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Old 31-12-2016, 12:41
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Clearly the people applying for the passports don't share your opinion.

That might be because a majority of us just voted to leave the EU because they object to our fellow EU citizens living here with us whereas the citizens of other EU member states - many of whom have higher rates of immigration from other EU countries than we do - have expressed no desire to do so. There's an old saying that actions speak louder than words and the referendum result speaks for itself.
Clearly I don't share your opinion either.

May I suggest that you have no idea what those who voted Leave voted Leave for.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:43
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You can't see it?

You don't see Brexit's biggest cheerleader Farage snuggling up to Trump a problem. Trump meanwhile is snuggling up to Putin.

Have a look at Russia's attitudes to blacks/ethnic minorities?LGBT communities.

Look at the rise of the far right across Europe and the US.

You really wonder why people are beginning to feel afraid?

Join the dots.
And what has any of this to do with Miasima declaring that 'typical pro-Brexit' posts on this board leave people feeling unsafe?
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:45
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Obviously this means that Brexit Britain is Nazi Germany 2.0 - sorry for shortcutting like that, I just wanted to save people the bother of having to read through all those tedious 'not quite saying' hints.

And somehow it's all absolutely nothing to do with a load of people suddenly realising that they now have a limited time to take up an offer that might take a while to process.

Which of these two possibilities is more likely? Ooh I don't know, that's a tricky one, maybe there needs to be another 100 threads hinting at the wrong answer and stoking up the fear quotient because that always just works out so well for everybody. The more this is done, the more the extremists think they have 'friends' or that they are having an effect, the more they are likely to do something.

Some quotes? Sounds like what the tabloids do - interview a load of people and pick the ones that best fit the narrative.

So are we done here now?
BIB

I am.

Pathetic. I dread to see the state of these boards if/when A50 is triggered.

Let's just call these threads what they are. Spam.
Spamalot indeed.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:53
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Clearly I don't share your opinion either.

May I suggest that you have no idea what the majority who voted Leave voted Leave for.
You certainly may make such a suggestion, however as many surveys on why people voted the way they did repeatedly highlighted "immigration" as the primary reason why Leave voters voted Leave AND the Leave campaign clearly ran an anti-immigration campaign in the closing weeks of the referendum, I would instead suggest that you "have no idea what the majority who voted Leave voted Leave for".

More to the point though is the fact that the applicants for the passports clearly felt a need for an escape option (in the form of an EU passport) subsequent to the referendum. They clearly did not see the referendum result as a vote for an open, tolerant Britain and their action of applying for a passport clearly demonstrates it.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:58
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You certainly may make such a suggestion, however as many surveys on why people voted the way they did repeatedly highlighted "immigration" as the primary reason why Leave voters voted Leave AND the Leave campaign clearly ran an anti-immigration campaign in the closing weeks of the referendum, I would instead suggest that you "have no idea what the majority who voted Leave voted Leave for".

More to the point though is the fact that the applicants for the passports clearly felt a need for an escape option (in the form of an EU passport) subsequent to the referendum. They clearly did not see the referendum result as a vote for an open, tolerant Britain and their action of applying for a passport clearly demonstrates it.
No I didn't re-read my post in response to Penny Crayon who said they were feeling afraid.

What I said was:-

"Even if this had the outcome you seem to predict that of everyone feeling unsafe and actually being unsafe then I suggest the safest place to be would be Britain rather than mainland Europe so forget the second citizenship."

See I didn't say anyone felt anything. I was responding to another poster's suggestion.

As for the escape route I suggest you re-read the article. Escape route from Turkey maybe but not Britain.

Now I am done on this thread.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:20
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I some how doubt British Jews in London are feeling less secure because of Brexit voters in Sunderland!

The capital where the vast majority live does of course now have an increasing number of people originating from nations where Israel isn't recognised and/or anti semitism is rife.

There must be reasons why anti Semitic attacks are at their highest ever level in the UK - almost exclusively occurring in some of the most pro remain voting areas in the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ish-population
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:54
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No I didn't re-read my post in response to Penny Crayon who said they were feeling afraid.

What I said was:-

"Even if this had the outcome you seem to predict that of everyone feeling unsafe and actually being unsafe then I suggest the safest place to be would be Britain rather than mainland Europe so forget the second citizenship."

See I didn't say anyone felt anything. I was responding to another poster's suggestion.

As for the escape route I suggest you re-read the article. Escape route from Turkey maybe but not Britain.

Now I am done on this thread.
In your suggestion, you are making the assumptions that: a) we are safer than mainland Europe which given the variety of countries concerned is probably true for some and not for others, and, b) that past performance is a guarantee of future performance which sadly is not the case as the history of many countries show.
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Old 31-12-2016, 14:18
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You feel qualified to speak for those who've taken that decision do you? You know better than them how they're feeling and why?

Yes there has been ethnic cleansing in Europe in the past - do you not see the shift in politics in Europe? Do you think there's the same appetite to oppose oppression and discrimination that there was five or ten years ago?
Yes, and for the ancestors of these people it was from Portugal and Spain, something they can now go a little way towards reversing. Read the story before engaging in fabrication.

Swivel eyed loons indeed.
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Old 31-12-2016, 14:37
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Yes, and for the ancestors of these people it was from Portugal and Spain, something they can now go a little way towards reversing. Read the story before engaging in fabrication.

Swivel eyed loons indeed.
I did read the story - I am not fabricating anything.

If you had read the thread in it's entirety you would see that the remark about ethnic cleansing was in response to a post that mentioned it specifically.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:12
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Of course they are lying (or the guardian is).
With the rise of Islamic extremism within the EU and the subsequent increase in attacks and murders of Jews across Europe, only a fool or a liar would make such a claim.
And why would they be lying?
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:21
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uese-passports







BIB - Certain members of the leave campaign have a lot to answer for.
Someone should tell that person, who did not want to give his name, that a religion is not a nationality.

Realise that yourself too.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:29
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To many posts to clap. None of them pro-remain. I blame the Russians.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:32
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Is Brexit so important that people deny anti-Semitism exists, of that people feel threatened by Brexit?

When people are consistently being told go go somewhere else if they don't like it, then why act all mock affronted or hit full denial when people start doing that?
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:35
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Is Brexit so important that people deny anti-Semitism exists, of that people feel threatened by Brexit?

When people are consistently being told go go somewhere else if they don't like it, then why act all mock affronted or hit full denial when people start doing that?
Most people don't live with a view that only sees the extremes of life as if there is nothing in the middle, would be my guess.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:47
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Most people don't live with a view that only sees the extremes of life as if there is nothing in the middle, would be my guess.
If the views of Brexiters on here are a reflection of them in general, then there is no middle ground. It's either shut up or leave.

And here we have people making plans to leave and instead of people reflecting on why they are doing it, they're being called liars on here.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:04
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BIB - Certain members of the leave campaign have a lot to answer for.
No they don't Nobody who voted in the referendum has to answer for how other people feel about how the vote went.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:06
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I some how doubt British Jews in London are feeling less secure because of Brexit voters in Sunderland!
To be fair......the Cartoon playing inside your head is full of doubt about Polish people feeling less secure.
Even after Theresa May phoned the Polish Prime Minister to express her "deep regret" over race-hate attacks since the Brexit vote.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:27
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You certainly may make such a suggestion, however as many surveys on why people voted the way they did repeatedly highlighted "immigration" as the primary reason why Leave voters voted Leave AND the Leave campaign clearly ran an anti-immigration campaign in the closing weeks of the referendum, I would instead suggest that you "have no idea what the majority who voted Leave voted Leave for".
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The primary reason was national sovereignty according to
YouGov final poll before referendum vote
Lord Ashcroft poll after the referendum.
British election study before the vote when the answers are coded up.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9767
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:43
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The primary reason was national sovereignty according to
YouGov final poll before referendum vote
Lord Ashcroft poll after the referendum.
British election study before the vote when the answers are coded up.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9767
To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies 'well they would say that wouldn't they?'

No one likes to appear xenophobic or racist really do they? It's easier to talk about taking back control etc. etc. - dig a bit deeper and it was 'control of our borders' - we don't want anymore Jonny foreigners here thank you very much. The message really was loud and clear wasn't it? Breaking point and all that.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:49
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To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies 'well they would say that wouldn't they?'

No one likes to appear xenophobic or racist really do they? It's easier to talk about taking back control etc. etc. - dig a bit deeper and it was 'control of our borders' - we don't want anymore Jonny foreigners here thank you very much. The message really was loud and clear wasn't it? Breaking point and all that.
I guess the message is loud and clear if its based on your own prejudice assumptions of why people voted leave.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:53
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You certainly may make such a suggestion, however as many surveys on why people voted the way they did repeatedly highlighted "immigration" as the primary reason why Leave voters voted Leave AND the Leave campaign clearly ran an anti-immigration campaign in the closing weeks of the referendum, I would instead suggest that you "have no idea what the majority who voted Leave voted Leave for".
WRONG.

The primary reason was national sovereignty according to
YouGov final poll before referendum vote
Lord Ashcroft poll after the referendum.
British election study before the vote when the answers are coded up.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9767
Thank you Mark_Jones9.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:57
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I guess the message is loud and clear if its based on your own prejudice assumptions of why people voted leave.
Oh FGS!! They did not all vote with one voice. There were a myriad of reasons I'm sure but to deny that immigration was probably the primary reason is deluded.

I'd never heard anyone on here talk about sovereignty before this referendum -I'd heard plenty moaning about immigrants abusing benefits, NHS, taking school places, getting preferential housing etc. etc. Not to mention thread after thread about terrorists/refugees/asylum seekers. This DS politics board over the years is pretty indicative about what peoples major worries/concerns were/are and guess what? It certainly wasn't sovereignty.
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:59
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To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies 'well they would say that wouldn't they?'

No one likes to appear xenophobic or racist really do they? It's easier to talk about taking back control etc. etc. - dig a bit deeper and it was 'control of our borders' - we don't want anymore Jonny foreigners here thank you very much. The message really was loud and clear wasn't it? Breaking point and all that.
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Well that quote sits more easily with you than anyone else to be honest.

No one does like to appear xenophobic or racist but your prejudging irresponsible attitude will tar anyone with any brush will make them appear that way.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:21
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No one does like to appear xenophobic or racist but your prejudging irresponsible attitude will tar anyone with any brush will make them appear that way.
No need for tar brushing.

The BBC 1 programme Question Time goes out on both BBC1 and BBC Radio. For the final 70 or 80 minutes of the 3 hour broadcast, listeners (or viewers) are invited to phone in to discuss all of that evenings questions.
In the last programme of 2016 (8th December), Stephen Nolan abandoned that night's schedule because the switchboard was jammed with callers who wanted to take about casual Racism and xenophobia that has got worse since we voted to Leave.

It's all right here. From 01.47.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b084crps

Wake up luckylegs!
Don't spend your whole life in a Bubble called Denial.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:24
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No need for tar brushing.

Wake up luckylegs!
Don't spend your whole life in a Bubble called Denial.
I would rather not spend it on PR from the BBC though (who brushed peadophiles under the carpet) so I'll pass on that one but thanks anyway.
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