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Old 30-12-2016, 22:06
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What rate would taxes need to be at to get us the services/council homes that we need?

I think it would be best to build new towns with good quality council houses, industrial estates, rail/motorways links, hospitals that have lost their A+E's and Maternity Units need to be re-opened or the ones that have them need to be expanded, we need more spent on care costs, (unless families start doing more on looking after their own elderly family members).

We also need more Police, Prison Officers, Doctors too and more spent increasing rail links/capacity too both rail lines and carriages.

So what would the income tax/NI rates need to be at to get us this? What about other taxes like VAT/Road taxes?
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:33
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Sounds like an invitation for John McDonnell to give a speech.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:42
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Relying on children looking after their parents just isn't a viable option. If the government were planning on going back on their promise to provide cradle to grave care then they should have told our grandparents (and definitely our parents) that so they could have had more children to look after them and spread the load. You can't provide 24 care and go out and work after all.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:42
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What rate would taxes need to be at to get us the services/council homes that we need?

I think it would be best to build new towns with good quality council houses, industrial estates, rail/motorways links, hospitals that have lost their A+E's and Maternity Units need to be re-opened or the ones that have them need to be expanded, we need more spent on care costs, (unless families start doing more on looking after their own elderly family members).

We also need more Police, Prison Officers, Doctors too and more spent increasing rail links/capacity too both rail lines and carriages.

So what would the income tax/NI rates need to be at to get us this? What about other taxes like VAT/Road taxes?
How much extra would you be willing to pay as a proportion of your income for all this?
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:46
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How much extra would you be willing to pay as a proportion of your income for all this?
Our income? No it's your income were planning on taking more of. It's the right thing to do and Brexit means Brexit.
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:56
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This is exactly the sort of thing governments should be encouraging a national conversation about. But no governments have the bottle to talk straight. They prefer to treat us like infants who can't handle challenging facts.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:22
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Our income? No it's your income were planning on taking more of. It's the right thing to do and Brexit means Brexit.
I did imagine the OP might be more keen on others funding these spending plans but thanks for the eccentric reply!
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:31
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I am sure I read once that the "perfect" free health service would cost about 2.5 X the entire Gross National product of a country.

As that is impossible to achieve, there must always be decisions about budgets and what you CAN afford for your people.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:35
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I'd be willing to pay more income tax for better services.

I wish we had a system whereby a party had to set out its exact % of spending on individual departments.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:58
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I'd be willing to pay more income tax for better services.

I wish we had a system whereby a party had to set out its exact % of spending on individual departments.
The problem is budget v's planning.

Just this week my mum had a bad reaction to a change in her meds as she just looked up and lost conscious now she's in her 70's and had to go into A&E but seems like she's looking better now she's at home. My aunts just literally had chemo yesterday only to find her husband in need and had to go to the A&E....there will no way of being able to predict when someone is ill.
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Old 31-12-2016, 02:10
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Close the loopholes and off shore accounts, stop the big companies getting away with tax avoidance and then that should be enough.
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Old 31-12-2016, 10:34
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What rate would taxes need to be at to get us the services/council homes that we need?

I think it would be best to build new towns with good quality council houses, industrial estates, rail/motorways links, hospitals that have lost their A+E's and Maternity Units need to be re-opened or the ones that have them need to be expanded, we need more spent on care costs, (unless families start doing more on looking after their own elderly family members).

We also need more Police, Prison Officers, Doctors too and more spent increasing rail links/capacity too both rail lines and carriages.

So what would the income tax/NI rates need to be at to get us this? What about other taxes like VAT/Road taxes?
IIRC ABBA in the '70's had to pay over 90% tax in Sweden on any earnings.
A lot of other countries at that time had similar punitive tax schemes for high earners,
This led to mass tax avoidance, and then a "brain drain" where talented people bogged off overseas to live and work

40% is about the highest a tax rate can go before the higher earners get disgruntled and start finding ways to pay less. (Don't forget there is also UK National Insurance on top of that)
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Old 31-12-2016, 10:42
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IIRC ABBA in the '70's had to pay over 90% tax in Sweden on any earnings.
A lot of other countries at that time had similar punitive tax schemes for high earners,
This led to mass tax avoidance, and then a "brain drain" where talented people bogged off overseas to live and work

40% is about the highest a tax rate can go before the higher earners get disgruntled and start finding ways to pay less.
(Don't forget there is also UK National Insurance on top of that)
Says who?
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Old 31-12-2016, 10:44
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What rate would taxes need to be at to get us the services/council homes that we need?

I think it would be best to build new towns with good quality council houses, industrial estates, rail/motorways links, hospitals that have lost their A+E's and Maternity Units need to be re-opened or the ones that have them need to be expanded, we need more spent on care costs, (unless families start doing more on looking after their own elderly family members).

We also need more Police, Prison Officers, Doctors too and more spent increasing rail links/capacity too both rail lines and carriages.

So what would the income tax/NI rates need to be at to get us this? What about other taxes like VAT/Road taxes?

We don't need more towns, we just need to look at how to use the ones we have now better without destroying our history and stop keep cluttering up the south east because it close to breaking point.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:02
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We don't need more towns, we just need to look at how to use the ones we have now better without destroying our history and stop keep cluttering up the south east because it close to breaking point.
No we do new towns unless existing towns can be increased with extra houses with extra infrastructure including sewage/drainage capacity, road widening and a lot of the time that isn't possible nor is the will there.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:06
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No one has really answered the question with specifics.

The scandanavian countries apparantly pay around 50%-53% in taxes but I don't know if that's their equivelant of income/NI taxes or all taxes combined. With all our taxes combined we must be paying quite close to 50% already if not more.

I think the Government do need to reverse a lot of the corporation tax cuts as companuies are not re-investing it much, nor increasing wages, they need to look at what income level people should earn before they start paying a higher rate on the normal rate of tax, maybe people on earnings over 24 thousand should be paying at least 22-23p income tax again and maybe VAT needs to go up again along with borrowing to invest for houses which wil pay for themselves over time but can be steadily paid back in the mean time too.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:16
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Says the people who would have to pay the tax.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:26
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Fewer resources go into collecting tax than into spotting benefit fraud. Yet benefit fraud is not as prevalent as tax avoidance/evasion (I forget which one is the illegal one)

So there are a few things that I would do differently

1- put more people into tax. This can be achieved by a couple of ways, firstly by lowering the tax threshold a bit, not by a huge amount and secondly by upping the NMW so people earn more and are put into tax. We shouldnt let employers get away with paying low wages which are then topped up by the state/reducing the tax take. Thirdly, lower WTC by a small percentage

2-put more resources and extreme tightening of tax collection and I dont mean just for mr plumber or ms hairdresser down the street, Im talking about large companies and coorporations and private individuals

3- we desperately need rent controls and more social/council housing built because the amount of money spent on housing benefit/homelessness is astronomical, this would lower the burden on local councils, leaving a bigger budget to pay for social care

4- there is nothing wrong with raising tax by a percentage or two.

5 - I personally see nothing wrong with a fat or sugar tax either as a way to bring in cash

6- Many people will disagree with this, but I believe we should legalise some drugs and make them purchasable from government sanctioned outlets and these should also be taxed like cigarettes are, this would reduce the burden on health/police/social services by cutting crime but also up the tax take
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:31
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Before deciding the tax, we need to know about acceptable levels of service and what they would cost.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:42
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Would it be better if we all had out own medical insurance? Should we stop the state providing benefits?
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:44
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No one has really answered the question with specifics.

The scandanavian countries apparantly pay around 50%-53% in taxes but I don't know if that's their equivelant of income/NI taxes or all taxes combined. With all our taxes combined we must be paying quite close to 50% already if not more.

I think the Government do need to reverse a lot of the corporation tax cuts as companuies are not re-investing it much, nor increasing wages, they need to look at what income level people should earn before they start paying a higher rate on the normal rate of tax, maybe people on earnings over 24 thousand should be paying at least 22-23p income tax again and maybe VAT needs to go up again along with borrowing to invest for houses which wil pay for themselves over time but can be steadily paid back in the mean time too.
BiB how is 50% a credible figure?

Most Corporation tax that is paid is only 20% on profits not turnover
VAT is 20% on most items not food and only 5% on fuel
Highest income tax is 45% and that only falls on those in excess of £150,00

So if tax is never really levied above 45% it can't average above 45%

Then there are the millions who pay virtually no income tax, NI

I'd be surprised if tax averages out at 30% per captia
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:54
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BiB how is 50% a credible figure?

Most Corporation tax that is paid is only 20% on profits not turnover
VAT is 20% on most items not food and only 5% on fuel
Highest income tax is 45% and that only falls on those in excess of £150,00

So if tax is never really levied above 45% it can't average above 45%

Then there are the millions who pay virtually no income tax, NI

I'd be surprised if tax averages out at 30% per captia
Total tax revenue is approx £720Bn (approx £11k per person)
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:06
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no need to raise tax just halve the forgien aid budget
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:10
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no need to raise tax just halve the forgien aid budget
That would only raise £6bn and the NHS could spend that in a couple of weeks.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:16
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Close the loopholes and off shore accounts, stop the big companies getting away with tax avoidance and then that should be enough.
It would be, but you will never see a Tory government do that, of course (not that Labour would do much in this regard either).

I'd be happy to pay more in tax if I had a say in where that tax goes. But, seeing as I'd primarily want it to go to the NHS, an organisation which the Tories don't give a toss about, happy for appalling underfunding (especially in primary healthcare) to continue, I'm sure they'd divert that extra money to something else, the evil feckers that they are...
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