that there hasn't been an explosion this week).
Actually tbh, young people have been more understanding from what I've seen. It's actually middle aged people I've seen on Twitter/FB telling Lee to "man up" and deal with it and that it's making them "laugh". No explosions or anything have been muttered of. I don't think it's fair how you have stereotyped young people there.

I think Lee has made decisions which were wrong headed and mistakes, but these decisions were made through the prism of depression which turns even the strongest of people into desperate ones who behave in a way that is unlike them. I also think it's important to take into account that Lee was in the army for a while, and I think this depression is connected to his transition into civilian life. Studies and intensive research have shown that some people really struggle to adapt on a long term basis. Lee is one of those people. He has ridiculously high expectations of himself and has a tendency to beat himself up about things.
How brilliantly put together! Very good use of words you've used there! Wish people would see it the same. It's actually so sad and angriring seeing people who find it funny and not coming to terms with the fact Lee is actually suffering with an illness and isn't in the right mental state!
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:12
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I just made the point on another thread about how shocking it is to me that some people have absolutely no problem saying to someone with a mental illness to "get on with it", but they would never dream of saying the same thing to someone suffering from cancer or something similar.

People need to realise that this ignorance about mental health is what causes suicides.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:12
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Tonight was the first time I felt there was something interesting about this, when he said about what men are "supposed" to do. I think it would be interesting to explore given the very old school view EE normally take of masculinity and the fact Lee saddled himself with that absolute harpy of a wife who seems to still think its the 50s.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:12
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I don't like the character so no. I am sympathetic to actual mental health problems though. Luckily for me Lee isn't real so I haven't been manipulated into giving a shit about him.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:19
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Tonight's episode will be a turning point for people, who were maybe a little on the fence with Lee or who think it's all his fault and that's that.

Tonight's episode laid out in full harrowing detail, the extent that Lee is suffering with his depression. In the same way you wouldn't blame someone if they couldn't walk after breaking their leg, you should never blame someone for being unable to cope when they're suffering. Depression is an illness and just because you can't see it, like a bruise, people tend to be very unforgiving. And I hope tonight's episode was an eye opener.

I will admit, prior to his storyline I was somewhat ambivalent toward Lee as a character. However, tonight I was in tears along with him. Heartbreaking and brilliantly done by Danny and the EastEnders team.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:49
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Not long watched tonight's and finally they actually touched on the heart of what it is like to feel depressed and worthless. They got behind the real emotions of it.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:08
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I'm a long-term depressive (40 years, give or take) and that short scene with Max burning his arm hit me harder than anything that's been going on in the Lee storyline. You have to be a shit person to begin with to even consider setting up your family for a home invasion like that, depression or not. Those traits have to be within you anyway, mental illness just brings them out.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:13
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Nope. Jump.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:39
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Are you serious?
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:48
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I totally empathise with Lee and can see how one thing so easily led to another, poor soul.
What gets me is how his almost constantly upbeat family couldn't see his underlying depression; I think Whitney would have, had it not been for the rest of the Carters.
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Old 31-12-2016, 02:28
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I totally empathise with Lee and can see how one thing so easily led to another, poor soul.
What gets me is how his almost constantly upbeat family couldn't see his underlying depression; I think Whitney would have, had it not been for the rest of the Carters.
It's a bit like when Linda was suffering after the rape and not one of her family seemed to notice how she was not her usual self
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