Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Good grief.
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“Good grief.
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I know, you've just got to shake your head at some of the stuff said on here!
New Year Honours 2017: Olympic heroes and entertainers recognised
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Originally Posted by *Sparkle*:
“IMO, as soon as they decided to Dame Kelly Homes on her retirement, it set a precedent. They really should have waited a few years, and to be fair, she has done a lot of work to encourage kids into sport anyway, but it's hard to delay giving the award to others after that.”
“IMO, as soon as they decided to Dame Kelly Homes on her retirement, it set a precedent. They really should have waited a few years, and to be fair, she has done a lot of work to encourage kids into sport anyway, but it's hard to delay giving the award to others after that.”
They keep setting these precedents, like the mass awards given out after London 2012 or awarding the entire Ashes or Rugby World Cup winning teams, and make a rod for their own backs by doing so.
Now they seem to feel obliged to hand them out the very moment somebody achieves a random landmark.
So Andy Murray gets a Knighthood for only being around just over ten years. When there has been sports people who have been around for years and have not been awarded a Knighthood yet like
Tony Jacklin
And
Murray Walker
Tony Jacklin
And
Murray Walker
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“Damehood is the female equivalent of Knighthood. It's not a lesser title as you appear to think.”
“Damehood is the female equivalent of Knighthood. It's not a lesser title as you appear to think.”
I'd still rather be a knight, Dame xxxx xxxx would make me sound as though I was about 70 imo.
To be honest, I only really care about the honours for people I've heard of. I don't give a stuff about ordinary people getting honours.
Originally Posted by Malliday:
“These things are worthless these days.
I mean, Naomie Harris gets an OBE? For what? Doing her chosen profession? She's appeared in a few films. And she deserves an honour for that?
Andy Murray is 29. His career is nowhere near finished. Yet they've given him one of the highest honours available. How do they honour him if he goes on to win the next 5 Wimbledon titles? What if he goes on to coach the next British world no.1 tennis player? Why do they feel the irresistible urge to honour him so immediately?
Jessica Ennis has been made a Dame in 2016... after being made a CBE in 2013... having been made an MBE in 2011. Why didn't they just wait until her career was over and honour her appropriately? And, like with Andy Murray and other sporting Knights and Dames, how do they appropriately honour her if she goes on to achieve great things in future?
I just find the whole spectacle so pathetic these days.
It absolutely reeks of the worship of celebrity and the incessant need for those in power and in institutions to be continually slapping each other on the back.
The most depressing thing about it is that, like with so many things in our country, those making the decisions are completely out of touch with how the public feel about their behaviour.
Every man and his dog can see how these titles are being devalued by being handed out like sweets every year and after every major sporting event. Yet they continue to lavish them on more and more people, for increasingly spurious achievements, seemingly completely oblivious to what the public really expect.
They seem to believe that everybody is clamouring for our "sporting heroes" and every actor and media darling under the sun to be endlessly rewarded with accolades, when in reality most people would probably like to see far more discernment in these decisions.
And that's before I even get started on all the honours that the politicians hand out to each other, to their cronies, to donors, and to anybody else who scratches the right back.
Frankly, it's all just so revolting these days.”
“These things are worthless these days.
I mean, Naomie Harris gets an OBE? For what? Doing her chosen profession? She's appeared in a few films. And she deserves an honour for that?
Andy Murray is 29. His career is nowhere near finished. Yet they've given him one of the highest honours available. How do they honour him if he goes on to win the next 5 Wimbledon titles? What if he goes on to coach the next British world no.1 tennis player? Why do they feel the irresistible urge to honour him so immediately?
Jessica Ennis has been made a Dame in 2016... after being made a CBE in 2013... having been made an MBE in 2011. Why didn't they just wait until her career was over and honour her appropriately? And, like with Andy Murray and other sporting Knights and Dames, how do they appropriately honour her if she goes on to achieve great things in future?
I just find the whole spectacle so pathetic these days.
It absolutely reeks of the worship of celebrity and the incessant need for those in power and in institutions to be continually slapping each other on the back.
The most depressing thing about it is that, like with so many things in our country, those making the decisions are completely out of touch with how the public feel about their behaviour.
Every man and his dog can see how these titles are being devalued by being handed out like sweets every year and after every major sporting event. Yet they continue to lavish them on more and more people, for increasingly spurious achievements, seemingly completely oblivious to what the public really expect.
They seem to believe that everybody is clamouring for our "sporting heroes" and every actor and media darling under the sun to be endlessly rewarded with accolades, when in reality most people would probably like to see far more discernment in these decisions.
And that's before I even get started on all the honours that the politicians hand out to each other, to their cronies, to donors, and to anybody else who scratches the right back.
Frankly, it's all just so revolting these days.”
Well said. I actually think these things have always been a load of s****. I don't even know why people see it as a honour to receive something like this. It means nothing so what is so great about it ?
Originally Posted by InMyArms:
“Olympic "heroes"
They run around a track really fast, swim really fast or are rich enough to have been brought up with a dancing horse. The BBC and others don't even use the word "heroes" when discussing doctors and nurses, why is it reserved for Olympians?”
“Olympic "heroes"
They run around a track really fast, swim really fast or are rich enough to have been brought up with a dancing horse. The BBC and others don't even use the word "heroes" when discussing doctors and nurses, why is it reserved for Olympians?”
I hate it when people say that too. It's weird, because they only get called heroes when they appear in the Olympics. What about when they win in other events in their sport ?
Calling them heroes, what a load of nonsense.....there is nothing heroic about what they do.
Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“To be honest, I only really care about the honours for people I've heard of. I don't give a stuff about ordinary people getting honours.”
“To be honest, I only really care about the honours for people I've heard of. I don't give a stuff about ordinary people getting honours.”
Strangely, I'm the reverse - I am pleased for the teachers, the social workers, foster carers, those who work with disability, etc.
I really don't care about all these 'personalities' receiving an OBE (Old Big 'Ed as one comedian once called them) or not. I certainly find it hilarious at FMs getting their knickers in a twist about which sports/arts person did or didn't receive a gong for whatever they did or didn't achieve in their specific arena. The fact that some care so much who got what at which level is rather alarming.
Mrs Public from Dorset who received a gong for caring for disabled children should be the person we are talking about and in whom we should be taking pride.
Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“To be honest, I only really care about the honours for people I've heard of. I don't give a stuff about ordinary people getting honours.”
“To be honest, I only really care about the honours for people I've heard of. I don't give a stuff about ordinary people getting honours.”
Really? I love to hear of folk who have given their time to help others, and until the award, received lttle recognition outside of their personal circle. They're the real diamonds to me.
Originally Posted by francie:
“Really? I love to hear of folk who have given their time to help others, and until the award, received lttle recognition outside of their personal circle. They're the real diamonds to me.”
“Really? I love to hear of folk who have given their time to help others, and until the award, received lttle recognition outside of their personal circle. They're the real diamonds to me.”
Indeed, as I said so much more ineloquently above
I connect with Carer's UK a lot and was pleased to see they received a gong.
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“Arise Sir Raymond Douglas "Ray" Davies.
Very well deserved in my opinion.”
“Arise Sir Raymond Douglas "Ray" Davies.
Very well deserved in my opinion.”
It came up on Facebook something about him. (now it just says their name) I was rather concerned that he'd died.
I'm surprised he hadn't been knighted sooner.
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“Well said. I actually think these things have always been a load of s****. I don't even know why people see it as a honour to receive something like this. It means nothing so what is so great about it ?
I hate it when people say that too. It's weird, because they only get called heroes when they appear in the Olympics. What about when they win in other events in their sport ?
Calling them heroes, what a load of nonsense.....there is nothing heroic about what they do.”
“Well said. I actually think these things have always been a load of s****. I don't even know why people see it as a honour to receive something like this. It means nothing so what is so great about it ?
I hate it when people say that too. It's weird, because they only get called heroes when they appear in the Olympics. What about when they win in other events in their sport ?
Calling them heroes, what a load of nonsense.....there is nothing heroic about what they do.”
Hero is a valid description
"a person who is admired or idealised for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities"
And again, you have made the mistake of thinking that because the awards mean nothing to you, they mean nothing period, when obviously they do.
Given those awards for so called charity work is it beyond the realms of possibility for George Michael to receive a posthumous award for his now revealed generous philanthropy with donations to charities and people. A knighthood perhaps
I'm in the camp that would prefer sportspeople to only be honoured after retirement. But the precedent for it was set years ago and Andy and Mo are arguably the two greatest British athletes of all time so if anyone deserves it it's them.
Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“To be honest, I only really care about the honours for people I've heard of. I don't give a stuff about ordinary people getting honours.”
“To be honest, I only really care about the honours for people I've heard of. I don't give a stuff about ordinary people getting honours.”
Which is funny because Andy Murray was ordinary before he became famous. I remember when he was just a rookie.
Originally Posted by CappySpectrum:
“Which is funny because Andy Murray was ordinary before he became famous.”
“Which is funny because Andy Murray was ordinary before he became famous.”
Yes, and I'm naked underneath my clothes.
Originally Posted by Tiger Rag:
“It came up on Facebook something about him. (now it just says their name) I was rather concerned that he'd died.
I'm surprised he hadn't been knighted sooner.”
“It came up on Facebook something about him. (now it just says their name) I was rather concerned that he'd died.
I'm surprised he hadn't been knighted sooner.”
they'd probably never heard of him, then went to watch his musical in the West End and quite liked it
Originally Posted by CappySpectrum:
“Well, you don't see how silly your post sounds?”
“Well, you don't see how silly your post sounds?”
No, yours is silly.
I'm inclined to feel slightly uncomfortable about the use of the term "hero" anyway.
It's entirely possible for someone to simply be admired and respected for their efforts and achievements in their field of expertise but I don't consider them to be "heroic".
Likewise with the terms "icon" or "legend". They're all just a bit excessive.
It's entirely possible for someone to simply be admired and respected for their efforts and achievements in their field of expertise but I don't consider them to be "heroic".
Likewise with the terms "icon" or "legend". They're all just a bit excessive.
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“Given those awards for so called charity work is it beyond the realms of possibility for George Michael to receive a posthumous award for his now revealed generous philanthropy with donations to charities and people. A knighthood perhaps”
“Given those awards for so called charity work is it beyond the realms of possibility for George Michael to receive a posthumous award for his now revealed generous philanthropy with donations to charities and people. A knighthood perhaps”
It is impossible as a Knighthood is only while alive and lost upon death - hence why Jimmy Savile couldn't be stripped posthumously of his, as he'd lost it the moment he'd died anyway.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Why do you care? It really doesn't matter.
At least Jess Ennis-Hill deserves her honours - unlike some others.”
“Why do you care? It really doesn't matter.
At least Jess Ennis-Hill deserves her honours - unlike some others.”
Very true. Anyone whose bum looks that good in tight knickers definitely deserves an award. 😂
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