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Old 30-12-2016, 22:50
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He has completely disregarded US intelligence and seems unnaturally friendly with Russia. I wouldn't be surprised if he faced impeachment at some stage during his presidency, but will he get full disclosure from the intelligence community?
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Old 30-12-2016, 22:54
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I wouldn't be surprised if he uses a terrorist attack to declare martial law once he realises that he can't just make himself President for life and pass the title on to one of his children.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:08
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I wouldn't be surprised if he uses a terrorist attack to declare martial law once he realises that he can't just make himself President for life and pass the title on to one of his children.
Fortunately, the US Constitution prohibits such action.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:26
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He's an International Security Risk more like
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:37
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What exactly or specifically is wrong with being friendly with Russia??

Shouldn't we want all world leaders in an ideal world to get one peacefully??

I get that there is a bit of a hang over effect for some people of a certain age about the cold war, and all of that malarkey, but why carry that over to this day and age?
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:11
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Fortunately, the US Constitution prohibits such action.
Yes, and there has not been a constitutional amendment passed by two thirds of the US Congress and two theirds of the fifty state legislatures of any real importance in fifty years.
(Two minor amendments on clarifying voting age rights and congressional pay were the passed since).

But what does scare me is the Orange fella's total lack of intellectual curiousty. That can cost hundreds of thousands of lives as the Bush discretionary wars proved.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:22
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Obama is moving closer and closer towards war with Russia.

There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that had Hillary Clinton won, she would have continued the leftie aggressiveness and the US and Russia would have gone to war.

I call that a security risk.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:25
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Obama is moving closer and closer towards war with Russia.

There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that had Hillary Clinton won, the US and Russia would have gone to war with each other - potentially, a nuclear war.

I would call that a greater threat to national security.
How can he move closer to having a war with Russia when hid wife and kids are packing their stuff into boxes, and have already made plans in terms of moving out?

He won't start a war because he has just over 20 days left in office, not nearly enough time to start a war.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:59
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He clearly views China as the greater threat
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:07
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Obama is moving closer and closer towards war with Russia.

There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that had Hillary Clinton won, she would have continued the leftie aggressiveness and the US and Russia would have gone to war.

I call that a security risk.
A far fetched assessment,

Obama has been attacked for 8 years by Republicans, for being too passive in his foreign policy. He's actually had his hands tied in the Middle East by the locals, and, Congress at home. He's done a pretty good job containing Rusina aggression elsewhere.

Trump just sees a fellow fascist in Putin, with similar psychological problems, leading to a similar view of leadership , and disrespect for established norms of behaviour. Like Hitler and Stalin, there's a superficial admiration for each other there. But it will end in worsening relations - because Trump wil - either - fail to deter Putin , and then overreact when the world points out he's been a credulous fool, or clash with Russia over some other issue - like Iran or China.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:20
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He clearly views China as the greater threat
Russia poses a far larger miliary threat and is more likely to go around invading its neighbours, if China isn't provoked over Taiwan. Trump understands nothing about the militray and strategy, though, so he may think of China as an economic threat, and thats all that registers with him, when he thinks of threat.

Thats silly, as there's nothing he can do about China economically. Protectionism and trade wars will just destroy the US economy, in any economic war with China, and China will move in more on US markets, the more trade treaties he tears up. And China's population and size is such that its inevitable that it will eventually replace the Us, as the world's biggest economy. The trick is to get China so involved in the world economy, now, that its too entangled to use its economic and military power, in destructive ways, when it is number one.

Or its just an another example of Trump being a racist - he may dislike the Chinese, for the same reason he doesn't like Mexicans, Moslems, or Black Americans.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:34
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He has completely disregarded US intelligence and seems unnaturally friendly with Russia. I wouldn't be surprised if he faced impeachment at some stage during his presidency, but will he get full disclosure from the intelligence community?
If you know nothing, can't read , and can't relate what you are told to anything , or indeed remember the detail, intelligence briefings are going to be downright embarrassing for you. You either ask the simple question, over and over, and look thick, or you just nod. And as you have no intellectual curiosity, or no existing data base, and can't build one up, there's no way you can note changes in the security assessment , or spot, and question the reason for, a changing assessment.

Thats a credible reason why he has refused briefings, and says that they are all the same - they will sound the same noise - when you have no idea whats been related to you, or whats evolving, or new.

There's 3 options . Either Trump will continue to not do the job- because he can't - and things will just freeze up. . Or worse , he will revert to the mode he went to when he was trying to win over the uneducated voters , and deny there's any such thing as experts , and declare he knows everything. That way lies cataclysm . Or, Ivanka is going to end up as defacto President , taking the briefings , and showing him where to sign.
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Old 31-12-2016, 02:18
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He's a risk to all Twitter users, that's for sure. Imagine reading his 3am morning tweets;

"Felt hungry, Raided the fridge. Feel better now, Back to bed!"
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Old 31-12-2016, 02:34
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Russia poses a far larger miliary threat and is more likely to go around invading its neighbours, if China isn't provoked over Taiwan. Trump understands nothing about the militray and strategy, though, so he may think of China as an economic threat, and thats all that registers with him, when he thinks of threat.

Thats silly, as there's nothing he can do about China economically. Protectionism and trade wars will just destroy the US economy, in any economic war with China, and China will move in more on US markets, the more trade treaties he tears up. And China's population and size is such that its inevitable that it will eventually replace the Us, as the world's biggest economy. The trick is to get China so involved in the world economy, now, that its too entangled to use its economic and military power, in destructive ways, when it is number one.

Or its just an another example of Trump being a racist - he may dislike the Chinese, for the same reason he doesn't like Mexicans, Moslems, or Black Americans.
Russia isn't capable of launching a full scale invasion of western europe, we have been over this so many times i will yet again remind you that they do not have the logistics to supply such an invasion.

You do know that the US government actually employs people that know about warfare, the president isn't required to run the entire country including its military

The scale of china's rearmament is nothing short of staggering, not to mention how fast they have caught up with western technology (partly from buying top shelf german and uk parts and no doubt industrial spying).

if you could elaborate on your last point that would be great, trump has stated several times that he admires china
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Old 31-12-2016, 03:06
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The Obama administration believe Putin gave the go ahead to hack the DNC.
There is no proof. John Podesta wasn't 'hacked' - He fell for a simple email phishing scam that could have come from anywhere. Not exactly the most sophisticated way to get information to influence the outcome of the election! If only he'd been educated by an IT guy beforehand, that would have foiled Russia's dastardly plot!

Trumps posts yesterday have no doubt made a few liberals heads explode! But both him and Putin are being Pragmatic about this.

"Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!"

Trump called Putin smart because that's the truth.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought that would be the sensible response from Putin after the expulsions were announced?
Very naive of Obama and has made him look completely stupid.

The second twitter by Trump is also quite true.

"Russians are playing @CNN and @NBCNews for such fools - funny to watch, they don't have a clue! @FoxNews totally gets it!"

The reason he posted this is because, for example CNN are still posting/discussing stuff like this:

"Former CIA operative Bob Baer told CNN he believed Putin was playing a covert game intended to weaken the incoming US President and his country.
"I've never seen the Russians ever try to manipulate American politics like this, and so successfully, because not expelling the American diplomats right now for me is an attempt to delegitimize the new president, Trump," Baer said."

Trump sees this media propaganda exactly for what it is.

Maybe the US and Russia can discuss things sensibly after Trump is president and (hopefully) start building a more trusting relationship.
It won't be plain sailing, but would have been a hell of a lot worse if Clinton had got in.

Saying that, I do believe that Trump finds it amusing to wind the liberal left up on his Twitter, something that he may have to knock on the head in a few weeks, who knows!
I personally hope that he carries on speaking his mind.

We've got some interesting times coming up.
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Old 31-12-2016, 03:22
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The Obama administration believe Putin gave the go ahead to hack the DNC.
There is no proof. John Podesta wasn't 'hacked' - He fell for a simple email phishing scam that could have come from anywhere. Not exactly the most sophisticated way to get information to influence the outcome of the election! If only he'd been educated by an IT guy beforehand, that would have foiled Russia's dastardly plot!

Trumps posts yesterday have no doubt made a few liberals heads explode! But both him and Putin are being Pragmatic about this.

"Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!"

Trump called Putin smart because that's the truth.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought that would be the sensible response from Putin after the expulsions were announced?
Very naive of Obama and has made him look completely stupid.

The second twitter by Trump is also quite true.

"Russians are playing @CNN and @NBCNews for such fools - funny to watch, they don't have a clue! @FoxNews totally gets it!"

The reason he posted this is because, for example CNN are still posting/discussing stuff like this:

"Former CIA operative Bob Baer told CNN he believed Putin was playing a covert game intended to weaken the incoming US President and his country.
"I've never seen the Russians ever try to manipulate American politics like this, and so successfully, because not expelling the American diplomats right now for me is an attempt to delegitimize the new president, Trump," Baer said."

Trump sees this media propaganda exactly for what it is.

Maybe the US and Russia can discuss things sensibly after Trump is president and (hopefully) start building a more trusting relationship.
It won't be plain sailing, but would have been a hell of a lot worse if Clinton had got in.

Saying that, I do believe that Trump finds it amusing to wind the liberal left up on his Twitter, something that he may have to knock on the head in a few weeks, who knows!
I personally hope that he carries on speaking his mind.

We've got some interesting times coming up.
I'm not sure 'interesting' is the word I'd use.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:09
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The Obama administration believe Putin gave the go ahead to hack the DNC.
There is no proof.
The FBI certainly think there is proof. I think I'll take their word for it over yours.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:25
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I'm not sure 'interesting' is the word I'd use.
Loathsome as I find Trump and his neo-fascist populism, it looks to me that the outgoing administration is busy sowing political IEDs, the Middle East and especially the upsurge in Iranian influence looks troublesome.

Trump needs to step up - governing by random tweet chills the blood.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:33
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I agree with Trump on Syria and Russia. It has been Obama's biggest foreign policy blunder.


Unfortunately Trump policies on ripping up the deal with Iran, supporting the building of Israeli settlements in occupied land and endorsing torture is going to cause even more havoc in the world.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:39
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He clearly views China as the greater threat
U.S. debt to China is $1.115 trillion, I'd say it's a threat, but not one he can do a great deal about especially when you observe how many companies have direct/indirect business interests in China.
Russia on the other hand is a threat he can do something about without major financial impacts, plus the Russians were dumb enough to get found out.
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Old 31-12-2016, 11:20
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Fortunately, the US Constitution prohibits such action.
There's always a way, he just needs a 'new Pearl Harbour' event to get it rolling though obviously he'll have to make it more impressive than Building Seven, and then large areas can be declared contaminated by chemtrail fallout and they can herd everybody into those FEMA camps that we read about on teh interwebs.

And something about HAARP but I can't remember offhand if that was to do with radiation or radiators, never mind what specific type. Up through the atmosphere, up where the air is 'not full of clouds', something like that anyway.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:15
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Obama is moving closer and closer towards war with Russia.

There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that had Hillary Clinton won, she would have continued the leftie aggressiveness and the US and Russia would have gone to war.

I call that a security risk.
Agreed. As much as I dislike the bloke, I think he is the safer option. Building ties with Russia is only a +ve thing IMO.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:27
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There's always a way, he just needs a 'new Pearl Harbour' event to get it rolling though obviously he'll have to make it more impressive than Building Seven, and then large areas can be declared contaminated by chemtrail fallout and they can herd everybody into those FEMA camps that we read about on teh interwebs.

And something about HAARP but I can't remember offhand if that was to do with radiation or radiators, never mind what specific type. Up through the atmosphere, up where the air is 'not full of clouds', something like that anyway.
Even if he gained consent to do act from the Congress, it is unlikely that he would gain enough consent to change the Constitution.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:29
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Agreed. As much as I dislike the bloke, I think he is the safer option. Building ties with Russia is only a +ve thing IMO.
If you think Russia is to be trusted you are deluded.

The state arranged for a guy to drink a cup of tea filled with polonium which puts 1000s more at risk.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:52
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If you think Russia is to be trusted you are deluded.

The state arranged for a guy to drink a cup of tea filled with polonium which puts 1000s more at risk.
I didn't say trusted, but I'd rather not go to war with Russia, hence why I think building relations is a good thing. Russia is positively angelic compared to some of our friends like Saudi.
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