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Old 31-12-2016, 19:17
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Being realistic over pessimism. The Irish government seem to be thinking armageddon on Brexit.

Is it really going to be that bad?
I would say they are concerned over Brexit but certainly not alarmed or think that it will plunge the country into recession (economic forecasts for Ireland are quite okay, even in the event of a hard Brexit).
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:24
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Let's see whether the EU commission can manage to force Irish govnernment to collect corporate taxes from large international companies before demanding a share of the extra cash for its ever growing budget.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:33
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I would say they are concerned over Brexit but certainly not alarmed or think that it will plunge the country into recession (economic forecasts for Ireland are quite okay, even in the event of a hard Brexit).
Well it looks like the people running Ireland don't agree with you.

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/pa...land-1.2916691
The remarks by the Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan in an interview with The Irish Times published today are evidence of a growing nervousness inside the Government about how the Brexit process is going to play out, and the potential consequences for Ireland, North and South.
Bluntly put, Ministers and senior officials are beginning to fear that everything may not turn out to be alright in the end.
The likelihood of a very bad outcome from this process is probably greater now than it was in the immediate aftermath of the vote six months ago. And that represents a significant threat to both parts of Ireland.
Charlie Flanagan gave voice to the growing frustration in the Government that the British have not yet decided what sort of Brexit they will seek to negotiate, and to the growing doubts not just about the will of the British, but about their capacity.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:42
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Being realistic over pessimism. The Irish government seem to be thinking armageddon on Brexit.

Is it really going to be that bad?
In the short term, potentially. In the long term, no, Ireland will readjust as we have before. In the bigger picture I think Brexit puts Ireland at a crossroads, and while that probably doesn't interest British people too much, the psychological effects on the Irish could be very interesting to us. I think Anglo-Irish relations will gradually cease to be of much importance to the Irish.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:49
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In the short term, potentially. In the long term, no, Ireland will readjust as we have before. In the bigger picture I think Brexit puts Ireland at a crossroads, and while that probably doesn't interest British people too much, the psychological effects on the Irish could be very interesting to us. I think Anglo-Irish relations will gradually cease to be of much importance to the Irish.
I would say Anglo-Irish relations will always be important. Geography and Language dictates that but I do understand where you are coming from.

Like yourself, I feel Ireland will rebalance in the med-long term, similar to what will happen to the UK. What will be interesting is the long term situation once the UK is seen as "doing ok" outside of the EU.

Id we left the EU and did ok in EFTA (for arguments sake), would it cause Ireland to rethink the EU and think about doing a UK with a IrelandExit
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:55
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I would say Anglo-Irish relations will always be important. Geography and Language dictates that but I do understand where you are coming from.

Like yourself, I feel Ireland will rebalance in the med-long term, similar to what will happen to the UK. What will be interesting is the long term situation once the UK is seen as "doing ok" outside of the EU.

Id we left the EU and did ok in EFTA (for arguments sake), would it cause Ireland to rethink the EU and think about doing a UK with a IrelandExit
Almost certainly not. That's what I mean when I say Ireland is at a crossroads - when we rebalance in the medium to long term it will be towards Europe and away from the UK. Meanwhile, the demographics of NI are changing to favour the Catholic community, which means they will either vote to join us or they will shape NI in whatever way suits their Irish Catholic identity within the UK. Either way, once that happens Anglo-Irish relations will be politically and economically further down either country's agenda than they've ever been since probably Roman times.
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Old 31-12-2016, 20:42
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I would say Anglo-Irish relations will always be important. Geography and Language dictates that but I do understand where you are coming from.

Like yourself, I feel Ireland will rebalance in the med-long term, similar to what will happen to the UK. What will be interesting is the long term situation once the UK is seen as "doing ok" outside of the EU.

Id we left the EU and did ok in EFTA (for arguments sake), would it cause Ireland to rethink the EU and think about doing a UK with a IrelandExit
Culturally, Ireland has generally been internationalist rather than isolationist - strong historical ties with Spain, France, Italy even before the establishment of the Diaspora. Also, the disastrous half-century from 1922-72 taught us that a small nation can only thrive in close political and trade associations with others. Finally, there's no national myth of superiority, in contrast to how English history is generally taught.
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Old 31-12-2016, 20:43
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Well it looks like the people running Ireland don't agree with you.

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/pa...land-1.2916691
Everything in that report is correct, but there is no talk at all of Ireland being plunged into a recession or a deep recession because of Brexit or even a hard Brexit. Most forecasters think the Irish economy will continue to grow, no matter what happens.
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